Jordan Star rookie question

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by hauntedcomputer

So Steve Taft's 18k "bargain" for a BGS 7 six weeks ago was not a bargain after all.

Did I tell someone it was?

[rifleman69]

We need updates Diana!

[rueben21]

Curious what Star collectors thought of this auction? I know the Star Jordan's are dropping too, but this set is intriguing. The Jordan 101 looks pretty good (maybe 8.5) and curious if others thought this gamble is a decent chance of working out?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/17476798719...8598%7Ciid%3A1

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by rueben21

Curious what Star collectors thought of this auction? I know the Star Jordan's are dropping too, but this set is intriguing. The Jordan 101 looks pretty good (maybe 8.5) and curious if others thought this gamble is a decent chance of working out?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/17476798719...8598%7Ciid%3A1

98k? You could probably put it together for alot less. But it is cool to see em all at once

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[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by rueben21

Curious what Star collectors thought of this auction? I know the Star Jordan's are dropping too, but this set is intriguing. The Jordan 101 looks pretty good (maybe 8.5) and curious if others thought this gamble is a decent chance of working out?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/17476798719...8598%7Ciid%3A1

It's difficult to look at a bag online and go yeah that's an 8.5.

The 101 specifically, they just grade it too inconsistently. That's a lot of money to gamble.

[mkebucks2001]

BGS 7 101 went for $10,455 w/ buyer's premium. Now is a great time to buy folks.

https://goldinauctions.com/1984_85_S...-LOT84301.aspx

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by mkebucks2001

BGS 7 101 went for $10,455 w/ buyer's premium. Now is a great time to buy folks.

https://goldinauctions.com/1984_85_S...-LOT84301.aspx

Totally agree. Looking for a lower grade now. 5 or lower.

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[sebreg]

Originally Posted by mkebucks2001

BGS 7 101 went for $10,455 w/ buyer's premium. Now is a great time to buy folks.

https://goldinauctions.com/1984_85_S...-LOT84301.aspx

Ohhhh, now I'm starting to get interested. I've always loved this card as the OG MJ rc. I know some really hate the non-pack pulled aspect (and somewhat bland action shot), but for me the fact that it is MJ's officially licensed true rookie year card gives it primacy. Plus lower pops.

[hauntedcomputer]

Originally Posted by sebreg

Ohhhh, now I'm starting to get interested. I've always loved this card as the OG MJ rc. I know some really hate the non-pack pulled aspect (and somewhat bland action shot), but for me the fact that it is MJ's officially licensed true rookie year card gives it primacy. Plus lower pops.

Bet this 7 goes for sub-10k. 7.5 for those corners lol clowning

And the investorboi stock charts will show the dip and not the reason for it

https://www.ebay.com/itm/224488621022

[r338]

6/8/21 BGS 8 $30,000 eBay BIN

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by hauntedcomputer

Bet this 7 goes for sub-10k. 7.5 for those corners lol clowning

And the investorboi stock charts will show the dip and not the reason for it

Agreed. I showcased the variance in BGS' grading of the Star 101 in either this thread or another, and 6celtics33 reiterated as well, this card, more than most needs to be looked at and rated through an eye-appeal lens instead of relying solely on its technical grade.

That's a terrible 7.

[GOATcards]

just put up a WTB on the #117 in BGS 9 in the basketball Marketplace forum

[6celtics33]

The 9.5 117 being flash auctioned is a type 2. Shouldn’t have been graded. It looks like l crap too. Shouldn’t be a 9.5 anyway.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

The 9.5 117 being flash auctioned is a type 2. Shouldn’t have been graded. It looks like l crap too. Shouldn’t be a 9.5 anyway.

OMG I think you're right. Can't even trust supposedly Taft-trained third party grading all the way on this stuff. Now I need to look into this further, a web search result near the top:
https://allvintagecards.com/star-bas...rds-interview/

On the example you mention, the white is spilling out into the border on the right, the borders look too small (which suggests either fake or trimming), and the STAR '86 is misplaced . . .

I guess if it looks fishy it most likely is. Thanks for the tip. Maybe I'll get a hold of the consignment service in question, although I certainly can't make that a full-time job either.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

OMG I think you're right. Can't even trust supposedly Taft-trained third party grading all the way on this stuff. Now I need to look into this further, a web search result near the top:
https://allvintagecards.com/star-bas...rds-interview/

On the example you mention, the white is spilling out into the border on the right, the borders look too small (which suggests either fake or trimming), and the STAR '86 is misplaced . . .

