Luka traded to the Lakers

[blackvodka]

MVP's are unique. I put a little value in them, but they're flakey and very narrative dependent. Westbrook getting his was narrative dependant. Nash is another one. Derrick Rose you could also argue.

Luka has had a few years he was at least in the discussion. Think about Giannis this year. Luka just hasn't that one year it was obvious.

If things go his way he'll have a strong 2 year window. Enough wins, no injuries, 30 pts a game. Improves a little on D. That window is still there.

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[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Wish you could do the same with your king

I have and will continue to do so. Lebron is setting a new bar for complaining to the refs/flopping.

Le flop
poser
not the GOAT
showing his age

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Chris P

It just feels like you think it's so easy to make an NBA Finals. I believe Jokic and Giannis are better than Luka as of right now..and Jokic is considered the best in the world..yet he's been to 1 NBA Finals. Giannis has been to 1 NBA Finals. I understand that they dominated and won and Luka hasn't done that yet which is why I have them over him, but my point is even the current best players in the world have been to two finals combined despite winning 5 MVP's between them. Because it's not just about them. Look at who Jokic is playing is with right now..and Giannis..even with Dame..that team was terrible. Expecting an 18, 19 year old Luka to lead the Mavs to the Finals on a roster that had Dirk on his last legs and had literally been in lottery team..yeah that's asking a lot. Free agents don't go to Dallas so Dallas had to build their team from scratch around Luka and it took time. When it looked like they FINALLY had a running mate with Luka, they fumbled it and let Brunson walk and got nothing in return. They got lucky to get Kyrie at his all time low value and again it took a couple moves to build that team. He got all of one year and a half with Kyrie before he got traded away and they made a finals. Now he starts over again. I just don't realistically see how you think he should've been able to lead those other Mavs teams to Finals year after year. But like I said, I'll never change your mind about it so if you think he's a disappointment so be it

It's about the lack of improvement and the wasted talent for me.


Luka himself has admitted he parties too much in the off-season and has come to camp out of shape.


I never question the work ethic of Giannis/Lebron/Shai, etc...Luka? YUP.


With Luka I could honestly see him winning maybe a chip or two in the next 5-7 years, but I can also see him tipping the scales at 300 pounds and being out of the league.

[KhalDrogo]

More Luka RCs or BTC? Tough choice.

[2010GBPackers]

Most folks here aren't acting like Luka has "done nothing." However, there seems to be a disconnect between his fan's view of him + him being priced as a Top 10 All-Timer in the hobby, and the reality of his position in the ranks of NBA greats. Also, as the Luka fans cite his 5 All-NBA first team selections, yet trash LeBron for not rising up to the challenge this year - you realize LeBron has 13 All-NBA first team selections, right? Multiple MVP's? Mulitple Finals wins? Multiple Finals MVP's?

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[Chris P]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

Most folks here aren't acting like Luka has "done nothing." However, there seems to be a disconnect between his fan's view of him + him being priced as a Top 10 All-Timer in the hobby, and the reality of his position in the ranks of NBA greats. Also, as the Luka fans cite his 5 All-NBA first team selections, yet trash LeBron for not rising up to the challenge this year - you realize LeBron has 13 All-NBA first team selections, right? Multiple MVP's? Mulitple Finals wins? Multiple Finals MVP's?

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I know this is not specifically directed at me and is an in general thing but a couple things on my end. Unlike others here, I have never bashed Lebron, I've never hated Lebron. He's amazing and what he's done at his age is truly remarkable. I think he gets crapped on unfairly as well but that's another story. I'm a Luka fan and he is nowhere near an all time great right now. But yes, on the flip side,there are many people in all these Luka threads pretty much ignoring what he has accomplished in his career so far. When you say (and by you I mean Blackbears) "What exactly has Luka done in the NBA", it's ridiculous to me because he has had individual and playoff success up to this point. I don't think making the playoffs is some big accomplishment in itself, I mean 20 teams now get the chance to do it, but getting to a conference finals and NBA Finals, win or lose? That's still something to me. This year was a weird season for Luka, he unexpectedly gets traded and he was hurt for 20 or so games. The roster also had a glaring hole and I was surprised the media, fans etc were so gung ho they were just going to steamroll a pretty damn good Minnesota team that was only 1 game behind them in the standings. All I'm saying is, I feel like Luka deserves some rope and I don't think it's fair to just write him off as this loser, when he's accomplished a lot so far in his career and still has plenty of time to do more. Unfortunately, his window has shrunk because of the trade but I still believe in him. People don't have believe in him and I get it, I just don't understand acknowledging that he's been a great player so far in his career.

[Brazenways]

Luka - landlord of the year lol

[KhalDrogo]

It’s always the Giannis bag holders that are hurt the most.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I'll say it again, MVPs are overrated.

Shaq has 1
Kobe 1
TD 2

Luka needs a decent 2nd guy to join him in LA, they have a bunch of solid role players already.

After that it's can they match up with Boston. The West he's already beaten them all except Joker.

Outside of Shaq, how does that list prove that MVPs are overrated?

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Outside of Shaq, how does that list prove that MVPs are overrated?

He has 10 more seasons to get 1.

They aren't worth as much as titles

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

Most folks here aren't acting like Luka has "done nothing." However, there seems to be a disconnect between his fan's view of him + him being priced as a Top 10 All-Timer in the hobby, and the reality of his position in the ranks of NBA greats. Also, as the Luka fans cite his 5 All-NBA first team selections, yet trash LeBron for not rising up to the challenge this year - you realize LeBron has 13 All-NBA first team selections, right? Multiple MVP's? Mulitple Finals wins? Multiple Finals MVP's?

