Corona Virus

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Well I'm on my way.
I don't know where I'm going.
I'm on my way.
I'm taking my time, but I don't know where.
Goodbye to Rosie, the queen of Corona...

Knew from the first 3 lines it was Me and Uncle Julio down by the schoolyard but never noticed the last lines were in the song lol

[Onions]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Overall, I have applauded Tim Walz for how he has handled things in Minnesota, but one thing that has really pissed me off is his refusal to use the IHME model, which has been ridiculously accurate with what has been happening. Instead, he insists on using his own model made by people at the U of M and then refuses to make the model public knowledge for us all to look at.

The IHME model (which again, has been super accurate) says that Minnesota will peak on April 26th and will have an estimated 442 deaths. The model Walz insists on using has the peak not until June-July with an estimated 6,000-30,000+ deaths, which seems incredibly pessimistic considering Minnesota has had 1,427 positive cases (with 793 no longer needing isolation), only 340 hospitalizations (with 145 hospitalized today) and 64 deaths. There is no way that we hit anywhere close to 6,000 deaths. Hell, we probably won't even sniff 1,000 deaths in the state, but he refuses to admit that his model is junk and incredibly inaccurate.

He is a disaster. The fear mongering has gone to levels no one could have predicted. My dad just flew in from AZ yesterday. Set him up in the heart of lakes country at the cabin for his 2 week quarantine. Sorry Walz.

[seabass97166]

Originally Posted by rman112

I mean, UFC and boxing you've got guy's spit and blood flying everywhere.. Lol.

Yeah but easier to test them pre fight once. Not whole teams and staff constantly, etc

I love sports as much as anyone, trust me...but we have bigger fish to fry.
Students starting school in the fall for starters. I give that priority for resources over sports.

There are no easy answers. The US has handled this about as poorly as you could have so far.
Very ill prepared.

[Onions]

At a hospital in Chicago, a non-randomized sample found that 30-50% of patients tested for COVID-19 have antibodies in their system, suggesting they already had the virus and have potential immunity.

“A phlebotomist working at Roseland Community Hospital said Thursday that 30% to 50% of patients tested for the coronavirus have antibodies while only around 10% to 20% of those tested have the active virus,” Chicago City Wire reported Thursday.

“Sumaya Owaynat, a phlebotomy technician, said she tests between 400 and 600 patients on an average day in the parking lot at Roseland Community Hospital. Drive-thru testing is from 9 a.m. to noon and 1 to 4 p.m. each day. However, the hospital has a limited number of tests they can give per day,” the report detailed. “Owaynat said the number of patients coming through the testing center who appear to have already had coronavirus and gotten over it is far greater than those who currently have the disease.”

“A lot of people have high antibodies, which means they had the coronavirus but they don’t have it anymore, and their bodies built the antibodies,” Owaynat told Chicago City Wire.

[Joan p]

Originally Posted by Onions

He is a disaster. The fear mongering has gone to levels no one could have predicted. My dad just flew in from AZ yesterday. Set him up in the heart of lakes country at the cabin for his 2 week quarantine. Sorry Walz.

Minnesota ranks in the top 1/3 of every metric related to quality of life


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[Hollywood42]

Speak for yourself. Walz's leadership has been great through this

Originally Posted by Onions

He is a disaster. The fear mongering has gone to levels no one could have predicted. My dad just flew in from AZ yesterday. Set him up in the heart of lakes country at the cabin for his 2 week quarantine. Sorry Walz.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by Joan p

Minnesota ranks in the top 1/3 of every metric related to quality of life


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That ranking will drop quickly if he plans to continue playing the part of the grim reaper.

That said, I love MN. Beautiful state.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Speak for yourself. Walz's leadership has been great through this

Like I said, I have applauded Walz through his handling of the entire situation, but have been frustrated with his refusal to use the accurate IHME model in favor of his incredibly pessimistic and unrealistic model that he refuses to release to the public. His projections are so far off, but he keeps saying 6,000-30,000 deaths and a peak of June/July, which is unrealistic. The IHME model (which the CDC suggests using) shows an April 26th peak with 442 deaths in the state. There is no way we peak in June/July and have 6,000+ deaths. He just needs to admit that his model was wrong and had some mis-information and starting using the model that has actually been accurate from the day to day projections.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Speak for yourself. Walz's leadership has been great through this

The reliance on demonstrably incorrect and alarmist models are driving his decisions (and possibly some peer pressure from other leaders). I get that we need to be cautious and more aware of our daily actions, but would it kill these guys to be just a little bit realistic? I understand that there is a fine line to walk in getting people to stop gathering on their own, but governing purely out of fear is a bad look.

