AEW Wrestling Discussion Thread

[duwal]

Originally Posted by packman80

Have not watched AEW forever. They still trying to go the Impact route and sign a bunch of over the hill/castoffs from the WWE?

nope, not at all

[DonrussDean]

AEW was great tonight. Archer is a beast and should be the next champ. Hope this starts a Archer- Omega feud.

[NYJNYYFan]

I felt like this was one of the rare Dynamites where I skipped around a lot on my DVR. I wasn't interested in the Cody tag, Pac match, and the women's tournament match.

Despite that the other segments on the show were all strong. I like the Hangman and Inner Circle stories, and the main event was wild.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by DonrussDean

AEW was great tonight. Archer is a beast and should be the next champ. Hope this starts a Archer- Omega feud.

Originally Posted by NYJNYYFan

I felt like this was one of the rare Dynamites where I skipped around a lot on my DVR. I wasn't interested in the Cody tag, Pac match, and the women's tournament match.

Despite that the other segments on the show were all strong. I like the Hangman and Inner Circle stories, and the main event was wild.

Id put it somewhere close to slightingly above average.

Janela and Darby was actually a pretty good match

MJF/Sammy and later him leaving Inner Circle was meh . Big issue is, Jerich even said it before in a promo WITH MJF that he wasnt an idiot and went back and watched the show for whatever reason. So, he didnt rewatch last week where MJF talked to the boys alone? Hes not gonna go back n watch the interaction tonight when Sammy ASKED for a camera specifically?

The Cody tag match was just weird. Not a knock on Avalon as he is decent in the ring, but this is like how many weeks hes been on tv? Bononi looked pretty good though. And why does Lee Johnson get an interview after the match? And a terrible 1 at that.

Bucks Good Bros promo, blech

Hangman is always great, Jonny Hungy is great. Alcoholic Hangman, not so great. Matt Hardy talking to the camera guy/us like we're stupid, even worse.

PAC always awesome. Dolph Jr still holding his own too.

MJFicho Acclaimed tag was solid.

Sting comes out to, stand there n get interrupted by quick decent Tazz spot, that turns into terrible as Darby is drug away in a body bag as Sting slowly walks to the back. Nothing ever said again except for the replay.

Omega on a golf course, umm ok

Thankfully Thunder Rosa and Legit Leyla pull it back to good stuff. I dont think shes cut a promo yet, but Leyla has the skills to be great imo.

Jungle boy promo, he tried but still needs work.

ME was solid, if not for a few waiting/predictable spots.

So yeah most ring work A to A*, other stuff C at best

[Stackfan]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

You must be fun at parties huh

69 males on the roster, 11 of them have EVER worked for WWE, and thats including Cody who is an EVP and still in his prime, so , of course.

Thats also counting:

Billy Gunn, who usually appears in the crowd but has only had handful of matches if ever on tv

Dustin Rhodes, who maybe still wrestles on tv once or twice every few months

And Hager, while always on tv with Jericho n friends, hardly ever wrestles anymore

Anyways,

I thought the show was adequate. Would have been excellent if not for a few botches here n there, n that wedding segment dragged on for what felt like forever.

Im not really interested in seeing Gallows\Anderson every week, would be nice to see others from TNA appear instead of Aew going to Tna.

Interesting to see if this is a full NJPW cross, or just using Kenta to get their title off Moxley.

Im all for the multiple crossovers, so many different potential matches, versus the same stale things week after week from WWE

Your numbers are way off. All these worked for WWE at some point in varying degree's

Kenny Omega - developmental
Young Bucks - Multiple Try Out Matches
Brodie Lee
Chris Jericho
Christopher Daniels
DaX
Cash Wheeler
Brian Cage - NXT
Luchasarus - NXT
Colt Cabana
Cody Rhodes
Kaz - Multiple Try out matches
Dustin Rhodes
Jake Hager
Jon Moxley
John Silver - Multiple Try Out matches
Lance Archer - NXT
Miro
Matt Hardy
Matt Sydal
Pac
Ricky Starks - Extra/ Try Out Matches
Scorpio Sky - Multiple Try Out Matches
Sting
Trent
Kenta
Karl Anderson
Luke Gallows

Eddie Kingston & Darby ALlin worked for Evolve, when basically WWE was funding to survive them.

