Potential Worth of Soccer Cards as Market Grows

[thealonzoman]

With Messi likely to only play in one more World Cup - in 24 months time in QATAR (if he even decides to play), one would then think only the prizm (14' and 18') in circulation may be the extent of what we get to purchase!

Ronaldo has 2016 euro prizm and more than likely 2021 euro prizm as well.

I think Messi stock will rise

[k13]

Originally Posted by Jacks2323

Look at what is happening to the Lebron 2012 Prizm base. Currently it sits at about $300 ungraded. The 2014 WC Messi's are headed in that direction.

The population of the Messi is 10x Lebron and Lebron has 10x the demand.

[k13]

These refractor people saying how it is so great and legendary blah blah...basketball blah blah...

In basketball other stars besides Lebron/Jordan sell...
Even average stars like Allen Iverson, Grant Hill, Westbrook, Vince Carter, Wade, whoever still sells well for refractors/parallels especially older/original ones.

But in Soccer... 2014 prizm silvers and "original" Topps chrome everyone besides Ronaldo/Messi sell for .99 cents

The only time anyone else sells if they are /25 or less parallels.

Messi/Ronaldo fans are 12 yeard old fanboi's, girls and the media.
There not real legends to hardcore soccer fans.

[k13]

Let's take a look how great Messi and Ronaldo are :

All World Cup goals : Messi

Iran
Bosnia and Herzogovina
Nigeria

That's it...

All World Cup goals : Ronaldo

Iran
North Korea
Ghana
Morocco
Spain...one real team past their prime


See anything in common...all beyond garbage teams. This is what these legends could muster in their careers.

If they play Germany there's 0 chance that they will score a goal.
Imagine being supposed best in the world and having a 0 chance to score a goal....

All other All time greats in sports like Jordan/Gretzky would never have that happen.

[k13]

All those 2014 Prizm cards especially anything # sold like crazy when it came out.

So even then you could sell Messi/Ronaldo base cards for $20..
I was selling Original Donruss Base cards for $5 at shows.

Interest waned. No one wanted overproduced garbage besides low numbered stuff.

[GrangerCollectr]

Mbappe Topps Chrome Refractor BGS 9.5 sold last night for $1,599 that's a new record!!! A raw Chrome Refractor sold for $749 this morning and that's a new record for a raw refractor

and for those tracking Jadon Sancho sales....a raw Immaculate sold last night for $1,100 on a best offer - I believe that is a record sale as well

[thealonzoman]

Originally Posted by k13

Let's take a look how great Messi and Ronaldo are :

All World Cup goals : Messi

Iran
Bosnia and Herzogovina
Nigeria

That's it...

All World Cup goals : Ronaldo

Iran
North Korea
Ghana
Morocco
Spain...one real team past their prime


See anything in common...all beyond garbage teams. This is what these legends could muster in their careers.

If they play Germany there's 0 chance that they will score a goal.
Imagine being supposed best in the world and having a 0 chance to score a goal....

All other All time greats in sports like Jordan/Gretzky would never have that happen.

This may have been the dumbest post I have ever seen on an Internet forum.

Maybe go stock up on euro 2016 prizm Ronaldo where he guided Portugal to the championship? Or you want to talk that achievement down too?

Thanks

[thekiddfan]

Someone pls remove this troll

Cr7 and Messi not real legends?

Get a brain check

Originally Posted by k13

Messi/Ronaldo fans are 12 yeard old fanboi's, girls and the media.
There not real legends to hardcore soccer fans.

[thealonzoman]

Originally Posted by thekiddfan

Someone pls remove this troll

Cr7 and Messi not real legends?

Get a brain check

Let him go, it’s a reminder to anyone who wants to look like a complete dip$hit.
Also, FWIW I believe he’s just trying to stock up on Messi and Ronaldo cards on the cheap. Would help if he could construct full sentences in English too, but I kind of understand him.

Thanks

[pregra]

Originally Posted by k13

Let's take a look how great Messi and Ronaldo are :

All World Cup goals : Messi

Iran
Bosnia and Herzogovina
Nigeria

That's it...

All World Cup goals : Ronaldo

Iran
North Korea
Ghana
Morocco
Spain...one real team past their prime


See anything in common...all beyond garbage teams. This is what these legends could muster in their careers.

If they play Germany there's 0 chance that they will score a goal.
Imagine being supposed best in the world and having a 0 chance to score a goal....

All other All time greats in sports like Jordan/Gretzky would never have that happen.

I guess you could measure Ronaldo's success at the WC on number of goals scored but Messi? Heck no. He has to play sooo deep for Argentina, most of the time he has to drop back to the centre circle and pick the ball up. Argentina are, at least were in the two last WCs, so top heavy it is a joke. Centre mids that could only pass the ball sideways and unable to go past a man. Full backs (most important position in football the last couple of years, with most teams playing with inverted wingers) that were decent enough defensively but haven't got a clue what to do as soon as they cross the half-way line.