I live in ND and the Mayor of Fargo is the same guy as Walz. He told us we are all gonna die and is close to cancelling summer too. Based on "the models". It is quite ridiculous.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Like I said, I have applauded Walz through his handling of the entire situation, but have been frustrated with his refusal to use the accurate IHME model in favor of his incredibly pessimistic and unrealistic model that he refuses to release to the public. His projections are so far off, but he keeps saying 6,000-30,000 deaths and a peak of June/July, which is unrealistic. The IHME model (which the CDC suggests using) shows an April 26th peak with 442 deaths in the state. There is no way we peak in June/July and have 6,000+ deaths. He just needs to admit that his model was wrong and had some mis-information and starting using the model that has actually been accurate from the day to day projections.

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

[ChicoCheese]

I just read a headline that says the U.S. has surpassed Italy in total China Virus deaths.

It should be noted that Italy has a population of 60million, we have a population of 328 million.

Also, people are dying of heart attacks and brain tumors, but of also happen to have the China Virus they count it as a China Virus death.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by daveteach

I will join in on this thread.

I see the problem is that this virus numbers ( deaths, hospitalizations) are heavily concentrated as they would be in the densely populated urban areas. Instead of making tighter restrictions in those areas, governors are using a one size fits all model to use. It seems that you really clamp down on those areas of more concern than the other areas. In our state, we still hear stories of big groups of people being in the streets at night in some of the hardest hits areas ( where crime is always occurring) and the cops are doing nothing to enforce the stay at home orders. So this is continuing the spread throughout those hard hit areas. We had a 20 year old woman killed in a shooting at 2:00 in the morning right when the stay at home orders were made and there were 40 other people out there with her at the time. Where was the enforcement of the restriction?

Some of the governors rules seem like they were brought up without much thought.

As of 5:00 Monday, stores are being required to only allow one way traffic in the aisles of the stores. Does that mean that even if you are going in for one item, that you will have to follow a path throughout every aisle and go through the whole store. Will employees be giving you a ticket for wrong way shopping if you go in the wrong direction in that aisle? What will they do to the "gawker" like the woman I came upon at a Walmart the other day who stood looking across at a shelf for a few minutes ( I waited patiently as I saw a buggy in front of her). After a few minutes, she walked away having not even attempted to get anything from that shelf and the buggy wasn't hers. Will they try and prevent that from clogging the one way aisle. I understand limiting the number of people per square foot but to make the aisles one way is a bit excessive.

I do feel like governors are now trying to outdo the other with their restrictions and some have not well thought out.

My wife and I went to BJs to grocery shop this morning and they had these one way arrows in most of the aisles. They even had signs at eye level at the beginning of the aisle just in case you weren't looking down. Almost no one was following them. At this point, it just seems a waste and a feel good measure by stores so police won't cite them for violating Governor's orders.

And no employees said anything to any customer. I did hear one employee tell a customer to move back in line but that is it. Nothing about the aisle markings being violated constantly.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Why? You do realize it has been pretty accurate overall, right?

I will just use Minnesota as one example.

Three days ago, it projected 9 deaths for us, we had 11. For yesterday, it projected 5, we had 7. Today, it projected 5, we had 7.

In New York, from what I have seen, it has been pretty accurate as well, being off by 10 or less on multiple different days. And, when considering the model Walz has decided to use over the IHME model, the IHME model looks flawless. To predict a peak in June/July when the IHME model shows April is ridiculous. To predict 6000-30000 deaths when the IHME model shows 442 deaths total is ridiculous. Walz is basically saying that Minnesota is going to have a NYC type death rate, which is so far from the truth when we have had 64 total to this point.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

My wife and I went to BJs to grocery shop this morning and they had these one way arrows in most of the aisles. They even had signs at eye level at the beginning of the aisle just in case you weren't looking down. Almost no one was following them. At this point, it just seems a waste and a feel good measure by stores so police won't cite them for violating Governor's orders.

