Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[BlowoutBuzz]

Originally Posted by blakejamieson

Don't make Yankees or Dodgers cards, they say*

*verbally only, not with their wallets.

Well, honestly, the deluge of Yankees and Dodgers day after day up until the last couple weeks or so pretty much turned me off as a buyer overall for the series. (Not stopped but definitely slowed until issue was seemingly addressed.) I'm way down from last year for example ... though, yep, at least one of my buys has been a Yankee. (Beck Mantle.)

My gut feeling is that the Yankees-Dodgers issue wore some other people out, too. It's not a new issue (sales vs. representation with MLB merch, coverage, etc.) but the percentage here seemed abnormally high -- and the top three worst-sellers so far are also telling ... reinforcing that perhaps there were too many. (Imagine the percentage of Yankees/Dodgers/Mets here applied to a pack and then imagine opening pack after pack that way. Not fun.)

Low sellers
1. 1986 Gerrit Cole by New York Nico -- 1,100 (Yankees)
2. 1989 Matt Kemp by Mimsbandz -- 1,116 (Dodgers)
3. 2016 CC Sabathia by Joshua Vides -- 1,162 (Yankees)

[Silas Barnaby]

Originally Posted by Oliroller

Topps really doesn't have a clue do they?

I've heard that nobody at Topps knows anything about baseball or baseball cards.

[JRX]

400 art cards were a lot last year, but the project was designed to drive collectability, player/artist etc. Without that element built into the design of the project, the pr would have been much lower last year imo.

[Oliroller]

Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

I've heard that nobody at Topps knows anything about baseball or baseball cards.

Where is TBP today? I'm sure he loves this 4 pack

[ThoseBackPages]

wow, 0 for 20 this week

[cnote81]

I don't hate the English Bench. Guessing thats supposed tk be Warhol?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by cnote81

I don't hate the English Bench. Guessing thats supposed tk be Warhol?

i dont either, but id never spend $20 for one lol

[ptbbreaks]

Wow! Sports Illustrated write up.




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[Silas Barnaby]

Originally Posted by ptbbreaks

Wow! Sports Illustrated write up.

Gary V and SCI getting on board?

Let me know if anyone spots any steals on eBay!

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by JRX

400 art cards were a lot last year, but the project was designed to drive collectability, player/artist etc. Without that element built into the design of the project, the pr would have been much lower last year imo.

100%....I miss the 'feel' of P2020...P70 seems scattered, imo. Doesn't hold the collectability or value that P2020 did for me.

[Shinjoy]

Originally Posted by JRX

I think he just hates the Yankees since his last two cards while not my cup of tea aren't offensive to the player.

The tessellated home plate image in the background of the Bench card looks groovy. But, I miss the out-of-control, offensive Ron English of his first two cards. I wonder if the fury over the Yogi card made him change his direction.

[cnote81]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i dont either, but id never spend $20 for one lol

Yeah me neither. Especially since he could flip back to making atrocious looking babies at any time, leaving me with one out of place card in my collection. My ocd twitches just thinking about it.

[salthill]

Originally Posted by cnote81

And honestly, who here trusts that Topps won't be cranking out another project right after 70s completion.

PRs in the last couple of weeks of P70 should determine that. But they may not, as if Topps wanted to roll into another project they’d have to line it up earlier than that.

Originally Posted by cnote81

I've said before that I think the future floor is even lower than 800.

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

I have always believed that the collector market for the bottom barrel cards is 800 flat. I know that's really unpopular.

I think it’s much lower than 800.
But even at 800 per, this is still likely a very profitable release.
Sold the cheapest way (individual ten packs), that’s still $11.6k per card, or $46.4K revenue per day.

[ThoseBackPages]

there's nothing wrong with the Keith Shore today either, but i just bought TEN Keith Shore cards for $20

[BlowoutBuzz]

Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

100%....I miss the 'feel' of P2020...P70 seems scattered, imo. Doesn't hold the collectability or value that P2020 did for me.

I prefer things more wide open than locked into 20 cards where, basically, I might not care for 15 of them. That said, I think the subject -- teams and players -- have to be managed to make sure it makes sense.

One recent example that left me scratching my head beyond Yankees-Dodgers issue? Frank Viola. Never been a player on cards ... I'm not sure I'd put/allow him in this set at all unless there was some really amazing concept fueling his inclusion. (For example, Coco Crisp is not a big name at all big-picture, but the 'Fro card is a nod to his epic 'fro and Oscar Gamble so it works.)

[BlowoutBuzz]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

there's nothing wrong with the Keith Shore today either, but i just bought TEN Keith Shore cards for $20

It's smart in a few ways ... I just don't have a need for any Freeman cards. If it was in front of me and cheap I might grab but not really a need at the SRP.

[Silas Barnaby]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

there's nothing wrong with the Keith Shore today either, but i just bought TEN Keith Shore cards for $20

Which ones?

[aeast317]

Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

Which ones?

I assume the first wave of 89 Bowman

[JRX]

I do think there is a lot of burnout with this. We're getting close to card 200, if this was a 400 card set it would be "ok, its a lot but we're almost half way there and doing 20 cards a week so it won't be too much longer" Instead, we're not even at the 20% mark.

[Cliffroach]

Originally Posted by ptbbreaks

Wow! Sports Illustrated write up.




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TIL that Sports Illustrated still exists.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

Which ones?

wave one of his 1989 Bowman Set

[Silas Barnaby]

Originally Posted by BlowoutBuzz

One recent example that left me scratching my head beyond Yankees-Dodgers issue? Frank Viola. Never been a player on cards ... I'm not sure I'd put/allow him in this set at all unless there was some really amazing concept fueling his inclusion. (For example, Coco Crisp is not a big name at all big-picture, but the 'Fro card is a nod to his epic 'fro and Oscar Gamble so it works.)

A nod to Coco Crisp's epic run and Oscar Gamble meets the standard of a 'really amazing concept'?

[kevbojones]

For anyone who might be interested, here's my first batch of cards from Wheeler.

I share some thoughts and observations on p70

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcoaBAqBotI&t=757s

[Silas Barnaby]

Originally Posted by aeast317

I assume the first wave of 89 Bowman

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

wave one of his 1989 Bowman Set

Phew!

I haven't checked eBay in a while and was worried you were going to say Shore McGwire, Gibson, Mattingly...

[aeast317]

Originally Posted by Randallk34

What's with the "ben baller did the card"?

Is this like an inside joke i don't know about? Is this one of his "things" he does? I don't get it, it ruins the card

It is a play on "Ben Baller did the chain"

I absolutely LOVE the Baller Matsui card. I was wondering if we may get some anime style art having like Toy Tokyo in the set and stuff and I'm stoked we have some here