2022 Spidey Metal

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Wow -- I better get to my local Barnes and Noble and see if I can get some of these.

Yea the retro animated series cards look cool in person. They have a cracked ice prism pattern almost like old vending stickers.

It does say on the back of the packs they are 1:360 (that’s one in 60 blaster boxes) so it might be a tough pull in fair warning. But I don’t know how much stock should be put into these stated odds.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Yea the retro animated series cards look cool in person. They have a cracked ice prism pattern almost like old vending stickers.

It does say on the back of the packs they are 1:360 (that’s one in 60 blaster boxes) so it might be a tough pull in fair warning. But I don’t know how much stock should be put into these stated odds.

Yeah, from the listings I've seen on ebay, they look nice. I think they are some of the most unique cards in the product. It also matters that I was fan of the show as a kid -- good times.

[Tim]

What are the stated and realized blaster odds on Grandiose?

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Tim

What are the stated and realized blaster odds on Grandiose?

Stated blaster odds for grandiose

1:9 Low Series
1:18 High Series

In my 18 packs, got 2 LS grandiose and 1 HS. So that was on odds.

The one that really jumped out as being strange was 21 yellow looking cards in 18 packs. Yellow as in the actual metal band on the bottom was yellow too (this way they can’t be regular base with yellow backgrounds. Regular base have gray bands). I’m willing to accept some could be golds- if I knew a sure way to tell the difference would be easier- but even if like 3 are golds, then that’s still 18 yellows in 18 packs, when odds say 1:2.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Stated blaster odds for grandiose

1:9 Low Series
1:18 High Series

In my 18 packs, got 2 LS grandiose and 1 HS. So that was on odds.

The one that really jumped out as being strange was 21 yellow looking cards in 18 packs. Yellow as in the actual metal band on the bottom was yellow too (this way they can’t be regular base with yellow backgrounds. Regular base have gray bands). I’m willing to accept some could be golds- if I knew a sure way to tell the difference would be easier- but even if like 3 are golds, then that’s still 18 yellows in 18 packs, when odds say 1:2.

Maybe you can post images of some of your yellows and someone who has only opened hobby can post the golds of those cards for an easier “side by side” comparison? Weird if they are hard to tell apart… they could have done some other color.

[DynaEtch]

Figured out why the odds seem strange.

Pack odds say

LS yellow 1:2
HS yellow 1:2

So that does average to 1 yellow per pack. In 18 packs I should get 9 LS yellows and 9 HS yellows, so 18 yellows in 18 packs. Yellows are basically 1 per pack! No wonder I’m seeing even Spider-Man and Wolverine yellows not go for that much on eBay.

Also says

Gold FX 1:8
SP Gold FX 1:8 (they might have meant to say HS Gold here)

Either way that’s 2 total golds in 8 packs. So gold overall is 1:4 packs

Overall grandiose is 1:6 packs (1 per blaster)

Edit: for reference

[finfangfan]

Maybe if you throw all of your cards on scanner the golds will scan differently and better show off the difference between the parallels?

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

Maybe you can post images of some of your yellows and someone who has only opened hobby can post the golds of those cards for an easier “side by side” comparison? Weird if they are hard to tell apart… they could have done some other color.

Originally Posted by finfangfan

Maybe if you throw all of your cards on scanner the golds will scan differently and better show off the difference between the parallels?

Yes good point. I did notice the golds seem to scan darker in ebay listings. I'll see what I can do pic wise later today and post it. One thing for sure- it's not immediately obvious what's gold and what's yellow to me out of packs.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

What? Lol. Never even knew Barnes & Noble sold cards. This can only be a good thing for increasing awareness of Marvel cards. Almost like the old days packs were at the supermarket.

Totally agree. increasing the exposure and accessibility of Marvel cards can only improve their popularity. Allowing someone to conveniently buy packs for themselves and maybe their child at a local store gives average folks a better chance to discover and enjoy the hobby.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Totally agree. increasing the exposure and accessibility of Marvel cards can only improve their popularity. Allowing someone to conveniently buy packs for themselves and maybe their child at a local store gives average folks a better chance to discover and enjoy the hobby.

In theory… but looks like a large number are being bought up by adults and flipped on eBay. And even Dacard is offering a $40 bounty on them which kind of fuels the fire and limits these cards getting into hands of kids. Unless UD ended up printing a boatload of them and the market gets flooded.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

And now we see just how much of a ripple effect remains from the PMG crazy peak phase. The green spidey is a nice looking card for sure. And does seem like a fair price given it's just like 10x the price of a box. But do people value these pmgs at several thousand still? I dunno. Maybe.

One thing that I dont like is UD has a total of 4 regular spideys in the base set. It makes it not quite as special to have a green pmg of spidey....there are 3 more! In a set like Marvel Retro there was just one spidey green pmg.



Interesting.

But you can't just have 1 Spiderman card in a 200-card set dedicated to spiderman. He has such a long comic history, with many noteworthy artists depicting him.

I like all the images used for the spiderman base cards -- although, one of them is actually Ben Reilly Spider-man, who has also gone by the alias of scarlet spiderman.

I also like that they didn't use the Amazing Fantasy #15 artwork. The artwork they used, from a cover drawn by John Romita, looks better to me -- it has the more classic Spidey look.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

In theory… but looks like a large number are being bought up by adults and flipped on eBay. And even Dacard is offering a $40 bounty on them which kind of fuels the fire and limits these cards getting into hands of kids. Unless UD ended up printing a boatload of them and the market gets flooded.

That just sucks.