Messi is the BEST player that has ever lived but a discussion can be had about him being the GREATEST. Most hardcore football fans would agree with that. As would most players, ex-players, managers and the media. For me the greatest is Maradona by a country mile. What he did in 86 will never be done again. To do those things on those unbelievably poor pitches was absolutely mad. Not just the famous goals against Italy, England & Belgium, but his overall performance in every single game. I understand that it is nigh on impossible to do the same today given the way the game has progressed the last 35 years but I doubt anyone (bar Messi ) would be able to. If anyone has time to spare I recommend watching all of Argentinas games from start to finish.

[pregra]

Originally Posted by thealonzoman

This may have been the dumbest post I have ever seen on an Internet forum.

Maybe go stock up on euro 2016 prizm Ronaldo where he guided Portugal to the championship? Or you want to talk that achievement down too?

Thanks

Actually, here I agree with him. CRonaldo did not guide Portugal to anything alone, it was a real team effort with no standouts apart from Pepe who was the best player in the whole tournament IMO. That Portugal beat France, at home, without CRonaldo says it all. Also, finishing 3rd in that group and a fairly easy run all the way to the final - the stars were alligned for Portugal to win.

EDIT: and before people come with the "Messi-fanboy etc etc"; Argentina's run in 2014 was just as much a team effort, more or less.

[jswek]

Originally Posted by GrangerCollectr

Mbappe Topps Chrome Refractor BGS 9.5 sold last night for $1,599 that's a new record!!! A raw Chrome Refractor sold for $749 this morning and that's a new record for a raw refractor

and for those tracking Jadon Sancho sales....a raw Immaculate sold last night for $1,100 on a best offer - I believe that is a record sale as well

It appears the BIN for a BGS 9.5 Silver Prizm was also hit, and a PSA 10 Purple Prizm went for $5,000 on best offer.

As a spillover from the Mbappe thread, what colors across both Chrome and Prizm will end up being the most desired? Generally, the established colors such as Blue and Orange tend to do better than newer colors such as Purple or Pink Lazer regardless of print runs. Will that hold true for soccer?

Particularly interesting is that soccer may be the first sport where both licensed Chrome and Prizm products are available at the same time. Given equivalent print runs, which colors win out? The Sancho Chrome Blue /150 or the Optic Aqua /149? The Mbappe Chrome Red /10 or the Prizm Gold /10?

[fadster]

Originally Posted by pregra

Actually, here I agree with him. CRonaldo did not guide Portugal to anything alone, it was a real team effort with no standouts apart from Pepe who was the best player in the whole tournament IMO. That Portugal beat France, at home, without CRonaldo says it all. Also, finishing 3rd in that group and a fairly easy run all the way to the final - the stars were alligned for Portugal to win.

EDIT: and before people come with the "Messi-fanboy etc etc"; Argentina's run in 2014 was just as much a team effort, more or less.

I'd agree on that point too. Personally I thought France were the best team in that tournament and am still not sure how they didn't win. I wonder how we'd look at Greizmann now if they had won? He won the Golden Ball and Boot at Euro 2016 as well as the Bronze Ball and silver boot at the 2018 World Cup.

As for Portugal Renato Sanches was an absolute revalation, 18 years old and dominating games. He had the hype, won the Golden Boy and got the big money move to Bayern but it did not work out there. I'm happy that he has rebuilt his career in Lille, he even made the L'Equipe team of the year alongside Veratti and ahead of Camavinga. FWIW the top player in L'Equipe's ratings in Ligue 1 was Neymar (6.40 average), Mbappe 5th (6.00 average), Sanches 8th (5.88 average). Yes those marks are out of 10, they are famously snobbish and have only ever given twelve perfect 10s ever.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by k13

These refractor people saying how it is so great and legendary blah blah...basketball blah blah...

In basketball other stars besides Lebron/Jordan sell...
Even average stars like Allen Iverson, Grant Hill, Westbrook, Vince Carter, Wade, whoever still sells well for refractors/parallels especially older/original ones.

But in Soccer... 2014 prizm silvers and "original" Topps chrome everyone besides Ronaldo/Messi sell for .99 cents

The only time anyone else sells if they are /25 or less parallels.

Messi/Ronaldo fans are 12 yeard old fanboi's, girls and the media.
There not real legends to hardcore soccer fans.

The fact that you don’t see how basketball trends are shaping the current soccer market is astonishing.

Then again, you also can’t see that Ronaldo and Messi are living legends so I guess that shouldn’t astonish me at all.

I must be a 12 year old girl that reports for ESPN. This is how I got my inside info that Messi and Ronaldo TC refractors would catch fire.


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[spotted penguins]

Originally Posted by pregra

Actually, here I agree with him. CRonaldo did not guide Portugal to anything alone, it was a real team effort with no standouts apart from Pepe who was the best player in the whole tournament IMO. That Portugal beat France, at home, without CRonaldo says it all. Also, finishing 3rd in that group and a fairly easy run all the way to the final - the stars were alligned for Portugal to win.

EDIT: and before people come with the "Messi-fanboy etc etc"; Argentina's run in 2014 was just as much a team effort, more or less.

If I remember correctly, Gignac missed the game-winning goal too. To this day, I still don't understand why Deschamps preferred Gignac over Lacazette.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by spotted penguins

If I remember correctly, Gignac missed the game-winning goal too. To this day, I still don't understand why Deschamps preferred Gignac over Lacazette.