I guess if it looks fishy it most likely is. Thanks for the tip. Maybe I'll get a hold of the consignment service in question, although I certainly can't make that a full-time job either.

I'm also detecting an ever-so-slight difference in the photo cropping. Probably the dead giveaway there is the amount of the other player's hand showing in the upper left corner (there's more hand showing on this example than in others I'm looking at). It looks barely detectable on the right side; you have to look at how much of the referee's arm is showing (or crook of the elbow).

[biggieruth]

I'm still looking to buy one myself.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

OMG I think you're right. Can't even trust supposedly Taft-trained third party grading all the way on this stuff. Now I need to look into this further, a web search result near the top:
https://allvintagecards.com/star-bas...rds-interview/

On the example you mention, the white is spilling out into the border on the right, the borders look too small (which suggests either fake or trimming), and the STAR '86 is misplaced . . .

I guess if it looks fishy it most likely is. Thanks for the tip. Maybe I'll get a hold of the consignment service in question, although I certainly can't make that a full-time job either.

Can someone post a pic of a 117 that doesn't have misaligned print on the left side where the white spills over into the red border? I can't find one in a bag that doesn't have that issue either. How do we know it's a type II? I'll keep an open mind, but right now, I'm not convinced.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

Can someone post a pic of a 117 that doesn't have misaligned print on the left side where the white spills over into the red border? I can't find one in a bag that doesn't have that issue either. How do we know it's a type II? I'll keep an open mind, but right now, I'm not convinced.

Everyone's agreed that the extra white on the left side is on authentic 117s, but only on the left side. See the link I provided that shows a comparison of the authentic 117 with a 'type II.'

PWCC has taken down the 9.5 after I alerted them, BTW.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

Everyone's agreed that the extra white on the left side is on authentic 117s, but only on the left side. See the link I provided that shows a comparison of the authentic 117 with a 'type II.'

PWCC has taken down the 9.5 after I alerted them, BTW.

Ah, yes, I didn't scroll all the way down to see the pics from your link. Thank you for clarifying.

[Hellcat]

https://ibb.co/R0xm4bk
https://ibb.co/qM2wd0j

[Hellcat]

^^^3K if interested. Should be get mint nothing wrong with that centering beautiful card. I will use the funds for a 101.

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

https://ibb.co/R0xm4bk
https://ibb.co/qM2wd0j

This is awkward but uh yours is a type 2 also.

See if you can return it from whence it came.

[Hellcat]

So we can’t trust BGS with any slabbed Star Jordan’s? Wow good to know I guess I will just get a legit team bag if I can find one. I haven’t followed this conversation precisely so what’s type 2 mean? I’ve never heard of the term before.

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

So we can’t trust BGS with any slabbed Star Jordan’s? Wow good to know I guess I will just get a legit team bag if I can find one. I haven’t followed this conversation precisely so what’s type 2 mean? I’ve never heard of the term before.

Yes you can trust bgs as much as you can trust any grading company to never make a mistake.

It is rare as a % but it happens.

Type 2s affect the 85-86 second series #95-172 cards as well as best of the new, and jordan 10 card set.

They are treated as reprint/counterfeits but thought to be cards that were meant to be destroyed and were not. Like pre print samples or scraps. Stolen by print shop employees. Meaning from original star materials but not authorized for release.

Occasionally one will slip through. They are very noticeably different. The print being the main difference in them vs the originals. It’s not hard to tell side by side.

You should spend some time reading about star below before spending thousands of dollars though. Not being rude. It’s just nothing is ever going to be 100% so arm yourself with knowledge.

www.basketballgold.com

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Yes you can trust bgs as much as you can trust any grading company to never make a mistake.

It is rare as a % but it happens.

Type 2s affect the 85-86 second series #95-172 cards as well as best of the new, and jordan 10 card set.

They are treated as reprint/counterfeits but thought to be cards that were meant to be destroyed and were not. Like pre print samples or scraps. Stolen by print shop employees. Meaning from original star materials but not authorized for release.

Occasionally one will slip through. They are very noticeably different. The print being the main difference in them vs the originals. It’s not hard to tell side by side.

You should spend some time reading about star below before spending thousands of dollars though. Not being rude. It’s just nothing is ever going to be 100% so arm yourself with knowledge.

www.basketballgold.com

Yeah man thanks for the heads up but again if we can’t trust BGS on Star cards who is there?! This card I submitted raw after owning it for 20+ years so I’m not sure your assessment is accurate. I will stick to the authority on the subject and chaulk this conversation up to some Sunday morning bar talk.