Connor Bedard

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by mbrahv1984

Can I ask why? I'm new to hockey collecting, so I'm genuinely curious.

O-Pee Chee is a lower end set similar to Score in football or Hoops in basketball. It is one of the first sets with the "new" class of rookies so they do good initially but quickly get overshadowed by other releases like Prizm etc does to those other brands, it's also considered a "kids" or "collectors" set which has been declared a bad thing in the hobby. For those reasons it's not considered a great hold, same as people prob wouldn't suggest holding a Wemby Hoops, although these same people likely won't admit what they sold their Mahomes or Mcdavid Score/OPC for compared to now lol. The last part goes for everything on here, it's basically the board motto, you'll be seeing the same said about his YG, people have FOMO so it does make sense to sell while hot and buy back down the road, but there's exceptions. Collect what you like though, I think anything numbered or SSP like the 3D or Blank Backs are ok holds, and even anything base in Chicago and not Team Canada isn't terrible. If buying though I think Series 2 release will be a sweet spot, not much time until then for Bedard to get THAT many more point lol and everyone will be panic selling to pay for S2/because his YG is out.

[Yaga]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

O-Pee Chee is a lower end set similar to Score in football or Hoops in basketball. It is one of the first sets with the "new" class of rookies so they do good initially but quickly get overshadowed by other releases like Prizm etc does to those other brands, it's also considered a "kids" or "collectors" set which has been declared a bad thing in the hobby. For those reasons it's not considered a great hold, same as people prob wouldn't suggest holding a Wemby Hoops, although these same people likely won't admit what they sold their Mahomes or Mcdavid Score/OPC for compared to now lol. The last part goes for everything on here, it's basically the board motto, you'll be seeing the same said about his YG, people have FOMO so it does make sense to sell while hot and buy back down the road, but there's exceptions. Collect what you like though, I think anything numbered or SSP like the 3D or Blank Backs are ok holds, and even anything base in Chicago and not Team Canada isn't terrible. If buying though I think Series 2 release will be a sweet spot, not much time until then for Bedard to get THAT many more point lol and everyone will be panic selling to pay for S2/because his YG is out.

What do you think of the base rainbow #/350? Is it something that would be a good one down the road? I tend to lean more towards serial numbered cards and I think these look pretty sharp.

[ThatGuyPal]

There's nothing wrong with it, it's a nice card, Chicago uni and serial numbered but I don't feel it's a great hold value wise even if he does live up to expectations. It's just too high-numbered imo, anything /100 less or the draft pick redemption from collecting the puzzle pieces would be my holds from OPC. You may be able to stand out abit if you grade and get a 10 and POP is low down the road, that may add some value (likely why people are paying so much for PSA 10 SP-1) but other than that peak is probably now right before the YG's. I hate being "that guy" but I'd prob sell now, buy a YG, keep that as the centepiece than gage the market and if the /350 goes down in the summer and it's a card you do really like and believe in buy it back. Also not sure if you pulled, considering purchasing or what but don't forget there's a whole year of releases coming, people get caught up in the first "products with Bedard" but there will be so many different cards you may pull or like better still to come. See what the market looks like once say half of his rookies have released and you may change your mind or see something you think is an even better hold. I praise OPC because this year it provides a good return if you're ripping and selling right away, but I don't praise it because I think it has cards that will be worth thousands down the line.

[anusinha]

See what a McDavid/Matthews OPC RC sells for these days and figure that as the peak value for a Bedard. The pop on those guys will be 20% of what the Bedard is.

[CanadianKid]

I love Bedard but a serious convo should be had about the absolute stupid money being paid. When a guy half way through his rc season breaking no records but performing well is selling for more than McDavid etc ... what do you think is going to happen?

If Bedard (unlike to win a cup for several years if at all) shows over the next 5 years+ he is McDavid level player I can justify, until that time the spec is so high it has no where to go but down.

[drcanada]

There's actually a significant piece of info that people are forgetting about Bedards OPC RC. It's that he's in the base OPC product. OPC has a fairly small print run. Matthews/McDavid were both in the OPC Update from UD2. Smaller rookie checklist in a larger printed product. I would bet that there will be more Bedard UD2 YGs printed than his OPC RC.

[rizzeedizzee]

Originally Posted by CanadianKid

I love Bedard but a serious convo should be had about the absolute stupid money being paid. When a guy half way through his rc season breaking no records but performing well is selling for more than McDavid etc ... what do you think is going to happen?

If Bedard (unlike to win a cup for several years if at all) shows over the next 5 years+ he is McDavid level player I can justify, until that time the spec is so high it has no where to go but down.

If a player is highly touted, comparisons are immediately drawn to GOATs in the sport, and his card values reflect a baked in level of significant success upon release, plus are high due to the comparatively higher cost of product versus prior seasons. It's occurred many times in other sports, but this is really the first instance for hockey.

I won't say there is nowhere for prices to go but down; however, since this phenomena began to take hold, far more haven't lived up to expectations than have. Or to put it another way, Bedard base YG likely fetch $500-1000 upon release due to the hype plus secondary market box pricing. But I find it difficult to envision what he could do, short of winning a scoring title or the Stanley Cup, for it to be worth even close to that much a year later. In fact, it might take multiple scoring titles or Cup wins to get back to break even.

