Corona Virus

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by pac213up

250K easy and Hospitals would have been a disaster.

You have absolutely no idea.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Whodatiz

What about all of the people that have recovered from the China virus then? You don't bring that up. Wonder why (actually I know why so no need to address it).

What about all the people that maybe have already had it and not gotten the testing yet to see if they already had it and recovered with no treatment, etc.

[Whodatiz]

It's like when zonacats enters this thread, it's thrust into a twilight zone scenario.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

What is wrong with that answer?

It's the same thing for every known disease, virus, etc, that we have cures and treatments for (which is most of them nowadays).

Cancer is a terrible thing, but at least most of them have ways to fight the disease itself and give people a chance to beat it. It absolutely sucks that some people still succumb to it and pass away, but at least they have a fighters chance at beating it.

No different than the flu having a vaccine and treatments, unfortunately some people still can't beat it, but those treatments for it are out there to help people fight it.

Those who catch this virus right now have nothing to fight the virus itself, there are things that can be done to try and help your organs to function long enough for your body to beat the virus, but that's it.

There is a significant difference between those two things and if you don't understand that, then I feel bad for you as it's not a hard concept to grasp.

So to be clear,

609,000 Cancer deaths last year(No cure for cancer)- 'At least there was treatment that gave you a chance.' This reoccurs yearly.

647,000 Heart disease related deaths last year (No cure)- 'At least there was treatment they gave you a chance.' This reoccurs yearly.

60,000 projected (and falling) COVID-19 deaths- 'OH MY GOD THERE IS NO TREATMENT, THESE PEOPLE (Most with 60+ with pre-exisitng) HAD NO CHANCE. HOW DARE YOU MINIMIZE THEIR DEATHS. THEY DIED IN VEIN!' - we also dont know at what level this will reoccur in future years.

So when we approve treatment in the next few weeks you are flipping your position on this right???


If you can't see how much you contradict yourself, and you can't grasp how borderline insane you sound, maybe you need admitted.

[Whodatiz]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

What about all the people that maybe have already had it and not gotten the testing yet to see if they already had it and recovered with no treatment, etc.

Ya know. I'm no mathematician, but 7m+ is a lot larger than .4m.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Whodatiz

Ya know. I'm no mathematician, but 7m+ is a lot larger than .4m.

I agree with you. Certain people don't want talk about numbers that don't fit their agenda.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

So to be clear,

609,000 Cancer deaths last year(No cure for cancer)- At least there was treatment that gave you a chance. This reoccurs yearly.

647,000 Heart disease related deaths last year- At least there was treatment they gave you a chance. This reoccurs yearly.

60,000 projected (and falling) COVID-19 deaths- OH MY GOD THERE IS NO TREATMENT, THESE PEOPLE (Most with 60+ with pre-exisitng) HAD NO CHANCE. HOW DARE YOU MINIMIZE THEIR DEATHS. THEY DIED IN VEIN! - we also dont know at what level this will reoccur in future years.


If you can't see how much you contradict yourself, and you can't grasp how borderline insane you sound, maybe you need admitted.

You make it seem like people don't talk about or raise the issue of things like Cancer or Heart Disease, which is the furthest thing from the truth. Plenty of "big deals" are made about both of them all the time.

The difference is that those aren't things that can be transferred from one person to another. So as terrible as those things are and the deaths due to them are, there never needs to be things like shutting down cities to combat them, hence why they're two totally different arguments to make.

I was never comparing this virus to those diseases, I was using those diseases to compare it to the flu in the sense that deaths are still tragic, but there are at least treatments to help fight them, which is the big difference between this virus and the flu.

[hairysasquatch]

Corona Virus thread had troubles of its own
It flushed out Zonacats, who wouldn't leave it alone;
We tried and tried to give Zonacats away,
Even gave him to a man goin' far, far away.

But Zonacats came back the very next day,
Zonacats came back, we thought he was a goner
But Zonacats came back; he just couldn't stay away.
Away, away, yea, yea, yea

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

You make it seem like people don't talk about or raise the issue of things like Cancer or Heart Disease, which is the furthest thing from the truth. Plenty of "big deals" are made about both of them all the time.

