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[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

Yes, but privilege still applies. A person served a subpoena still has the right to assert that certain documents that fall under the subpoena are privileged, and thus can be withheld.


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Yes you are correct.

[tke1600]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I don't know what the FBI did. My point here is to show that Wikileaks cannot provide a smoking gun and I'm not trying to argue that Clinton is innocent. Simply that to suggest WikiLeaks has proven she did something illegal ... no.

The only assumption that fits that she has done nothing illegal from what we've seen so far is that her closest staff makes all of the decisions and shares absolutely nothing of the findings with her. Even though that is impossible, but a legal technicality, (like saying "I don't recall" to even the most basic of questions), all the FBI has to do is go back to testimony from her staff and fill in all the gaps that they left out and then go from there to get to Hillary.

To add to this, a main reason we have a criminal justice system and departments like the DOJ and FBI is because a criminal will rarely say "Yes I'm guilty and here is the video." Almost every time you have to put all the evidence together and take it to a jury like they should have with Hillary.

[NeedChapmans]

Wikileaks drips vs. Trump sexual misconduct drips. Now with Gloria Allred. (I smell money!)

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Wikileaks drips vs. Trump sexual misconduct drips. Now with Gloria Allred. (I smell money!)

Funny. I smell bs.

[trixstar]

Trump actually said in a speech today that if he were going to do something like that she wouldn't be his first choice....

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Trump actually said in a speech today that if he were going to do something like that she wouldn't be his first choice....

I believe it.

[tke1600]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Trump actually said in a speech today that if he were going to do something like that she wouldn't be his first choice....

He is not speaking to the ultra sensitive, CNN watching, NYT reading liberal at this point.

[RossOK]

For somebody who accuses his opponent of having bad judgment, he sure makes a lot of bad decisions when it comes to responding to these sexual assault claims.

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Well, she has known for the last year. And again for the 6th time, no witnesses, no possible way of debunking the story. The hire of Gloria Allred is odd though, why go for money today and not 10 years ago?

In 15 years when I'm hopefully moving my daughter out of our house permanently; the first thing I'm going to have to reminder her is "If a billionaire sexually harrassess you, let me know, OK?" Seems like all of these victims never got the message.

No witnesses, but several people corroborating that she has told this story for years. She was even hesitant to go public. The newspaper contacted her. She's not even a Hillary supporter. My assumption: Just a regular old sexual assault victim, coming forward because she feels empowered by all the other women coming forward.


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[tke1600]

Originally Posted by RossOK

I don't dispute that, though swap "Clinton News Network watching" for "NPR listening."



Maybe all of these women are coming out in droves now because sexual assault is traumatizing and they feel empowered to finally speak up when they realize they aren't alone?

That's exactly what the media wants people to think. We'll see how much it works.

[natbornkiller]

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

No witnesses, but several people corroborating that she has told this story for years. She was even hesitant to go public. The newspaper contacted her. She's not even a Hillary supporter. My assumption: Just a regular old sexual assault victim, coming forward because she feels empowered by all the other women coming forward.


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Just a regular ole' sexual assault victim who decided to hire Gloria Allred and hold a press conference to announce the details of her harrowing experience. Of course, said lawyer made casual mention that two people she spoke with can corroborate she spoke of the story.

Am I wrong here? If I was the friend, father, brother, whatever of someone who came to me and said DONALD TRUMP ASSAULTED ME ... would I just do nothing? Who are these people all of these women confided in who decided to tell them just brush it off?

It's so illogical it hurts my head thinking about it.

[HillbillyCletus]

Has anyone seen the video of Obama flaunting his erection on the plane? Was it Air Force I?

[tke1600]

Originally Posted by HillbillyCletus

Has anyone seen the video of Obama flaunting his erection on the plane? Was it Air Force I?

There is so much buried stuff like this video, or if it's published, it's brushed off as a prank or funny if you're part of the Establishment party. If it was Trump, there would be 7 lawsuits filed by all the female airline attendants and there would be calls for him to step down as racist, misogynist, sexual predator.

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Just a regular ole' sexual assault victim who decided to hire Gloria Allred and hold a press conference to announce the details of her harrowing experience. Of course, said lawyer made casual mention that two people she spoke with can corroborate she spoke of the story.

Am I wrong here? If I was the friend, father, brother, whatever of someone who came to me and said DONALD TRUMP ASSAULTED ME ... would I just do nothing? Who are these people all of these women confided in who decided to tell them just brush it off?

It's so illogical it hurts my head thinking about it.

