Potential Worth of Soccer Cards as Market Grows

[IndySportsCards]

I just got $20 for a 2019 Mbappe Optic base card. Things are way up on soccer, at least the in demand guys as I could only get $3 for that very same card four months ago. There is a feeding frenzy on top tier and hot prospects (just like Baseball/Basketball IMHO)

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

If $500,000 enters the soccer market in the next 6 months from "prospectors" of other sports card markets, that is $500,000 that collectors have to put towards other players.

You can see this in full force with Ronald Acuna and Juan Soto Topps Update RCs. GaryVee (with over 1 million twitter followers) hyped up the Acuna and Soto cards, and the money that "new" investors spent went to people already in the game, who took that money and moved into guys like Trout, Tatis, Wander Franco, and even Mahomes in the football market.

But all that new money coming into the market cares only about profit....and it will leave the market just as fast when a more profitable investing opportunity arrives.

My hypothesis is that most of this money is coming from compulsive sports gamblers who have no sports to gamble on right now. But as soon as sports leagues start up again, that money will leave just as fast as it came in.

[jjeanius]

Originally Posted by mfw13

But all that new money coming into the market cares only about profit....and it will leave the market just as fast when a more profitable investing opportunity arrives.

My hypothesis is that most of this money is coming from compulsive sports gamblers who have no sports to gamble on right now. But as soon as sports leagues start up again, that money will leave just as fast as it came in.

Or maybe all that new money will lead to more interest in the sport, as these "gamblers" decide to follow the player(s) they are "gambling on". They suddenly discover what so many other people know: Soccer is aweseome. And as their love for soccer continues to grow, they learn more and more about OTHER players, and money starts to trickle down and expand across the entire hobby. Wouldn't that be something!

I'm sure you're right, though - they're all fickle gambling junkies who want nothing more than to cash in on a quick profit and go back to where they came from, leaving a decimated soccer market in their wake.

[pryantexas]

I sold the MBappe prizm silver psa 10 last night via probstein... ended at like $4300

The buyer already canceled the transaction .... Probstein offered to the second highest bidder and they immediately declined

My take is that there are some real clowns manipulating this soccer market

I didn't really have any expectations for the auction though since I bought it for $20 raw and got it graded myself.

I just want to sell the card at this point at whatever "true" market actually is

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

I wasn't going to get into the Messi versus CR7 argument but nope, some ridiculous statements going on here. Both for me are two of the greatest, that is for sure and I collect them both but CR7 for me is the best of the two because of his sheer will to win.

Messi is a choker. Pure and simple.

You might not like it but it's a fact. Its why the guy can't make a PK to save his life. CR7 is the ultimate big game performer. His drive to win and be the best is the like of Ali, Jordan, Gretzky. Messi does not have the drive to put his team on his back and say l'm going to win this. CR7 does.

Now you can point to different elements of their game, I think everyone knows the strengths and weaknesses of each and ultimately it comes down to drive to win and CR7 is easily the greatest at that and that is why he has 5 CL titles.

Go look at Messi's stats in KO stages. Dismal. He hasn't show up to play in the CL KO stages since 2011 and his WC? come on. On the other side CR7 is a monster in the CL KO stage and I will give you he did have only 1 good tournament and that was the 2016 Euro but if you want to talk about who you want to have on your team to win Championships, its CR7 all day.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by pryantexas

I sold the MBappe prizm silver psa 10 last night via probstein... ended at like $4300

The buyer already canceled the transaction .... Probstein offered to the second highest bidder and they immediately declined

My take is that there are some real clowns manipulating this soccer market

I didn't really have any expectations for the auction though since I bought it for $20 raw and got it graded myself.

I just want to sell the card at this point at whatever "true" market actually is

Thank you for posting this as it's vital information for the hobby. It's a real shame what they did with that auction as I think there would be enough genuine interest to get a really nice price, a lot of the serious bidders would have been put off by the early shill bids. It'll be interesting to see how many other new high sales actually go through.

[pryantexas]

Originally Posted by fadster

Thank you for posting this as it's vital information for the hobby. It's a real shame what they did with that auction as I think there would be enough genuine interest to get a really nice price, a lot of the serious bidders would have been put off by the early shill bids. It'll be interesting to see how many other new high sales actually go through.

Apparently second highest bidder hasnt formally declined yet

But considering there is a BIN sitting on ebay at $3999 I bet my auction was someone who is invested in MBappe trying to get some of the high end BINs hit

Real trash behavior

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by IndySportsCards

I just got $20 for a 2019 Mbappe Optic base card. Things are way up on soccer, at least the in demand guys as I could only get $3 for that very same card four months ago. There is a feeding frenzy on top tier and hot prospects (just like Baseball/Basketball IMHO)

LOVE IT!

i picked some up lots at 3/$1 a few months ago

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by mfw13

But all that new money coming into the market cares only about profit....and it will leave the market just as fast when a more profitable investing opportunity arrives.

