Skybox 2024 1992 MM Platinum

[bub838]

Why have I gotten three trade requests for base cards all of a sudden?

[Talyn]

Man I don’t know why but it really bothers me that they didn’t use the original art for these cards but instead seemed to have used scans of the final cards. You can see in the battle spectras that the etching design that was printed in the foil on the original cards is part of the printed designs on these new ones, despite those areas not actually being etched or embossed. Pretty lazy.

[DynaEtch]

An uncirculated surfer Holofoil I got from COMC (sheesh lol).

Yea I think any Holofoil originating from epack will probably look like this on the top/bottom centering.



I’m not exactly much of a grader, but I think these Holofoils will be rare breeds to find in a PSA 10. Like to the point of scarce. The ones in physical tend to have busted up corners or edge chipping…and the ones on ePack will have the terrible centering.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Talyn

Man I don’t know why but it really bothers me that they didn’t use the original art for these cards but instead seemed to have used scans of the final cards. You can see in the battle spectras that the etching design that was printed in the foil on the original cards is part of the printed designs on these new ones, despite those areas not actually being etched or embossed. Pretty lazy.

It’s on a chrome card now, so I don’t think that would even have been an option if they wanted to. Chrome is a totally different thing than etched foil and can’t be combined as far as I know.

I’m ok with it…obviously the original (non-chrome) 92s are the best, but it’s a different take all shiny and chrome and I think they turned out solid. The one UD missed with the battles is not having the various parallels besides just rainbow (but my wallet is thankful at least).

[Jamesebee]

Originally Posted by bub838

Why have I gotten three trade requests for base cards all of a sudden?

People are probably trying to Mini Box and Kaleidoscope their digibase...

[Talyn]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

It’s on a chrome card now, so I don’t think that would even have been an option if they wanted to. Chrome is a totally different thing than etched foil and can’t be combined as far as I know.

I’m ok with it…obviously the original (non-chrome) 92s are the best, but it’s a different take all shiny and chrome and I think they turned out solid. The one UD missed with the battles is not having the various parallels besides just rainbow (but my wallet is thankful at least).

I’m not saying they should have been etched, I’m saying since they’re not they should have used the original artwork seen in the collection comics, instead they seemed to have used a scan of the etched card so you still see the etched designs in the print even though the card actually isn’t. It looks weird.

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by Talyn

I’m not saying they should have been etched, I’m saying since they’re not they should have used the original artwork seen in the collection comics, instead they seemed to have used a scan of the etched card so you still see the etched designs in the print even though the card actually isn’t. It looks weird.

I wonder if has to do with different file types being needed for the two different production techniques. For example, you can produce essentially identical parts using 3D printing and CNC cutting, but each requires different file types and conversion between the types is not always straight-forward. I have no idea if this applies, but it is a feasible scenario especially considering how long ago the original art files were produced and the possibility of preliminary legacy files that may have been better suited getting lost over time. This theory could also explain why no parallels because they didn't have access with proper layers to work with.

[Talyn]

Yeah i would think since that big book just came out with all the art they would have access to all that, but who knows. I just know it would have looked a lot better with the original non-etched card than using a scan of etching that isnt physically present on the card.




Also went back to Walmart and grabbed the other blaster they had, did pretty good again. Cant believe between 2 boxes i got 2 spidermans, a venom, wolverine and spidey vs venom.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Talyn

Yeah i would think since that big book just came out with all the art they would have access to all that, but who knows. I just know it would have looked a lot better with the original non-etched card than using a scan of etching that isnt physically present on the card.




Also went back to Walmart and grabbed the other blaster they had, did pretty good again. Cant believe between 2 boxes i got 2 spidermans, a venom, wolverine and spidey vs venom.

I see what you’re saying now. Maybe UD just wanted to retain a quasi-etched looked with the battles. It sort of works. But I suspect it’s also what the other poster said and logistics of acquiring scans and differing data formats, etc. FPG itself had a difficult time acquiring many of the scans (and I’m not convinced they did get them all either based on the variable quality of images in that book). If you look at the Surfer vs Thanos pic in that book for example, it’s a lower quality image.

You crushed it the characters in that box…the big 3 in one box!