That's just the men's roster, that doesn't include people like Arn, Jake the Snake, Tully, BrandI rhodes, Serena Deeb, Big Swole, JR, Tony Schiavone, Justin Roberts, Earl Hebner, Vickie Guerrero, Billy Gunn, Jerry Lynn,

That's just what i know off the top of my head. I assume guys like Chuck Taylor, Orange Cassidy have also had try out in the past; not sure if ever anything televised.

I'm not the original post that said AEW has a lot of WWE talent; but i am also fun at parties.

[Harps]

Originally Posted by Stackfan

Your numbers are way off. All these worked for WWE at some point in varying degree's

Kenny Omega - developmental
Young Bucks - Multiple Try Out Matches
Brodie Lee
Chris Jericho
Christopher Daniels
DaX
Cash Wheeler
Brian Cage - NXT
Luchasarus - NXT
Colt Cabana
Cody Rhodes
Kaz - Multiple Try out matches
Dustin Rhodes
Jake Hager
Jon Moxley
John Silver - Multiple Try Out matches
Lance Archer - NXT
Miro
Matt Hardy
Matt Sydal
Pac
Ricky Starks - Extra/ Try Out Matches
Scorpio Sky - Multiple Try Out Matches
Sting
Trent
Kenta
Karl Anderson
Luke Gallows

Eddie Kingston & Darby ALlin worked for Evolve, when basically WWE was funding to survive them.

That's just the men's roster, that doesn't include people like Arn, Jake the Snake, Tully, BrandI rhodes, Serena Deeb, Big Swole, JR, Tony Schiavone, Justin Roberts, Earl Hebner, Vickie Guerrero, Billy Gunn, Jerry Lynn,

That's just what i know off the top of my head. I assume guys like Chuck Taylor, Orange Cassidy have also had try out in the past; not sure if ever anything televised.

I'm not the original post that said AEW has a lot of WWE talent; but i am also fun at parties.

This whole thing seems pretty rediculous, particularly if you're counting try out matches.

I mean, how many of the WWE big stars are really WWE products if you're taking it to that level? Not Stone Cold, not Mick Foley, not John Cena, not HHH or Shawn Michaels.

Outside of those who got a headstart due to nepotism, how many only ever worked for Vince?

[DrZman]

Originally Posted by Harps

This whole thing seems pretty rediculous, particularly if you're counting try out matches.

I mean, how many of the WWE big stars are really WWE products if you're taking it to that level? Not Stone Cold, not Mick Foley, not John Cena, not HHH or Shawn Michaels.

Outside of those who got a headstart due to nepotism, how many only ever worked for Vince?

Not to mention calling half those guys WWE rejects is just ignorant as hell. By that metric who on the Indy scene would be considered as not having passed through WWE? It’d be like calling free agent signings in NFL getting other teams rejects. Like man the Bucs really did well with that Patriots reject at QB.

[chiefsncards275]

Originally Posted by Stackfan

Your numbers are way off. All these worked for WWE at some point in varying degree's

Kenny Omega - developmental
Young Bucks - Multiple Try Out Matches
Brodie Lee
Chris Jericho
Christopher Daniels
DaX
Cash Wheeler
Brian Cage - NXT
Luchasarus - NXT
Colt Cabana
Cody Rhodes
Kaz - Multiple Try out matches
Dustin Rhodes
Jake Hager
Jon Moxley
John Silver - Multiple Try Out matches
Lance Archer - NXT
Miro
Matt Hardy
Matt Sydal
Pac
Ricky Starks - Extra/ Try Out Matches
Scorpio Sky - Multiple Try Out Matches
Sting
Trent
Kenta
Karl Anderson
Luke Gallows

Eddie Kingston & Darby ALlin worked for Evolve, when basically WWE was funding to survive them.