Just imagine if Benzema hadn't been a complete scumbag and tried to blackmail his teammate over a sextape

[spotted penguins]

Originally Posted by fadster

Just imagine if Benzema hadn't been a complete scumbag and tried to blackmail his teammate over a sextape

I completely forgot about that guy too, wow. Wasn't that long ago he was considered as "one of the best strikers in the world" LOL

[ThoseBackPages]

k13 said that Connor McDavid would be a bust.

k13's track record is stellar

[Ianhatcher]

I wasn't going to get into the Messi versus CR7 argument but nope, some ridiculous statements going on here. Both for me are two of the greatest, that is for sure and I collect them both but CR7 for me is the best of the two because of his sheer will to win.

Messi is a choker. Pure and simple.

You might not like it but it's a fact. Its why the guy can't make a PK to save his life. CR7 is the ultimate big game performer. His drive to win and be the best is the like of Ali, Jordan, Gretzky. Messi does not have the drive to put his team on his back and say l'm going to win this. CR7 does.

Now you can point to different elements of their game, I think everyone knows the strengths and weaknesses of each and ultimately it comes down to drive to win and CR7 is easily the greatest at that and that is why he has 5 CL titles.

Go look at Messi's stats in KO stages. Dismal. He hasn't show up to play in the CL KO stages since 2011 and his WC? come on. On the other side CR7 is a monster in the CL KO stage and I will give you he did have only 1 good tournament and that was the 2016 Euro but if you want to talk about who you want to have on your team to win Championships, its CR7 all day.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

k13 said that Connor McDavid would be a bust.

k13's track record is stellar

Forget making a separate soccer sub forum. Let’s create a new forum on here for k13.


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[Ianhatcher]

It's also funny to hear people say, when CR7's team does good it's the team that gets the credit and when they do bad it's his fault yet for Messi no matter what it's the teams fault.

Just apply the same criteria for each not what suits your argument lol

Hypocrisy.

[thekiddfan]

K13 always ghosts after making a stupid remark...lol

Its like taking a dump infront of macdonalds then running away, he doesnt clean the #@#@#@#@ (arguments) he left behind

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Forget making a separate soccer sub forum. Let’s create a new forum on here for k13.


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[fadster]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

It's also funny to hear people say, when CR7's team does good it's the team that gets the credit and when they do bad it's his fault yet for Messi no matter what it's the teams fault.

Just apply the same criteria for each not what suits your argument lol

Hypocrisy.

At club level they have been the two GOATs but internationally the have both stunk up the place. That was the big irony though, that when one of them finally won an international championship they did it in a game without them and in a tournament they had bored their way through. I absolutely agree about Ronaldo, no one has ever had the work ethic and will to win he has, in that respect he is on another level to anyone else that has played. Messi on the other-hand is the artist and magician, he sees and does things that no one else can or has with a ball. That's the beauty of them being around at the same time. It's just a shame neither has done it at the World Cup yet, it would be the most amazing sign off for either.

[spotted penguins]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

I wasn't going to get into the Messi versus CR7 argument but nope, some ridiculous statements going on here. Both for me are two of the greatest, that is for sure and I collect them both but CR7 for me is the best of the two because of his sheer will to win.

Messi is a choker. Pure and simple.

You might not like it but it's a fact. Its why the guy can't make a PK to save his life. CR7 is the ultimate big game performer. His drive to win and be the best is the like of Ali, Jordan, Gretzky. Messi does not have the drive to put his team on his back and say l'm going to win this. CR7 does.

Now you can point to different elements of their game, I think everyone knows the strengths and weaknesses of each and ultimately it comes down to drive to win and CR7 is easily the greatest at that and that is why he has 5 CL titles.

Go look at Messi's stats in KO stages. Dismal. He hasn't show up to play in the CL KO stages since 2011 and his WC? come on. On the other side CR7 is a monster in the CL KO stage and I will give you he did have only 1 good tournament and that was the 2016 Euro but if you want to talk about who you want to have on your team to win Championships, its CR7 all day.

That hat trick last year to win the CL tie against Athletico after being down 0-2 in the first leg is stuff of legends. He's 34 too, and still doing this...it's insane.

[Ianhatcher]

Originally Posted by fadster

At club level they have been the two GOATs but internationally the have both stunk up the place. That was the big irony though, that when one of them finally won an international championship they did it in a game without them and in a tournament they had bored their way through. I absolutely agree about Ronaldo, no one has ever had the work ethic and will to win he has, in that respect he is on another level to anyone else that has played. Messi on the other-hand is the artist and magician, he sees and does things that no one else can or has with a ball. That's the beauty of them being around at the same time. It's just a shame neither has done it at the World Cup yet, it would be the most amazing sign off for either.

I would agree with all that. I love watching both play even as RM fan I had respect for Messi and enjoyment watching what he could magically do sometimes and it was really the fans that annoyed me but there are idiot fans for every team. He just doesn't have that killer instinct that is so important at that level.

I feel like more and more the criteria is becoming at least for me CL > WC. I know that is sacrilege but that is how I view the modern game.