Corona Virus

[preakness]

Originally Posted by smanzari

They have. There's been such a delayed reaction for a virus with an r naught of 2 - 3.5 (Flu is ~1.2) when there are substantiated rumors of asymptomatic transmission prior to symptoms (which sometimes don't show for 3 weeks), is no proven treatment and so much unknowns including if it stays in the host forever (it is being found in spinal fluid in some cases). Not only are they putting the American People in danger but everyone else around the globe.

So what should have been done?
Nobody leave their house until after they get tested? Then after tested, all that are fine get branded with a scarlet letter on their head clearing them?

People who didn't know they were carriers because they didn't show symptoms and went to work would still happen whether it is trump, Hillary or Howard stern in the WH

Why are some acting like americans are robots and base their daily behaviors and actions on some guy's tweet or sound bite?

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by preakness

Sounds like the majority are old, retired people in retirement homes


Are there vast number of infected people that have gone to work knowing that they are sick and causing others at work to die?

NOOOOOOOO

Good freaking lord, it's not about causing people to die, but it's about people who go to work sick and infect 3 people, who then don't show any signs for a week or two because that's how this virus works, and then they go and infect 10 people each over that time.

So now, because 1 person went to work because the President said it was okay, you have 30 more people who have caught the virus. Then when each of those 30 people infect another 10 people, you now have 300 people sick because of one selfish idiot.

Sure, maybe all of them will live, but if one of them dies, that's acceptable to you because 29 of them lived when if the President hadn't of said something that dumb that one person probably doesn't die?

That's how these things spread, because someone is selfish and says, I'm young and healthy so I'm not going to die because of this so I'm not changing my daily life one bit. It's not about people dying or not right now, it's about stopping the spread of the virus, because the more it spreads, the more likely it is going to reach people who will end up dying because of it.

And don't think for one second that the number of known cases wouldn't be significantly higher if there were more widely available tests.

As of a few days ago less than 2,000 people had been tested in the US, South Korea tests over 10,000 people every single day. The US response and readiness to be able to react to this virus is woefully inadequate and significantly behind other countries.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

NOOOOOOOO

Good freaking lord, it's not about causing people to die, but it's about people who go to work sick and infect 3 people, who then don't show any signs for a week or two because that's how this virus works, and then they go and infect 10 people each over that time.

So now, because 1 person went to work because the President said it was okay, you have 30 more people who have caught the virus. Then when each of those 30 people infect another 10 people, you now have 300 people sick because of one selfish idiot.

Sure, maybe all of them will live, but if one of them dies, that's acceptable to you because 29 of them lived when if the President hadn't of said something that dumb that one person probably doesn't die?

That's how these things spread, because someone is selfish and says, I'm young and healthy so I'm not going to die because of this so I'm not changing my daily life one bit. It's not about people dying or not right now, it's about stopping the spread of the virus, because the more it spreads, the more likely it is going to reach people who will end up dying because of it.

And don't think for one second that the number of known cases wouldn't be significantly higher if there were more widely available tests.

As of a few days ago less than 2,000 people had been tested in the US, South Korea tests over 10,000 people every single day. The US response and readiness to be able to react to this virus is woefully inadequate and significantly behind other countries.

Honestly seems like most people are lazy and stay home from work when they’re sick. Some just want an excuse not to work. I think we’ll all be ok.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by preakness

It cracks me up how some are acting like people were put in so much danger based on how the administration responded.

I'm glad that you're laughing because it really pisses me off how people can put their head in the sand and think they haven't screwed up their readiness to handle this situation.

Just ignorant and flippant to think otherwise.

[bustsomewax]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

NOOOOOOOO

Good freaking lord, it's not about causing people to die, but it's about people who go to work sick and infect 3 people, who then don't show any signs for a week or two because that's how this virus works, and then they go and infect 10 people each over that time.

So now, because 1 person went to work because the President said it was okay, you have 30 more people who have caught the virus. Then when each of those 30 people infect another 10 people, you now have 300 people sick because of one selfish idiot.