That's just the men's roster, that doesn't include people like Arn, Jake the Snake, Tully, BrandI rhodes, Serena Deeb, Big Swole, JR, Tony Schiavone, Justin Roberts, Earl Hebner, Vickie Guerrero, Billy Gunn, Jerry Lynn,

That's just what i know off the top of my head. I assume guys like Chuck Taylor, Orange Cassidy have also had try out in the past; not sure if ever anything televised.

I'm not the original post that said AEW has a lot of WWE talent; but i am also fun at parties.

This is terrible. I don’t think of 1/3 of these guys and say “Oh I remember them in WWE”.

Like why is sting on your list? No one thinks sting and wwe. They think sting and wcw

Evolve guys? That’s a stretch and a half. Tryout matches? Huge stretch. There’s some bad posts in this thread but this has to take the cake.


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[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by Stackfan

Your numbers are way off. All these worked for WWE at some point in varying degree's

Kenny Omega - developmental
Young Bucks - Multiple Try Out Matches
Brodie Lee
Chris Jericho
Christopher Daniels
DaX
Cash Wheeler
Brian Cage - NXT
Luchasarus - NXT
Colt Cabana
Cody Rhodes
Kaz - Multiple Try out matches
Dustin Rhodes
Jake Hager
Jon Moxley
John Silver - Multiple Try Out matches
Lance Archer - NXT
Miro
Matt Hardy
Matt Sydal
Pac
Ricky Starks - Extra/ Try Out Matches
Scorpio Sky - Multiple Try Out Matches
Sting
Trent
Kenta
Karl Anderson
Luke Gallows

Eddie Kingston & Darby ALlin worked for Evolve, when basically WWE was funding to survive them.

That's just the men's roster, that doesn't include people like Arn, Jake the Snake, Tully, BrandI rhodes, Serena Deeb, Big Swole, JR, Tony Schiavone, Justin Roberts, Earl Hebner, Vickie Guerrero, Billy Gunn, Jerry Lynn,

That's just what i know off the top of my head. I assume guys like Chuck Taylor, Orange Cassidy have also had try out in the past; not sure if ever anything televised
.

I'm not the original post that said AEW has a lot of WWE talent; but i am also fun at parties.

The original poster was taking a shot saying washed up wwe stars

Omega...developmental, quit never seen on Wwe tv...xxx wrong answer

Young bucks...try out matches...never seen on Wwe tv...xxx wrong answer

Brodie Lee..your right, and I didn't count him because of..duh obvious reasons moron...

Daniels...handful of job squashes 20+ yrs ago before making his name in Roh/tna/indies....xxx

Cage..spent 1 year in fcw...before making his name in indies/tna/lucha underground....xxxxx

Luchasaurus...wasn't even his name in developmental where he went nowhere before being injured and released...made his name in indies and Lucha Underground...xxxx

Colt Cabana...even by your definition you are terribly xxxxx wrong....he got his start in Roh with Punk and then Wrestling Society x BEFORE being jobber in wwe...xxxxx wroooong

Kaz/Starks/silver/Sky...again with the tryout matches...xxxxx

Sting...really? Former wwe guy? You mean...former wcw and tna guy? Xxxxxxxx

Kenta...not under contract with Aew...xxxxxx

Gallows and Anderson...not under contract with Aew...xxxxx

Pac was Pac all over Europe, pwg, and Dragons Gate before "Neville"...

Archer...you really gonna skip over Rock n Rave infection and his 5 years in Tna before his 1 useless year in wwe as vance archer??


Only one I might give you credit for is Trent...because he started in WWE before leaving and going elsewhere to make his name

But nice try....

[Ty Hope]

Joshi tournament was a lot of fun today

[NYJNYYFan]

Revolution is shaping up to be another solid PPV from them

- Moxley v Omega Barbed Wire Exploding Death Match
- Young Bucks v MJF Jericho
- Shida v Tournament Winner
- Darby/Sting v Team Taz Street Fight
- 6 Man Ladder Match for #1 Contender to TNT Title
- Hangman v Hardy

Maybe they add Kip & Miro v Trent and OC since the blowoff to FTR Jurassic Express is on Dynamite.