And no employees said anything to any customer. I did hear one employee tell a customer to move back in line but that is it. Nothing about the aisle markings being violated constantly.

Publix has the arrows on the floor, and for the most part people are trying to obey, but it's not entirely practical. People don't shop that way.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by CC_123

Why? You do realize it has been pretty accurate overall, right?

I will just use Minnesota as one example.

Three days ago, it projected 9 deaths for us, we had 11. For yesterday, it projected 5, we had 7. Today, it projected 5, we had 7.

In New York, from what I have seen, it has been pretty accurate as well, being off by 10 or less on multiple different days.

Have you followed their projections along the way? They are like the models that try to predict hurricane paths. Yeah, they're pretty accurate when the storm is an hour away, but their projections five days earlier weren't even close.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by budd2222

I always believed in how you say something. In his post he stated the child rapists were back on the street. Given no proof of it all it does is promote anger, fear and wanting revenge. Posts like his cause people to get killed not because they did anything wrong but they might be that person. People are on edge now why fuel the fire.

Be a big boy and do your own research. Also, you seem to be on edge. Chill out.

TheHeel and I would agree that releasing Level 3 pederasts (oops I mean using tax dollars to put them up in a Holiday Inn) is a very bad idea.

That's all.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Have you followed their projections along the way? They are like the models that try to predict hurricane paths. Yeah, they're pretty accurate when the storm is an hour away, but their projections five days earlier weren't even close.

At least the IHME adjusts their projections daily. Walz won't even release his model because of how ridiculous it is. I will trust what IHME (which is the CDC's suggested model) says over what Walz is saying in terms of amount of deaths considering I can't even look at the model Walz is using. Again, saying 6k-30k deaths when IHME says 442 deaths is a ridiculous gap. Minnesota likely won't even hit 1k deaths, let alone 6k. He is projecting NYC type impact through Minnesota which just isn't realistic.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by CC_123

At least the IHME adjusts their projections daily. Walz won't even release his model because of how ridiculous it is. I will trust what IHME (which is the CDC's suggested model) says over what Walz is saying in terms of amount of deaths considering I can't even look at the model Walz is using. Again, saying 6k-30k deaths when IHME says 442 deaths is a ridiculous gap. Minnesota likely won't even hit 1k deaths, let alone 6k. He is projecting NYC type impact through Minnesota which just isn't realistic.

No, they don't. IMHE is embarrassingly wrong, consistently.

Their model is a farce. Daily reminder, they still predict 369 deaths in North Dakota. (Down from 660 earlier this month and 520 earlier this week).

I'll believe their numbers when I see "30" as the prediction.

[quackhead]

Dr Oz said HCQ is safe.

Trump/Oz 2020

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Knew from the first 3 lines it was Me and Uncle Julio down by the schoolyard but never noticed the last lines were in the song lol

We actually heard that song on the radio while driving out to a (crowded) casino on March 3rd. We were there for a good three hours. I remember singling out that line in conversation on the way to what was essentially our last social outing for the duration. A lot can change in a few weeks...

[DegaBama]

Serious question, does anyone think we need to be at zero cases to go back to normal?

[preakness]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Serious question, does anyone think we need to be at zero cases to go back to normal?

No but I guarantee a huge stink on CNN after first deaths occur after things opened up a bit

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Publix has the arrows on the floor, and for the most part people are trying to obey, but it's not entirely practical. People don't shop that way.

That's because people are used to putting their shopping cart on one side of the aisle and standing next to it on the other side of the aisle for the fully blocked aisle. I just bump those people's carts out the way just to see their face in shock.

Or the other shopper who leaves the cart in the middle of the aisle. Again, bumper carts!

Our Publix had the arrows too. People can't even shop with respect for others without the arrows or a pandemic. It hasn't changed one bit.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Serious question, does anyone think we need to be at zero cases to go back to normal?

Haha, no. If that was the case, we'd all be on quarantine for life

[NeedChapmans]

No playing softball w/ your daughter people. Dad got off easy. (Colorado, LOL)

https://kdvr.com/news/man-arrested-i...al-distancing/