The difference is that those aren't things that can be transferred from one person to another. So as terrible as those things are and the deaths due to them are, there never needs to be things like shutting down cities to combat them, hence why they're two totally different arguments to make.

I was never comparing this virus to those diseases, I was using those diseases to compare it to the flu in the sense that deaths are still tragic, but there are at least treatments to help fight them, which is the big difference between this virus and the flu.

So when the FDA approves some items that help as treatments, likely within the next few weeks, I expect you to do a full 180.

Stop and think, the amount of people who contract CV is likely to be closer to the amount of people the DIE from cancer this year then the Corona virus will be to killing 2 one millionths of a percent of the population in the US. Again...fact.

[preakness]

I no longer read any post that are longer than 2 sentences

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Again until you recognize the fact the same amount of people are dying that would be dying if there were no corona virus, means simply that while this is new, it isn't worth shutting down the country over.

What is SAD is the fact that all those 'other lives' lost to other battles are irrelevant to you and others who use this same argument because it doesnt forward your agenda.

Just like the live affected (Many more then 60k) are worth less then lives lost. You essentially admit that human life isn't equal. Again...because it doesn't fit your agenda.

To answer the question that you cannot.

60,000 people which is now the projected max---is .00016% of the population. The daily average deaths in America is again 8000. So over the course of a 365 day year at max, Corona will account for about a week of deaths, less then cancer, heart disease etc. All which you dont give 2 poops about. But keep writing books and trying to twist things to your agenda....if your going to stick to something, at least be good at it!

I can answer the question.
More lives would have been lost without hunkering down, and there's already been too many lost, regardless of how you try to diminish them.
The majority of people in this country has clearly decided saving lives from this disease specifically is worth the shutdown, but go ahead and keep whining about it. Whatever keeps you busy.

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Exactly what I thought. Don't come in here and write 12 page novels if you cant answer simple questions that blow your weak arguments out the water.

I see you changed your original description of his arguments from "limp-wristed', the homophobic term you originally used, to "weak".
Unfortunately for you, it had already been quoted, so you have revealed yourself as a bigot. That is absolutely all you've accomplished thus far today with your ongoing screed.

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Lets just open the economy back up and see what happens. All these people talking on the news to include the experts have all been wrong. No one knows what is going to happen. Lets just get it over with. Lets learn from this and stockpile ppe, make the drugs Americans need in the USA and call it a day.

Sure thing, President Posey.
Sign the Executive Order.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by jdandns

I see you changed your original description of his arguments from "limp-wristed', the homophobic term you originally used, to "weak".
Unfortunately for you, it had already been quoted, so you have revealed yourself as a bigot. That is absolutely all you've accomplished thus far today with your ongoing screed.

HA! I'm glad you caught that so I will address it.

I typed it and then realized I thought it meant mentally ill and corrected it (I can also bet large money that the term 'limp wristed' is in your google search right now as you had no clue what it meant either till you put the edit together). It was about 20 seconds after the fact which is why there isn't an edit time stamp (something that isn't hard to figure out from someone with 12k post.) But hey, call someone a bigot who has a gay sister! Distract from the argument you can't defeat...I get it.

I apologize to the gay community that I support with donations yearly. If you would like backup documentation on that claim, I can provide it.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jdandns

I can answer the question.
More lives would have been lost without hunkering down, and there's already been too many lost, regardless of how you try to diminish them.
The majority of people in this country has clearly decided saving lives from this disease specifically is worth the shutdown, but go ahead and keep whining about it. Whatever keeps you busy.

This is correct.

Let's see what the poll says in six months. I don't think this will be correct, anymore.

[IronMonkey415]

Martin Shkreli the most hated man in America said FREE HIM and HE WILL CURE CORONAVIRUS

Get of here with that nonsense.

[TheFrenzy]

Shkreli would totally post in Off Topic

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

HA! I'm glad you caught that so I will address it.

I typed it and then realized I thought it meant mentally ill and corrected it, was about 20 seconds after the fact which is why there isn't an edit time stamp. But hey, call someone a bigot who has a gay sister!