Sure, maybe all of them will live, but if one of them dies, that's acceptable to you because 29 of them lived when if the President hadn't of said something that dumb that one person probably doesn't die?

That's how these things spread, because someone is selfish and says, I'm young and healthy so I'm not going to die because of this so I'm not changing my daily life one bit. It's not about people dying or not right now, it's about stopping the spread of the virus, because the more it spreads, the more likely it is going to reach people who will end up dying because of it.

And don't think for one second that the number of known cases wouldn't be significantly higher if there were more widely available tests.

As of a few days ago less than 2,000 people had been tested in the US, South Korea tests over 10,000 people every single day. The US response and readiness to be able to react to this virus is woefully inadequate and significantly behind other countries.

You realize at this point if the number infected doesnt boom this week, that there is no coming back if you are the media. This will just be another fear mongering episode in a long line, the difference being a huge blow economically to multiple industries.

The idea that we are woefully unprepared because the federal government let us down is just a terrible slant. This will be a health event that is managed at the local level, supervised at the state level, and supported at the Federal level.

If this was truly spreading like wildfire we'd also have alot more deaths by now. Let's see where we stand next weekend.

[preakness]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

NOOOOOOOO

Good freaking lord, it's not about causing people to die, but it's about people who go to work sick and infect 3 people, who then don't show any signs for a week or two because that's how this virus works, and then they go and infect 10 people each over that time.

So now, because 1 person went to work because the President said it was okay, you have 30 more people who have caught the virus. Then when each of those 30 people infect another 10 people, you now have 300 people sick because of one selfish idiot.

Sure, maybe all of them will live, but if one of them dies, that's acceptable to you because 29 of them lived when if the President hadn't of said something that dumb that one person probably doesn't die?

That's how these things spread, because someone is selfish and says, I'm young and healthy so I'm not going to die because of this so I'm not changing my daily life one bit. It's not about people dying or not right now, it's about stopping the spread of the virus, because the more it spreads, the more likely it is going to reach people who will end up dying because of it.

And don't think for one second that the number of known cases wouldn't be significantly higher if there were more widely available tests.

As of a few days ago less than 2,000 people had been tested in the US, South Korea tests over 10,000 people every single day. The US response and readiness to be able to react to this virus is woefully inadequate and significantly behind other countries.

I get how diseases spread. LOL

The same number of people would be sick regardless what trump said. Not a single additional person got sick or died because of what trump said.

Nobody who was ill decided to get out of bed and head out into public because of what orange face said.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

You realize at this point if the number infected doesnt boom this week, that there is no coming back if you are the media. This will just be another fear mongering episode in a long line, the difference being a huge blow economically to multiple industries.

The idea that we are woefully unprepared because the federal government let us down is just a terrible slant. This will be a health event that is managed at the local level, supervised at the state level, and supported at the Federal level.

If this was truly spreading like wildfire we'd also have alot more deaths by now. Let's see where we stand next weekend.

you realize that without an adequate number of tests then the numbers can't boom?

And I'd say it going from less than 100 cases a week ago to what, about 450 right now when we've only tested maybe a little over 2,000 people (honestly not sure of the exact number, but i know 2 days ago it was something around 1,800) is a significant increase that can't be dismissed.

Also, you have to give it at least 2-3 weeks, not just one week, since the incubation period can be 2 full weeks before showing any symptoms, so people who may have caught it this week may not show any symptoms for another 2 weeks as is. So with the significant spread that has happened this week, there is a very legitimate and real chance the boom in known cases is still 2 full weeks away.

I'd also hope that we don't see the boom because people have been much smarter and more cautious over this past week, and if that is the case, it doesn't change the fact that the administration was not properly prepared for this.

End result doesn't justify initial response, if I shoot someone and they don't die, it doesn't mean I didn't try to kill them.

[preakness]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

I'm glad that you're laughing because it really pisses me off how people can put their head in the sand and think they haven't screwed up their readiness to handle this situation.

Just ignorant and flippant to think otherwise.