[cdub6238]

Only started watching via dvr but not off to great start imo

Hardy/Page against TH2 was soooooo sloppy, and the match stipulation for Hardy/page? Come on, thats stupid as hell. Least DO came to help.

Deeb/Riho was pretty good. But they really just jobbed Deeb like that? What is the infatuation with Riho? Shes nowhere near Deeb's level. If they have her beat Rosa clean next week, then Omega needs to be castrated.

[Ty Hope]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

Only started watching via dvr but not off to great start imo

Hardy/Page against TH2 was soooooo sloppy, and the match stipulation for Hardy/page? Come on, thats stupid as hell. Least DO came to help.

Deeb/Riho was pretty good. But they really just jobbed Deeb like that? What is the infatuation with Riho? Shes nowhere near Deeb's level. If they have her beat Rosa clean next week, then Omega needs to be castrated.

Riho is a big star over in Japan. Her merch sells like crazy. Most likely trying to expand AEW to the Japanese market as well.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

Riho is a big star over in Japan. Her merch sells like crazy. Most likely trying to expand AEW to the Japanese market as well.

Thats fine and good, and not knocking her as a person or wrestler either. Imo she is too small to be a threat, no matter how good and technical she can be.

The fans liked her well enough with her title run, i just think Deeb/Rosa have been crushing it and deserve the pushes right now. Also Leyla Hirsch too.

Only way it would make sense for her to beat Rosa is if Britt Baker causes a dq or something to continue that feud.

Cant wait to hear Cornette's take in a few days, he might have an aneurysm lol

[Ty Hope]

Cornett is a jackass. lol

I’m just biased because Riho is a friend

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by Ty Hope

Cornett is a jackass. lol

I’m just biased because Riho is a friend

Oh I agree..it's frightening because he is soooo way off on most things, like for some reason his hatred of Japanese women wrestlers, always calling them schoolgirls playing wrestling cuz that's a kink in Japan even refuses to watch Asuka matches due to his bias. It's quite sickening at times.

But...then there also times he is very right on things

I like Riho, she's very talented, very technical and very likeable. Just imo.. unfortunately for her..her size is an issue. Sure she can outwrestle n get the underdog wins...but that only works so many times. Even Rey Mysterio had size and bulk to him, he was just shorter than everyone.

[Ty Hope]

Oh I’ve told her to eat more lol She is literally the type who can’t put on weight. Super friendly and genuinely nice person.
I’m just glad the tournament is being so well received overall.

[Ty Hope]

And yes, Cornette has absolutely zero understanding of the culture here. And how women like Kana (Asuka), etc are legit tough as hell.

[Callmethevreez]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

Oh I agree..it's frightening because he is soooo way off on most things, like for some reason his hatred of Japanese women wrestlers, always calling them schoolgirls playing wrestling cuz that's a kink in Japan even refuses to watch Asuka matches due to his bias. It's quite sickening at times.

But...then there also times he is very right on things

I can't put my finger on the guy. Sometimes I think that he would be a really cool person to be around, and then other times I think that wouldnt even want to be in the same room as him.

[WWECollector316]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

Oh I agree..it's frightening because he is soooo way off on most things, like for some reason his hatred of Japanese women wrestlers, always calling them schoolgirls playing wrestling cuz that's a kink in Japan even refuses to watch Asuka matches due to his bias. It's quite sickening at times.

But...then there also times he is very right on things

His takes on mudshow outlaw garbage are spot on. There is such a small audience it appeals to, and people go and treat this upcoming match like its a revelation of amazement. I get that the history of japanese death matches have giant names attached to them, but they werent going for widespread appeal. They were catering to a niche crowd then.

Putting this as a headliner on a PPV seems bush league and desperate. My take.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by WWECollector316

His takes on mudshow outlaw garbage are spot on. There is such a small audience it appeals to, and people go and treat this upcoming match like its a revelation of amazement. I get that the history of japanese death matches have giant names attached to them, but they werent going for widespread appeal. They were catering to a niche crowd then.