But hey...its just an opportunity for you to try and distract from facts. I apologize to the gay community that I support with donations yearly. Would you like to see my tax write offs last year?

I'll take you at your word.
Thank you for the clarification and your charitable work.
Beyond that, what I said about the national response to the virus is what's what.
There was no obfuscation on my part, but see below.

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

This is correct.

Let's see what the poll says in six months. I don't think this will be correct, anymore.

Fair enough, and you might be right.
I look forward to the day we can look back on this.

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by preakness

I no longer read any post that are longer than 2 sentences

[ilovethelakings]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Corona Virus thread had troubles of its own
It flushed out Zonacats, who wouldn't leave it alone;
We tried and tried to give Zonacats away,
Even gave him to a man goin' far, far away.

But Zonacats came back the very next day,
Zonacats came back, we thought he was a goner
But Zonacats came back; he just couldn't stay away.
Away, away, yea, yea, yea

I think I now know your real identity, and it's Laurie Berkner.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by preakness

I no longer read any post that are longer than 2 sentences

There are people I skip over. No reason for a 1000 word reply to everything.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Again until you recognize the fact the same amount of people are dying that would be dying if there were no corona virus, means simply that while this is new, it isn't worth shutting down the country over.

What is SAD is the fact that all those 'other lives' lost to other battles are irrelevant to you and others who use this same argument because it doesnt forward your agenda.

Just like the live affected (Many more then 60k) are worth less then lives lost. You essentially admit that human life isn't equal. Again...because it doesn't fit your agenda.

To answer the question that you cannot.

60,000 people which is now the projected max---is .00016% of the population. The daily average deaths in America is again 8000. So over the course of a 365 day year at max, Corona will account for about a week of deaths, less then cancer, heart disease etc. All which you dont give 2 poops about. But keep writing books and trying to twist things to your agenda....if your going to stick to something, at least be good at it!

This is horrendous logic and not even (likely) true.

Here are your top 10 causes of death in this country:

1. Heart disease
2. Cancer
3. Unintentional injuries
4. Chronic lower respiratory disease
5. Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases
6. Alzheimer's Disease
7. Diabetes
8. Influenza & Pneumonia
9. Kidney Disease
10. Suicide


Where would this virus rate among that list? Probably 8 when all is said and done, but the other deaths are still occurring. I'll grant you that someone who MAY have died from heart disease this year will be taken out by Covid instead, but not enough to shift the totality of death downward this year.

The logic is almost as horrendous as "This means 7,806,017 people have been infected with a different infectious disease in the time Corona virus".

[IronMonkey415]

Darn it, a Chinese guy is picking our family Popeye chicken order.
I'll meet him outside, if mother see this she will throw it all away.

THIS IS CORONA RELATED. Not a off-topic post.

He does have a nice name though

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

This is horrendous logic and not even (likely) true.

Here are your top 10 causes of death in this country:

1. Heart disease
2. Cancer
3. Unintentional injuries
4. Chronic lower respiratory disease
5. Stroke and cerebrovascular diseases
6. Alzheimer's Disease
7. Diabetes
8. Influenza & Pneumonia
9. Kidney Disease
10. Suicide


Where would this virus rate among that list? Probably 8 when all is said and done

It looks like the Cincinnati Bengals have just won the Superbowl! And in just two days LOL.

[preakness]

Could you imagine if coronavirus ONLY attacked those with ZERO pre-existing conditions and didn't attack the old? If COVID only went after the perfectly healthy and those aged 25-40?

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

From day one, I have advocated for taking strong precauctions and fortifying the population centers that need help and supplies the most (like NYC, Phily, Chicago, Detroit, etc.). To me, this was always going to be a regional tragedy. I still believe that is/was the right strategy and to be clear, I fear what comes next so much more than I feared this.

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Can you imagine being the kid whose father is spraying him down outside the school?

I'm starting to wonder whether or not this virus is actually going to make an impact in the U.S. I kinda expected this to take off by now, but it's really dragging it's feet.

Let's go already!

Never Forget!!!

[TheHeel]

Intelligence report warned of coronavirus crisis as early as November: Sources

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/inte...ry?id=70031273

And this is why we listen to our intelligence agencies......