Figure of speech

Even if every American had a test kit in their bathroom, guess what? --- some still would unfortunately due

The test kits don't have some magical cure

I'm pretty sure those that felt sick stayed home and weren't brainwashed by trump to head out into society

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by preakness

I get how diseases spread. LOL

The same number of people would be sick regardless what trump said. Not a single additional person got sick or died because of what trump said.

Nobody who was ill decided to get out of bed and head out into public because of what orange face said.

How in the world can you actually say this and believe it?

There are literally people who have been saying they don't believe the virus is real directly because of what Trump has been saying.

If those same people go to work when they have a runny nose, because they had the virus but didn't believe it, and got other people sick, then yes, it's directly because of what he has said.

This isn't just me saying, "oh I think there are people out there who don't believe what he's saying"... there are ACTUALLY people out there saying they believe him and don't believe this is real, that's not debatable.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by bustsomewax

The idea that we are woefully unprepared because the federal government let us down is just a terrible slant. This will be a health event that is managed at the local level, supervised at the state level, and supported at the Federal level.

I cannot bold this statement enough.

I want everyone to cut out these two sentences and give them to your friends and family. If you believe and/or rely on the federal government to fix what is wrong in your life, whether it be financially, medically, emotionally, or spiritually ... you are looking in the wrong place and you will be let down every, single, time.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by preakness

Figure of speech

Even if every American had a test kit in their bathroom, guess what? --- some still would unfortunately due

The test kits don't have some magical cure

I'm pretty sure those that felt sick stayed home and weren't brainwashed by trump to head out into society

So because you think people are smart enough on their own, you think it's okay for him to say those things and wrong for the media to call him out on it?

That's just asinine

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

There are literally people who have been saying they don't believe the virus is real directly because of what Trump has been saying.[/B]

This isn't just me saying, "oh I think there are people out there who don't believe what he's saying"... there are ACTUALLY people out there saying they believe him and don't believe this is real, that's not debatable.

May I interject here? Who says this ... and can you post evidence of Trump saying the virus is not real?

[preakness]

So America should have tests ready for every American for every possible virus?

Was that the case for all of the other diseases and viruses (swine, bird, SARS, so on) over past 20 years?

Trump's not the leader of Italy yet they have deaths


I don't like trump. As a person he bothers me
big time.

However, imo the media is looking for a reason to blame him for the deaths.

[patchgenie]

[preakness]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

How in the world can you actually say this and believe it?

There are literally people who have been saying they don't believe the virus is real directly because of what Trump has been saying.

If those same people go to work when they have a runny nose, because they had the virus but didn't believe it, and got other people sick, then yes, it's directly because of what he has said.

This isn't just me saying, "oh I think there are people out there who don't believe what he's saying"... there are ACTUALLY people out there saying they believe him and don't believe this is real, that's not debatable.

Who?
Who are these people?
How many?
Trump never said the virus is not real. If some redneck thinks trump said that and believes it to be true, how can trump be blamed for their stupidity

Should Jodie Foster be blamed for Ron reagen shooting?

Oh, and no hospital is wasting a test kit on a runny nose

[asujbl]

My sink stopped working today

I assume we have the virus in Ohio now based on the people buying bottles of water

[preakness]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

So because you think people are smart enough on their own, you think it's okay for him to say those things and wrong for the media to call him out on it?

That's just asinine

He didn't say the virus is made up or a hoax

He said that Democrats would the virus as their next hoax (basically the media and Dems would politicize the coronavirus)

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

May I interject here? Who says this ... and can you post evidence of Trump saying the virus is not real?

I'm not going to go and search and find it because I'm done with this thread and there are just too many videos show up when searching for this stuff and I'm not spending the time watching them to find the ones that show it.

But just the other day a woman was interviewed in line at a Trump rally and she straight up said she doesn't believe that it's real and that it is something that was just made up by the media.

And again, when Trump calls it a hoax in the same sentence as Russia and Impeachment, that is something many of his supporters glob onto as "not real"

Yes..... I know what he was saying, that the "hoax" is how they are trying to spin his response to it, but with how he speaks, how he rambles on with incoherent sentences and combining the virus "hoax" into the same sentence as the other "hoaxes" that he says aren't real things, then unfortunately many of his supporters tie the two together.