Putting this as a headliner on a PPV seems bush league and desperate. My take.

The main issue with Cornette, is he refuses to realize wrestling has changed.

He will sit and nitpick everything to death and how this doesnt make sense or why didnt they do that, or in Smokey Mtn we NEVER wouldve done this!

He can critique booking, storylines, matches all day long. We all do and have our opinions. But he just loathes everything and has vendettas against so many people, hes forgotten its ok to be entertained even if the booking or whatever is meh.

Case and point, review of Reigns/Owens ar Royal Rumble. A forklift? Well back in the 70s n 80s when they had these matches they never used such things, why now, this is absurd and a mockery!Fast forward the match!

Anyways, show definitely got better after 1st few segments imo.

As far as the ppv main event, im not even sure what an exploding barbwire match is, but i understand the reasoning. They already had a nonsanctioned match, and this is shaping up to be Aew's "blood feud" where they just absolutely hate each other n wanna kill each other.

[brothertona]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

The main issue with Cornette, is he refuses to realize wrestling has changed.

He will sit and nitpick everything to death and how this doesnt make sense or why didnt they do that, or in Smokey Mtn we NEVER wouldve done this!

He can critique booking, storylines, matches all day long. We all do and have our opinions. But he just loathes everything and has vendettas against so many people, hes forgotten its ok to be entertained even if the booking or whatever is meh.

Case and point, review of Reigns/Owens ar Royal Rumble. A forklift? Well back in the 70s n 80s when they had these matches they never used such things, why now, this is absurd and a mockery!Fast forward the match!

Anyways, show definitely got better after 1st few segments imo.

As far as the ppv main event, im not even sure what an exploding barbwire match is, but i understand the reasoning. They already had a nonsanctioned match, and this is shaping up to be Aew's "blood feud" where they just absolutely hate each other n wanna kill each other.

Eh, I just deep they've overdone the hardcore matches with Moxley. These matches are supposed to be special, the last resort and he's been in a ton of them.
I still as well haven't figured out where they are taking their women's division. I assumed when I heard Impact that you'd work with their women.
AEW has largely failed its women's wrestlers.
I also don't buy that Darby is getting a rub from Sting.
The match quality is still good though


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[Ty Hope]

The pandemic had a major effect on the women's division. There are big plans to work with Japanese and other country's female talent, but no one could travel. It threw a huge wrench in things. This current tournament is great ! It's a fantastic way to showcase a broad range of talent.

[Jericho]

I don't get it with Moxley. Obviously he's pushed because WWE made him a star, but damn he really sucks as a wrestler and is pretty much just a garbage wrestler. And death match stuff is not going to bring in new viewers for AEW, hell it might make some give up on them.

The women's division continues to be very iffy. And Riho being back just makes it worse, because they generally have the women jobbing to her and it looks ridiculous.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by Jericho

I don't get it with Moxley. Obviously he's pushed because WWE made him a star, but damn he really sucks as a wrestler and is pretty much just a garbage wrestler. And death match stuff is not going to bring in new viewers for AEW, hell it might make some give up on them.

The women's division continues to be very iffy. And Riho being back just makes it worse, because they generally have the women jobbing to her and it looks ridiculous.

Some bold takes there, but thats certainly your opinion you are entitled to.

I dont think hes pushed due to WWE, sure it made him popular, but they didnt really have anyone credible to take the belt off Jericho but him. Even all his title defenses, i guess it couldve "made" people, but Archer at the time; Brodie Lee at the time; Hager?? I like Kingston, but i dont think anyone thought these guys would win. And i dont mind the current rematch story either.

I think he loses and disappears back to New Japan or TNA for a bit before coming back.

As far as the hardcore, death matches or whatever you wanna call them, he was doing that before WWE and apparently thats what he likes. More power to him, although i could do with less.

I think the womens division is taking steps forward. Already talked about Riho, but her Deeb, Rosa,Hirsch, Shida, Britt, Anna Jay, Conti,and Statlander when she comes back is very very solid. Just need more than 1 match a week on tv