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Yet Luka's Prizm Silver RC PSA 10 sells for about the same as Shai.

How is his prices baked in?

Every young player is overpriced.

Look at Paulo, Tatum, Cade, Wemby etc

Young guys are always overpriced without doing a whole lot

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Yet Luka's Prizm Silver RC PSA 10 sells for about the same as Shai.

How is his prices baked in?

Every young player is overpriced.

Look at Paulo, Tatum, Cade, Wemby etc

Young guys are always overpriced without doing a whole lot

This is exactly why I don't collect modern guy cards. I'll take HOFers any day over a young guy that one day may accomplish what his prices already bake in.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Chris P

I know this is not specifically directed at me and is an in general thing but a couple things on my end. Unlike others here, I have never bashed Lebron, I've never hated Lebron. He's amazing and what he's done at his age is truly remarkable. I think he gets crapped on unfairly as well but that's another story. I'm a Luka fan and he is nowhere near an all time great right now. But yes, on the flip side,there are many people in all these Luka threads pretty much ignoring what he has accomplished in his career so far. When you say (and by you I mean Blackbears) "What exactly has Luka done in the NBA", it's ridiculous to me because he has had individual and playoff success up to this point. I don't think making the playoffs is some big accomplishment in itself, I mean 20 teams now get the chance to do it, but getting to a conference finals and NBA Finals, win or lose? That's still something to me. This year was a weird season for Luka, he unexpectedly gets traded and he was hurt for 20 or so games. The roster also had a glaring hole and I was surprised the media, fans etc were so gung ho they were just going to steamroll a pretty damn good Minnesota team that was only 1 game behind them in the standings. All I'm saying is, I feel like Luka deserves some rope and I don't think it's fair to just write him off as this loser, when he's accomplished a lot so far in his career and still has plenty of time to do more. Unfortunately, his window has shrunk because of the trade but I still believe in him. People don't have believe in him and I get it, I just don't understand acknowledging that he's been a great player so far in his career.

I'm not the only one calling out Luka. His own coach is doing it.

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If he shows up this fall out of shape and 30 poiunds overweight, I won't be surprised in the least.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I'm not the only one calling out Luka. His own coach is doing it.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...K&opi=89978449


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If he shows up this fall out of shape and 30 poiunds overweight, I won't be surprised in the least.

I already told you, I have zero problem anyone calling Luka out for his defense/conditioning. If he shows up out of shape then yes even I will be like "ok guy..you just don't get it at all". My disagreement is people treating him like he has accomplished nothing in the league so far...which we've already said we disagree on what success is

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Chris P

I already told you, I have zero problem anyone calling Luka out for his defense/conditioning. If he shows up out of shape then yes even I will be like "ok guy..you just don't get it at all". My disagreement is people treating him like he has accomplished nothing in the league so far...which we've already said we disagree on what success is

Glad you agree with me on one thing.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Glad you agree with me on one thing.

Yes absolutely..it would be very disappointing if he doesn't conditioning seriously. I'm still hoping for the best and believe he will.

[oldgoldy97]

They gotta trade for Zion.

[TheVolta]

Zion is the key. He’s gonna be the Pippen to Lukas MJ
Then Kessler can be Rodman

[Duncancollector]

Originally Posted by TheVolta

Zion is the key. He’s gonna be the Pippen to Lukas MJ
Then Kessler can be Rodman

Pippen played a lot of games during his early days and during his prime.

Zion hasn't....He is so overrated.

[Jed Clampett]

Zion:

We've known for years that when Zion Williamson is healthy, he can be the best player on the floor on any given night. It’s just a matter of him being able to stay healthy, which he hasn’t but when he’s on the court, he’s been quite dominant.

[Jwax13]

Originally Posted by SandStoneSports

I am convinced most of the Luka haters on this board havent watched more than 3-5 games he's played in.

He was blown by half a dozen times in the first 5 minutes of an elimination game last week. By Julius Randle. Before he hurt his back.

I was also at G1 of the 2nd round last year. I’d never in my life seen someone cry to the officials for the entire 48 without ever being in danger of a tech. He was also a cone on defense that game, but he was “playing hurt”.

Regarding defensive metrics; He’s closer to a bottom 40 defensive player in the league than he is top 40. And when he’s bad and crying non stop, he’s the worst defender on the planet. So frustrating to see a generational offensive talent be this big of a loser in terms of conditioning, defensive effort and attitude to the officiating.

[SandStoneSports]

Originally Posted by Jed Clampett

Zion:

We've known for years that when Zion Williamson is healthy, he can be the best player on the floor on any given night. It’s just a matter of him being able to stay healthy, which he hasn’t but when he’s on the court, he’s been quite dominant.

The issue isnt him staying healthy. The issue is no one actually believes he is as hurt as he says he is. There are massive questions about his interest in playing basketball. He's a 6'6 power forward who doesnt give you enough on the boards.

Any team looking into Zion better be incredibly careful. He's a multi-millionaire who averages 30 games a year and has motivation issues. Sign guys who love or need basketball. Not guys who dont.

[49ersSF]

The trade is now complete.

Dallas fans can now rest a little as the NBA orchestrated trade brings them Cooper Flagg.

[al3xmac10]

Nico not done yet

#1 for Giannis

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

The trade is now complete.

Dallas fans can now rest a little as the NBA orchestrated trade brings them Cooper Flagg.

The NBA wouldn't be the same without a draft conspiracy. This one will stand the test of time. A 1.8% chance of getting the 1st pick? C'mon.