Sure, let's say 90% of American's know what he is trying to say, the 10% who don't and take that to believe there is nothing to worry about put the rest of the people at risk.

THAT is why it's a problem, not because most people might be smart enough to do things the right way or know what he is really trying to say, but he's the freaking President, just don't say that stuff, for once just do it the way you're supposed to.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

I'm not going to go and search and find it because I'm done with this thread and there are just too many videos show up when searching for this stuff and I'm not spending the time watching them to find the ones that show it.

For future reference, when the answer to a specific question is "there are too many to mention" ... then you don't have an answer.

With so many available, it's hard to believe you can't offer a single example.

[Astros19]

After many tedious hours of research I believe I've discovered where and how this virus started.

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[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by preakness

Who?
Who are these people?
How many?
Trump never said the virus is not real. If some redneck thinks trump said that and believes it to be true, how can trump be blamed for their stupidity

Should Jodie Foster be blamed for Ron reagen shooting?

Oh, and no hospital is wasting a test kit on a runny nose

Originally Posted by preakness

He didn't say the virus is made up or a hoax

He said that Democrats would the virus as their next hoax (basically the media and Dems would politicize the coronavirus)

This is my final post and I'm done.....

He can be blamed for their stupidity because he didn't need to use that kind of rhetoric, leave that to the talking heads on the news shows. He's the President of the United States, he shouldn't be saying things like that, period.

And no, he hasn't said the virus itself is a hoax, but he 100%, on video, has multiple times said he doesn't think it's that bad, that it will just go away on it's own at some point, that people who are sick are going to work and still getting better, and on and on and on.

If Joe Shmoe says this stuff it's not a big deal, but for the President of the United States of America says those things, its woefully dangerous if even just 1 person believes it.

The majority of people are not as smart as you think they are, it's unfortunate, but it's true, this country (and every country in the world) is filled with millions of just dumb people, it's the way it is. Because of that fact, with a situation that is actually serious, the President MUST be more careful with the words he chooses to use.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by asujbl

My sink stopped working today

I assume we have the virus in Ohio now based on the people buying bottles of water

Have you tried turning it off and then on again?

[bustsomewax]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

you realize that without an adequate number of tests then the numbers can't boom?

And I'd say it going from less than 100 cases a week ago to what, about 450 right now when we've only tested maybe a little over 2,000 people (honestly not sure of the exact number, but i know 2 days ago it was something around 1,800) is a significant increase that can't be dismissed.

Also, you have to give it at least 2-3 weeks, not just one week, since the incubation period can be 2 full weeks before showing any symptoms, so people who may have caught it this week may not show any symptoms for another 2 weeks as is. So with the significant spread that has happened this week, there is a very legitimate and real chance the boom in known cases is still 2 full weeks away.

I'd also hope that we don't see the boom because people have been much smarter and more cautious over this past week, and if that is the case, it doesn't change the fact that the administration was not properly prepared for this.

End result doesn't justify initial response, if I shoot someone and they don't die, it doesn't mean I didn't try to kill them.

Qwest and Lab Corp (3rd party testers) are now able to perform testing. Additionally, your beloved federal government will have 1,000,000 test kits in the field, this week. Testing will not be an issue this week. If it is, then our privatized health care has failed us.

What I believe is most likely to happen is the following:

1. Cases baloon by the end of the week and next.
2. Hyper Awareness increases, hand washing, staying home, limiting any and all social contact that isn't necessary.
3. Temperature/Humidity continues to climb, above seasonal levels across US this week luckily. I do believe this will help slow infection rates. Air moves much faster, increased humidity and UV levels are not good conduits for any virus.
4. Virus peaks by early April.

What remains to be seen is how much self inflicted damage the media has done to the economy. However you could argue their fear mongering has helped fuel point #2, which in reality, is only way at this point the virus truly burns itself out.

[Timmay]

[oldgoldy97]

I had to look it up: the US ranks 27th in average IQ.