In case you’re wondering the latest estimates of the purple crystal variant cover /25 (“the”chase of blasters) is around 1 in 30 boxes or so.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Oh I’m barely expecting anything. Imagine doing a break (which I never do), and somehow hitting a red PMG of my character- Sauron….and it is this right from the pack (evidenced on video too)-





Card has a major bend all the way down the center-left, making the card essentially 2-tiered, which I tried to show in second pic. It’s in poor condition. Not major potatoes, but not exactly small either.

Well I’m right there with you Fenian, looks like we got the shaft from UD.

They won’t do anything for either the busted PMG above or the missing card in my blaster pack/case causing a missing purple. Even though the Sauron was filmed live being opened from a pack, they won’t accept it, and it has to be bought directly from a Diamond dealer. Do anything else- if you buy a box or case of anything UD Marvel on eBay and out pops poor condition bent cards or GI Joe cards by mistake (I kid but you get the point)….its buyer beware and you’re totally out of luck.

A nice thanks from UD at the end of the Marvel run, after having spent thousands and thousands on their marvel card products going back to 2007MM nearly two decades ago, not making right a couple manufacturing mistakes on their part totaling <$100. Yay UD

Edit: vid of the sauron pmg pull (35:00 mark)

[Bunny Hop]

awful. That's super frustrating, Dyna. That whole Diamond Dealer thing is silly -- it's too far outside of customer purchasing concerns/knowledge.

[Fenian95]

That sucks Dyna. I'd open another case with UD but specifically mention missing cards perhaps.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Bunny Hop

awful. That's super frustrating, Dyna. That whole Diamond Dealer thing is silly -- it's too far outside of customer purchasing concerns/knowledge.

Agree about the Diamond thing and silliness…if I’m a company and have the link right in front of me of the busted card coming from a pack, I’m making it right, and I think other card manufacturers largely would as well. We’re talking like a..idk…$80 card here and not a $2500 card, not that price should matter.

And thanks Fenian….I kinda combined both the requests into one email to them…probably should have separated them but oh well. After giving a long detailed description of the situation, pics of the damage, YouTube link to the pull, even some of my history of buying UD marvel products over decades, I got a terse reply essentially just saying they won’t do anything. It is what it is….again, thankful it wasn’t Spider-Man or Wolvie! definitely a caution to anyone considering buying into a UD break though.

[Fenian95]

Here's a Wolverine Holofoil that someone elite scanned on COMC.

Yikes, what would you call this centering? 85/15 lol.

Not sure if I want to trade mine or try my luck on an elite scan.

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by Fenian95

Here's a Wolverine Holofoil that someone elite scanned on COMC.

Yikes, what would you call this centering? 85/15 lol.

Not sure if I want to trade mine or try my luck on an elite scan.

77/23(ish). Haha. Yeah, ePack Holofoils are definitely a mess. Personally, I'd stick to NOT scanning any already on COMC and trying to fence them on there. If you send to auction(they're still running a promo where you don't have to scan the card in...), you're bound to get an item not as described return. They'll probably just use the stock image scan and then send out one of those horrible O/C cards to an unsuspecting eBay buyer. Sad.

I mentioned it many many pages ago but if you can nab any Holofoil PSA 10's, especially of PC cards, probably do it when you see them. They'll be few and far between, if I had to guess.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Fenian95

Here's a Wolverine Holofoil that someone elite scanned on COMC.

Yikes, what would you call this centering? 85/15 lol.

Not sure if I want to trade mine or try my luck on an elite scan.

Geez….more like 90/10 lol.

I think every Holofoil I’ve seen to date elite scanned on comc looks like this. And also the couple I’ve had sent home. All the same…awful top/bottom centering. If you elite scan it, it’ll almost certainly look like this.

I’m currently debating completing my Holofoil set by buying singles on ebay of physical origin (more expensive), or picking most up on comc for a lot cheaper (but all off-centered). Tough call.

[orion9578]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Geez….more like 95/5 lol.

I think every Holofoil I’ve seen to date elite scanned on comc looks like this. And also the couple I’ve had sent home. All the same…awful top/bottom centering. If you elite scan it, it’ll almost certainly look like this.

I’m currently debating completing my Holofoil set by buying singles on ebay of physical origin (more expensive), or picking most up on comc for a lot cheaper (but all off-centered). Tough call.