My hypothesis is that most of this money is coming from compulsive sports gamblers who have no sports to gamble on right now. But as soon as sports leagues start up again, that money will leave just as fast as it came in.

You are just wrong. I don’t know why you continue to deny what is right in front of your face. If you are active here and on IG, you can see who is buying this stuff. Guys with extremely deep pockets and unbelievably impressive collections. This is the new reality for sports cards. The hobby was long undervalued compared to other collectibles. It is finally getting its due.

[ksemmel]

What is the thought on this card?

Seems like they were either SP or held in collections as there aren't many available for sale on the open market.

I can purchase one for $550, and debating it, but curious to what other people think about it

Untitled by kyle semmel, on Flickr

[fadster]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

What is the thought on this card?

Seems like they were either SP or held in collections as there aren't many available for sale on the open market.

I can purchase one for $550, and debating it, but curious to what other people think about it

Untitled by kyle semmel, on Flickr

The last PSA 9 went for $400 a couple of weeks ago but since then things have kept going up, a PSA 7 went for $200 a couple of days ago. A PSA 10 was BIN'd a couple of days ago for $3500 although there's no way to tell if it went through. There is another PSA 10 for auction and is upto $1550 after less than a day with what looks like 3 genuine bidders. However it's worth pointing out that this is a sticker not a trading card, I know that's not for everybody but it certainly doesn't seem to be hurting its value right now.

It's very hard to gauge how many are out there. First of all they made a ton of these but a ton got stuck into albums. Second getting things graded from Europe is pretty tough so population reports aren't strictly comparable to US issues. Third this is the sort of thing that old school football collectors love, they are the sort who buy something for the collection and it gets locked away into it forever, never to see the market again unless they have extras.

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by fadster

The last PSA 9 went for $400 a couple of weeks ago but since then things have kept going up, a PSA 7 went for $200 a couple of days ago. A PSA 10 was BIN'd a couple of days ago for $3500 although there's no way to tell if it went through. There is another PSA 10 for auction and is upto $1550 after less than a day with what looks like 3 genuine bidders. However it's worth pointing out that this is a sticker not a trading card, I know that's not for everybody but it certainly doesn't seem to be hurting its value right now.

It's very hard to gauge how many are out there. First of all they made a ton of these but a ton got stuck into albums. Second getting things graded from Europe is pretty tough so population reports aren't strictly comparable to US issues. Third this is the sort of thing that old school football collectors love, they are the sort who buy something for the collection and it gets locked away into it forever, never to see the market again unless they have extras.

Obviously on a condition sensitive card like this a 10 will pull a major premium, but think $550 is decent buy?

[jjeanius]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

Obviously on a condition sensitive card like this a 10 will pull a major premium, but think $550 is decent buy?

Sure, if you like stickers!

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

Obviously on a condition sensitive card like this a 10 will pull a major premium, but think $550 is decent buy?

Would rather have however many raw base TC I could get for that price.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

You are just wrong. I don’t know why you continue to deny what is right in front of your face. If you are active here and on IG, you can see who is buying this stuff. Guys with extremely deep pockets and unbelievably impressive collections. This is the new reality for sports cards. The hobby was long undervalued compared to other collectibles. It is finally getting its due.

The question is why are they buying...if they're buying because they have developed a newfound appreciation for soccer, then great. But I don't think that's the case.

I think they're buying because they see a profit opportunity....and as soon as that profit opportunity disappears, they'll quickly become sellers.

Perhaps soccer cards were undervalued, but that doesn't mean that we can't also be in a bubble. If prices were going up 50-100% over a period of time, that would be somewhat normal market behavior. But we're seeing prices go up 500-1000% in a month, if not more.

You'd have to be very naive to think there's not something fishy going on...

[Geoff G]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

What is the thought on this card?

Seems like they were either SP or held in collections as there aren't many available for sale on the open market.

I can purchase one for $550, and debating it, but curious to what other people think about it

Untitled by kyle semmel, on Flickr

I bought my 9 a couple months ago for 150.00. I don’t love it .. but I figured if he ends up being as great as projected, That I probably would want it in my collection.


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[fadster]

I think it's decent price for what a 9 would go for right now today. So if the question is I've decided a PSA 9 Foot 2016/17 Mbappe is what I want, is this a good price, I would say it's decent considering the current market today. It's 5x what they were a year ago but then again the comparable Messi and Ronaldo are up 3x compared to a year ago (and they have the Mega Cracks / Craques overshadowing them). If it's for a long term collection and you're ok to risk some sort of regression to get on the ladder then it is what it is.