[Yaga]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

There's nothing wrong with it, it's a nice card, Chicago uni and serial numbered but I don't feel it's a great hold value wise even if he does live up to expectations. It's just too high-numbered imo, anything /100 less or the draft pick redemption from collecting the puzzle pieces would be my holds from OPC. You may be able to stand out abit if you grade and get a 10 and POP is low down the road, that may add some value (likely why people are paying so much for PSA 10 SP-1) but other than that peak is probably now right before the YG's. I hate being "that guy" but I'd prob sell now, buy a YG, keep that as the centepiece than gage the market and if the /350 goes down in the summer and it's a card you do really like and believe in buy it back. Also not sure if you pulled, considering purchasing or what but don't forget there's a whole year of releases coming, people get caught up in the first "products with Bedard" but there will be so many different cards you may pull or like better still to come. See what the market looks like once say half of his rookies have released and you may change your mind or see something you think is an even better hold. I praise OPC because this year it provides a good return if you're ripping and selling right away, but I don't praise it because I think it has cards that will be worth thousands down the line.

Great info thank you!

[vthobby]

3 more points tonite for Connor!

[CanadianKid]

Originally Posted by rizzeedizzee

If a player is highly touted, comparisons are immediately drawn to GOATs in the sport, and his card values reflect a baked in level of significant success upon release, plus are high due to the comparatively higher cost of product versus prior seasons. It's occurred many times in other sports, but this is really the first instance for hockey.

I won't say there is nowhere for prices to go but down; however, since this phenomena began to take hold, far more haven't lived up to expectations than have. Or to put it another way, Bedard base YG likely fetch $500-1000 upon release due to the hype plus secondary market box pricing. But I find it difficult to envision what he could do, short of winning a scoring title or the Stanley Cup, for it to be worth even close to that much a year later. In fact, it might take multiple scoring titles or Cup wins to get back to break even.

Completely agree! I hope all the best for him but yes, bar is so high to maintain this level of value.

[ThatGuyPal]

Goals in 2/3 games since returning, 6 points, still leading rookies in points despite being injured and clear rookie of the year still...

Yeah this kid sucks don't waste your money guys lol

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by CanadianKid

I love Bedard but a serious convo should be had about the absolute stupid money being paid. When a guy half way through his rc season breaking no records but performing well is selling for more than McDavid etc ... what do you think is going to happen?

If Bedard (unlike to win a cup for several years if at all) shows over the next 5 years+ he is McDavid level player I can justify, until that time the spec is so high it has no where to go but down.

Yep, anyone paying attention knows people will lose a lot of money.

Hasn't stopped members here from pumping it up.

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

Yep, anyone paying attention knows people will lose a lot of money.

Hasn't stopped members here from pumping it up.

It's gonna be fun!

[Philobut]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

Yep, anyone paying attention knows people will lose a lot of money.

Hasn't stopped members here from pumping it up.

Agreed. I do think though that the Bedard prices will make other prices go up. When people see that you can buy a McDavid rookie cheaper than Bedard, I think you'll see star players have a rise in their prices.

[kellmuff]

imagine what that gold 1/1 YG goes for if it even gets hit and doesnt sit in a sealed box for 20-30 years

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by Philobut

Agreed. I do think though that the Bedard prices will make other prices go up. When people see that you can buy a McDavid rookie cheaper than Bedard, I think you'll see star players have a rise in their prices.

That's not really how it works with sports cards.

[JohnnyAppleseed]

Originally Posted by Bcr

That's not really how it works with sports cards.

Bedard's OPC RC prices on release did cause McDavid's OPC rookie to spike, as McDavid's was going for about 2/3rds of Bedard's. How long this price jump holds is another story. People do tend to notice market inefficiencies like this.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by JohnnyAppleseed

Bedard's OPC RC prices on release did cause McDavid's OPC rookie to spike, as McDavid's was going for about 2/3rds of Bedard's. How long this price jump holds is another story. People do tend to notice market inefficiencies like this.

correlation does not imply causation

[ThatGuyPal]

People are never going to admit being wrong on here despite corrections lol

Same as people who go "Hurr hurr Bedard more than Mcdavid OMFG" when I'm pretty sure Bedard's YG won't go as high as $800 which a Mcdavid YG sells for.

[JohnnyAppleseed]

Originally Posted by Bcr

correlation does not imply causation

Give me a better theory then.

[blackbears86]

I agree with sentiments here about OPC, but it's also about buy in price.


I was at a show this weekend and bought two OPC boxes for $110 a piece. I'll take that for even this "lower tier" product and let it sit on my shelf for 10+ years.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I was at a show this weekend and bought two OPC boxes for $110 a piece. I'll take that for even this "lower tier" product and let it sit on my shelf for 10+ years.

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[jmarascojr]

I'll be shocked if I even see blasters or tins at my local Walmart/Target...

If I do, I may grab some just for FOMO, but I have a feeling I won't see anything...

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by jmarascojr

I'll be shocked if I even see blasters or tins at my local Walmart/Target...

If I do, I may grab some just for FOMO, but I have a feeling I won't see anything...

I feel the same.

[ZappBrannigan]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

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Net you an extra 100$? lol. 10 years. 10$ a year.