Anyway, credit to Upper Deck for being committed to having a retail component.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

But you can't just have 1 Spiderman card in a 200-card set dedicated to spiderman. He has such a long comic history, with many noteworthy artists depicting him.

I like all the images used for the spiderman base cards -- although, one of them is actually Ben Reilly Spider-man, who has also gone by the alias of scarlet spiderman.

I also like that they didn't use the Amazing Fantasy #15 artwork. The artwork they used, from a cover drawn by John Romita, looks better to me -- it has the more classic Spidey look.

1995 FUSM was a 150 card Spiderman set with just one actual Spider-man (#1) (although that set had battle cards etc making up a portion of the 150). 2017 FUSM had just 1 literal Spiderman (also #1) in a 100 card base set. So I think it's doable. These sets were commissioned art of course, not rehased. It is true in 1994 Fleer Amazing Spiderman there were multiple examples of regular Spiderman.

I would have liked to see 2 Spidermans, one for low and one for high. But I see UDs reasoning. Imagine if kids are opening these retail boxes of a Spiderman product....they want to see Spiderman! So UD probably made a last minute decision to make there be 4 Spidermans- have him show up more (just speculating here). So what makes the product more fun for kids...might come as a slight annoyance to the big $ adult players in the market (I do think having 4 Spideys will deflate the numbered parallels a bit, including pmg red/green). Also it'll be a hurt to the wallets of Spidey collectors (they might either like this, or not like this, could go either way).

So I get what UD is doing here. That being said, as mentioned not sure how many kids are actually finding these blasters in stores and opening packs.

[DynaEtch]

Ok, after looking at these yellows in the daylight today vs last night, I think I see the difference. Yellows are a brighter yellow, golds have more of a copper tint. On scans the golds also come out darker. When there isn’t much background foil on the card to tell……use the color of the metal band. If the band is more copperish, it’s a gold.

The scans of the inserts in my 3 blasters (I lightened the pics with photo software, otherwise the golds came out pretty dark)







So the 3 golds here are the Spider-Man (1st page, upper left), Calypso (1st page, bottom mid), and Mr Negative (2nd page, upper left)

So that works out to 18 yellows and 3 golds in 18 packs, which is close to being on odds. Should have been like 4 golds, but either the palladium or retro animated series could have messed with that. 3 grandiose also expected with overall odds 1:6.

I think the stated odds are pretty accurate based on these results.

[YayNJ]

do the blasters worth?

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

do the blasters worth?

If you mean are blasters worth the price, I would say on average the vast number of blasters you will lose money on if you open. Even at $30, but especially at $50-60.

Nevertheless, for set collectors, it can be a fun rip.

[BobCollects]

Thanks to whoever mentioned Barnes & Noble. I checked the store closest to me this morning and got three blaster boxes. All of the trading cards were behind the checkout area. Then I drove to another store. They had trading cards behind the checkout area but not Spider-Man Metal. The cashier checked his computer and couldn't find them.

I doubt I'll be able to get any at Walmart or Target so I then drove back to the first store and bought the other two blaster boxes they had. The cashier there told me trading cards are stocked by an outside vendor so there's no way to know if they'll get a restock of Spider-Man Metal blasters. That probably explains why the cashier at the other store couldn't find them in the Barnes & Noble system.

Does anyone know if MJ Holding stocks Barnes & Noble?

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

If you mean are blasters worth the price, I would say on average the vast number of blasters you will lose money on if you open. Even at $30, but especially at $50-60.

Nevertheless, for set collectors, it can be a fun rip.

Cheers, and they just have the FX cards right, no chance for the "PMG's" from hobby?

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

Cheers, and they just have the FX cards right, no chance for the "PMG's" from hobby?

Yep, no PMGs in retail blasters. They are just in hobby.

Although you have a very long shot at a Platinum Portrait or Sketch card.

[YayNJ]

Cheers. Think I'll give them a miss then from the secondary market.

[1992UDFootball]

Found 8 at a local Target, went ahead and snagged them as there's no way I'm paying whatever for a hobby box.. Not to mention this may be my only opportunity to buy any.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1531669

General rundown. No photos and nothing too crazy. Should be a good start on building a base set though.

[DynaEtch]

A heads up, seeing many listings on eBay advertising a card as the rarer gold, when it definitely looks yellow. Whether intentional or not, who knows, but this seems like a 1994 Masterpieces gold/bronze Holofoil confusion all over again.

It’s not hard to tell with examples of both in front of you. But UD should have just labeled the cards imo.

[1992UDFootball]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

A heads up, seeing many listings on eBay advertising a card as the rarer gold, when it definitely looks yellow. Whether intentional or not, who knows, but this seems like a 1994 Masterpieces gold/bronze Holofoil confusion all over again.

It’s not hard to tell with examples of both in front of you. But UD should have just labeled the cards imo.

UD should have absolutely labeled the parallels. Grandiose cards are labeled as such, but it's a rather obvious parallel.

There's base cards that have backgrounds with the same color schemes as some of the parallels as well, only way to discern the difference is the Metal logo bar's color.

[TimBuckTwo]

Yes why not label them. Save on ink instead.

.05 cents per card x 50000 blasters = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by 1992UDFootball

UD should have absolutely labeled the parallels. Grandiose cards are labeled as such, but it's a rather obvious parallel.

There's base cards that have backgrounds with the same color schemes as some of the parallels as well, only way to discern the difference is the Metal logo bar's color.

Yea, some of the base have solid yellow backgrounds, sheesh. Like you're saying, you can at least immediately tell about those because the gray band.

But gold vs yellow? Cmon lol. Gonna be some confusion with several ebay listings out there.