OC totally kills it for me. If I can glance at a card and it's that blatant...I just pass. Of course that's assuming it's not something SP'ed, maybe /10 or less, then you're "forced" most likely to just accept it .

And the Wolverine(and all of them really), aren't nearly as bad as they look...



Handy little site if you guys buying online cards need to do a quick check on centering:

https://edgegrading.com/centering/

Is it perfect? Probably not...especially when a card isn't "centered" in a scan, but it works in a pinch. I use to all the time for buying online when I'm thinking about grading. Purely 9's and 10's netted using that tool for centering

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by orion9578

OC totally kills it for me. If I can glance at a card and it's that blatant...I just pass. Of course that's assuming it's not something SP'ed, maybe /10 or less, then you're "forced" most likely to just accept it .

And the Wolverine(and all of them really), aren't nearly as bad as they look...



Handy little site if you guys buying online cards need to do a quick check on centering:

https://edgegrading.com/centering/

Is it perfect? Probably not...especially when a card isn't "centered" in a scan, but it works in a pinch. I use to all the time for buying online when I'm thinking about grading. Purely 9's and 10's netted using that tool for centering

Ah good call. That’s a handy application.

What misled me was I was going off the bottom of the “Marvel Masterpieces 92 Platinum” and not the bottom line of the box. I’d argue these holofoils look much worse centering than the approx 77/23ish that they actually are, because of that.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Ah good call. That’s a handy application.



What misled me was I was going off the bottom of the “Marvel Masterpieces 92 Platinum” and not the bottom line of the box. I’d argue these holofoils look much worse centering than the approx 77/23ish that they actually are, because of that.

a lot of the cards in general can be misleading, because the image isn't always contained within the box. so if you have one like this Surfer where the image bleeds outside the box, and are going purely off the black space as a border, it looks OC. if you're going off the gold box, centering is fine. we'll see how it actually gets graded with PSA

[Bunny Hop]

Mailing back my OC base cards this weekend. Will continue to update with how it shakes out.

[Jamesebee]

Look, marginally crummy parallel scans aside, my COMC order arrived and shows decent centering on both Mini Boxes and Kaleidoscopic parallels, but Holofoils are extremely miscut. Thankfully I didn't pay the extra money to rescan as elite (these are all PC cards), but the PMG's were in good shape. The backs of the Holofoil cards show how close the card # is to the border much better than the fronts have shown.

If anyone wants more detailed scans let me know! I just downscaled these so they'd fit in a post.

[DynaEtch]

Good info…and pretty rad rainbows too!

Kinda confirms the whole holofoils-are-terrible thing. At least the mini boxes and kaleidoscopes turned out good- they are only from epack, so if those were bad, there would be no good versions of those cards. At least with Holofoil we can turn to physical (hobby) if we want a centered one.

[Kobefan]

I'm surprised that this set is not as popular as I thought it would be. Maybe because UD released Masterpieces, Matriarch, and Spiderman Rendition around the same time as this set and those 3 sets seems to have easier hits to pull, kind of made me question why UD decides to screw with only this set by making huge print run, results in the hits spreading very thin. But still, I wonder if some 90s collectors aren't as hit by the sense of nostalgia as we are.

[glorbgorb]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

I'm surprised that this set is not as popular as I thought it would be. Maybe because UD released Masterpieces, Matriarch, and Spiderman Rendition around the same time as this set and those 3 sets seems to have easier hits to pull, kind of made me question why UD decides to screw with only this set by making huge print run, results in the hits spreading very thin. But still, I wonder if some 90s collectors aren't as hit by the sense of nostalgia as we are.

I definitely think it would have hit differently if sets had been spread out over time as (I assume) the intention would have been. We don't know what release schedules were supposed to look like because we were still catching up from covid delays, then rushed with the flurry of releases due to the license moving.

I am but one collector, but this set did not interest me at all. It is just a reprint set in my mind. I also do not have the nostalgia as I did not start collecting Marvel until the early 2000s. So yeah, it's not for everyone. Because of the reprint aspect, if I wanted the artwork I would just buy the original set. This is not one that needed all the parallels.

But I get why UD did it.

[Tim]

Why don't you think it's popular? From my perspective it is.