I've never been sexually assaulted so I can't claim to know how I would react in that situation. The problem is, so many people have no qualms about just jumping on in and saying "I would do this" or "I'd never do that" when they honestly don't know what their own state of mind would be like. Say you were assaulted and had to ponder your next move.



Does this give you confidence that reporting your assault will be worth the torment of reliving it every time it's recounted in court and in the media, the flood of insults and shaming from the public calling you a liar or slut, and the cost of having your life upended during litigation? What happens if you go through all of that and you still don't get justice?

[xbignick]

Lol.

[trixstar]

RE: the Obama "erection"

Video Emerges Showing Obama Flaunting Erection to Female Staffers? : snopes.com

[xbignick]

Originally Posted by RossOK

...the flood of insults and shaming from the public calling you a liar or slut, and the cost of having your life upended during litigation? What happens if you go through all of that and you still don't get justice?

We've seen two different responses so far.

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by xbignick

We've seen two different responses so far.

I'm not sure what your comment means but that video is evidence to prove my point. People bend over backwards to make excuses for men that assault women. And in doing so, they broadcast to men that that's acceptable behavior because they keep getting away with it. Denigrating Bill Clinton's accusers is just as bad as denigrating Trump's.

Seriously, everybody keeps asking "Why are these women coming out with these claims?" instead of asking "Why is sexual assault so prevalent?" Maybe if men would respect women as actual human beings, sexual assault wouldn't be so common and when somebody makes a claim they've been assaulted, we might actually try to figure out the truth instead of just painting them as greedy liars.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by RossOK

I've never been sexually assaulted so I can't claim to know how I would react in that situation. The problem is, so many people have no qualms about just jumping on in and saying "I would do this" or "I'd never do that" when they honestly don't know what their own state of mind would be like. Say you were assaulted and had to ponder your next move.

Does this give you confidence that reporting your assault will be worth the torment of reliving it every time it's recounted in court and in the media, the flood of insults and shaming from the public calling you a liar or slut, and the cost of having your life upended during litigation? What happens if you go through all of that and you still don't get justice?

Nice graphic about rape, something that none of these women have reported. But if you'd like to take a few minutes and realize why what you posted is incorrect, you should read this:

The Enliven Project's false rape accusations infographic: great intentions, but it isn't accurate.

Powerful, terribly inaccurate graphic. Nice try Mr. Media.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by trixstar

RE: the Obama "erection"

Video Emerges Showing Obama Flaunting Erection to Female Staffers? : snopes.com

Another blatant liberal "news" outlet trying to shift our attention away from the TRUTH! Clearly Obama thrust his wang into the face of every woman on that plane.

[oldgoldy97]

I'll say this: if Hill wins, I hope the Republicans keep control of congress.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by HillbillyCletus

Has anyone seen the video of Obama flaunting his erection on the plane? Was it Air Force I?

Originally Posted by tke1600

There is so much buried stuff like this video, or if it's published, it's brushed off as a prank or funny if you're part of the Establishment party. If it was Trump, there would be 7 lawsuits filed by all the female airline attendants and there would be calls for him to step down as racist, misogynist, sexual predator.

It's like watching Trump supporters give birth to stereotypes in real-time.

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Nice graphic about rape, something that none of these women have reported. But if you'd like to take a few minutes and realize why what you posted is incorrect, you should read this:

The Enliven Project's false rape accusations infographic: great intentions, but it isn't accurate.

Powerful, terribly inaccurate graphic. Nice try Mr. Media.

Ah, ok. I guess the graphic isn't 100% accurate. Still, though, from your link (which I will remember next time somebody barks that Slate isn't credible):

Emphasis mine. According to the document, 2-8 percent of reported rapes are false, but the number that are false accusations is smaller. Women who make false reports want sympathy, and as victims of real rapes can tell you, accusing a real man usually gets you very little.

As I said above, the Enliven Project has the best intentions and they're on the right path. It is true that most rapes go unreported, that the public believes false accusations are exponentially more common than they actually are, and that a man's chances of being falsely accused of rape are incredibly small. All these things are important to convey, and an infographic is a great way to do it. Just fix the graphic, and the public will learn a lot.

Also, I think it's a disservice to act like rape and sexual assault are two completely disparate things. They're people (usually men) imposing their will onto somebody else against their wishes and physically violating their person. For guys that stop at grabbing a woman's breast or genitals, or kissing them without consent, it's because they can get away with it a little easier.

[oldgoldy97]

Would any man be opposed to Jennifer Aniston acting like she did in that movie Horrible Bosses?