You are right they are condition sensitive, partly due to the centering with the thin borders and a lot of these have come out of collector piles. However due to the difficulty of grading from Europe there are potential raw gems out there so it might be worth checking what is out there too.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

I wasn't going to get into the Messi versus CR7 argument but nope, some ridiculous statements going on here. Both for me are two of the greatest, that is for sure and I collect them both but CR7 for me is the best of the two because of his sheer will to win.

Messi is a choker. Pure and simple.

You might not like it but it's a fact. Its why the guy can't make a PK to save his life. CR7 is the ultimate big game performer. His drive to win and be the best is the like of Ali, Jordan, Gretzky. Messi does not have the drive to put his team on his back and say l'm going to win this. CR7 does.

Now you can point to different elements of their game, I think everyone knows the strengths and weaknesses of each and ultimately it comes down to drive to win and CR7 is easily the greatest at that and that is why he has 5 CL titles.

Go look at Messi's stats in KO stages. Dismal. He hasn't show up to play in the CL KO stages since 2011 and his WC? come on. On the other side CR7 is a monster in the CL KO stage and I will give you he did have only 1 good tournament and that was the 2016 Euro but if you want to talk about who you want to have on your team to win Championships, its CR7 all day.

Yeah.

Like the time he played great in the Euro final and scored the goal to beat France.

Or the time he scored a header in the 90th minute to tie Atletico then took over in OT to win the Champions.

Or the other Champions when he obliterated Atletico until they made it to penalties.

Or when, at United, he went head to head with Messi on the final, outplayed him and won another Champions League.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by k13

Let's take a look how great Messi and Ronaldo are :

All World Cup goals : Messi

Iran
Bosnia and Herzogovina
Nigeria

That's it...

All World Cup goals : Ronaldo

Iran
North Korea
Ghana
Morocco
Spain...one real team past their prime


See anything in common...all beyond garbage teams. This is what these legends could muster in their careers.

If they play Germany there's 0 chance that they will score a goal.
Imagine being supposed best in the world and having a 0 chance to score a goal....

All other All time greats in sports like Jordan/Gretzky would never have that happen.

That's because opposite teams focus their whole attention on stopping them. Their club success is much higher than their national team success because they have a much, much better supporting cast.

And really, the worst you can say about them is that they are not Jordan? lol

[bobbycass]

Also, at a world cup, you may only play 1 or 2 top tier teams if youre Portugal or Argentina. First two rounds you may not see any.

[thealonzoman]

Originally Posted by bobbycass

Also, at a world cup, you may only play 1 or 2 top tier teams if youre Portugal or Argentina. First two rounds you may not see any.

And for Messi, we may not see many more Prizm world cup releases at all, with only 2 sets now. Ronaldo has the euro prizm to keep supply up!

[bobbycass]

So Mbappe has just jumped more than 400% in value over the course of a month. Was it mentioned on some podcast or YouTube channel that it's a good investment? That's the only thing I can think of. He's had a poor season, mainly because of the virus but the point is he's done nothing to give himself any extra value.

It's just very weird.

[patchgenie]

Originally Posted by bobbycass

So Mbappe has just jumped more than 400% in value over the course of a month. Was it mentioned on some podcast or YouTube channel that it's a good investment? That's the only thing I can think of. He's had a poor season, mainly because of the virus but the point is he's done nothing to give himself any extra value.

It's just very weird.

seems like it is the buyers group

[pryantexas]

Originally Posted by bobbycass

So Mbappe has just jumped more than 400% in value over the course of a month. Was it mentioned on some podcast or YouTube channel that it's a good investment? That's the only thing I can think of. He's had a poor season, mainly because of the virus but the point is he's done nothing to give himself any extra value.

It's just very weird.

SportsCardInvestor referenced soccer yesterday... the day after my Mbappe silver sold via probstein for $4300. And he cited that sale as proof of the momentum in the soccer space

My card is NOT going to get paid for.

I reached out to SportsCardInvestor via instagram to ask him to make some sort of update... does he post on here?

This could be very bad... that two clowns bid up my MBappe knowing it would get talked about on various blogs and that therefore drove up the price of other MBappe cards that they were holding/selling

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by bobbycass

So Mbappe has just jumped more than 400% in value over the course of a month. Was it mentioned on some podcast or YouTube channel that it's a good investment? That's the only thing I can think of. He's had a poor season, mainly because of the virus but the point is he's done nothing to give himself any extra value.

It's just very weird.

His Topps Chrome Refractor should definitely be worth less than $100 like it was in February when he last played.