Wander Franco Rookie Card Debate (2021 Bowman's Best vs. 2022 RC logo cards)

[StlBen]

Can we lock this one too...

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by StlBen

Can we lock this one too...

We’ll be talking about Wander’s Toast again soon enough.

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by abbeyroadwalker

This whole thing reminds me of the OJ murder trial in 1993-94. I was a very successful sports card dealer in those days, and when the trial was happening, people kept asking for OJ's rookie card. I could not fathom why anyone would want any memorabilia of his when he was being tried for murder, but that's what they wanted anyway. Like you say, when the perception of monetary value is attached to anyone, regardless of what they may or may not have done, that can override the issue of their possible crimes and misdemeanors. Funny world out there.

On a tangent...

I am the LAST person to believe in a conspiracy theory.

There is enough evidence out there that he did not commit the murders which I believe.

All of our information comes from the MSM. The vast majority which is inaccurate.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Yes, as a matter of fact, I will keep calling people who spout this nonsense without any credible sources “crazy Q conspiracy theorists”. Thank you.

If you do have any link from credible sources, including these flights logs, I would be interested in seeing them.

I have seen flight logs but the names are all initials and code names except for Clinton and Allan Dershowitz. You can easily find them if you know how to use the internet. But I definitely recommend everyone be skeptical of everything and not believe any official reporting especially if it's coming from the mainstream media or governments unless you can verify things with your own eyes or experience. I've worked in Hollywood for over 20 years. I heard all about Harvey Weinstein for at least 15 years before that all came out and it all turned out to be true apparently. I've heard rumors from people I know in the industry about a lot of other Hollywood celebrities including all of the obvious people that you hear about connected to Epstein being pedos and a lot of others who's names haven't really be connected but if you heard them you'd probably say it makes sense. Everyone can believe whatever they want but don't be shocked if you find one day that a lot of the actors, directors, producers in Hollywood that make the content you love are pedos, perverts and sex criminals.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by hammertime

Man everyone's going to come crawling back to that 3rd Wander thread guy once this one gets locked. He was just ahead of his time!

You mean once this thread is toast.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by rms13

I have seen flight logs but the names are all initials and code names except for Clinton and Allan Dershowitz. You can easily find them if you know how to use the internet. But I definitely recommend everyone be skeptical of everything and not believe any official reporting especially if it's coming from the mainstream media or governments unless you can verify things with your own eyes or experience. I've worked in Hollywood for over 20 years. I heard all about Harvey Weinstein for at least 15 years before that all came out and it all turned out to be true apparently. I've heard rumors from people I know in the industry about a lot of other Hollywood celebrities including all of the obvious people that you hear about connected to Epstein being pedos and a lot of others who's names haven't really be connected but if you heard them you'd probably say it makes sense. Everyone can believe whatever they want but don't be shocked if you find one day that a lot of the actors, directors, producers in Hollywood that make the content you love are pedos, perverts and sex criminals.

Hasn't that pretty much always been the case going back to the start of hollywood?

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by rms13

I have seen flight logs but the names are all initials and code names except for Clinton and Allan Dershowitz. You can easily find them if you know how to use the internet. But I definitely recommend everyone be skeptical of everything and not believe any official reporting especially if it's coming from the mainstream media or governments unless you can verify things with your own eyes or experience. I've worked in Hollywood for over 20 years. I heard all about Harvey Weinstein for at least 15 years before that all came out and it all turned out to be true apparently. I've heard rumors from people I know in the industry about a lot of other Hollywood celebrities including all of the obvious people that you hear about connected to Epstein being pedos and a lot of others who's names haven't really be connected but if you heard them you'd probably say it makes sense. Everyone can believe whatever they want but don't be shocked if you find one day that a lot of the actors, directors, producers in Hollywood that make the content you love are pedos, perverts and sex criminals.

Tons of scum bags in Hollywood, I believe that. Just like there’s scum bags in baseball and everywhere else in the world. It’s very unfortunate that the world’s young people are active targets by the monsters of the world.

But when conservatives/Q Aon people just start throwing out specific names of liberals they don’t like… that’s when I need to see some actual proof.

Please let me know when/if you have links from credible sources. I recommend people avoid going down internet dark alleys and shady websites and try to stick to the facts as they are currently known.

(Obviously this is an open forum and I defend your freedom of speech, but just don’t expect rational people to believe you just because you type it.)

[Bunny Hop]

Originally Posted by rms13

Everyone in Hollywood and politics are pedos including women.

Originally Posted by rms13

I've worked in Hollywood for over 20 years.

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[Chuck Bartowski]

Originally Posted by rms13

I have seen flight logs but the names are all initials and code names except for Clinton and Allan Dershowitz. You can easily find them if you know how to use the internet. But I definitely recommend everyone be skeptical of everything and not believe any official reporting especially if it's coming from the mainstream media or governments unless you can verify things with your own eyes or experience. I've worked in Hollywood for over 20 years. I heard all about Harvey Weinstein for at least 15 years before that all came out and it all turned out to be true apparently. I've heard rumors from people I know in the industry about a lot of other Hollywood celebrities including all of the obvious people that you hear about connected to Epstein being pedos and a lot of others who's names haven't really be connected but if you heard them you'd probably say it makes sense. Everyone can believe whatever they want but don't be shocked if you find one day that a lot of the actors, directors, producers in Hollywood that make the content you love are pedos, perverts and sex criminals.

Anyone that uses "mainstream media" in conversation has no credibility whatsoever.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Tons of scum bags in Hollywood, I believe that. Just like there’s scum bags in baseball and everywhere else in the world. It’s very unfortunate that the world’s young people are active targets by the monsters of the world.

But when conservatives/Q Aon people just start throwing out specific names of liberals they don’t like… that’s when I need to see some actual proof.

Please let me know when/if you have links from credible sources. I recommend people avoid going down internet dark alleys and shady websites and try to stick to the facts as they are currently known.

(Obviously this is an open forum and I defend your freedom of speech, but just don’t expect rational people to believe you just because you type it.)

I agree. I don't think anyone here has any first hand verifiable proof that Wander did anything he's accused of but it seems like the majority of the people here believe it because someoene else told them it's true.

[esoxwaters]

I voted 2022 RC logo cards only.

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Bunny Hop

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Thank you for that, funniest thing I've seen today.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

On a tangent...

I am the LAST person to believe in a conspiracy theory.

There is enough evidence out there that he did not commit the murders which I believe.

All of our information comes from the MSM. The vast majority which is inaccurate.

He terrorized and beat his wife, but okay.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Chuck Bartowski

Anyone that uses "mainstream media" in conversation has no credibility whatsoever.

It's a legitimate phrase -- it refers to big corporate media. It's used to contrast with independent and citizen journalism, like blogs and nonprofit media.

[StlBen]

Ah so the thread isn't closed so we can just easily identify the crazies that should be muted...understood.

[fabiani12333]

If Wander gets convicted, this thing is going to blow up. The authorities have the girl's mom -- she'll rat on Wander and give up everything she has on him to reduce her sentence.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

If Wander gets convicted, this thing is going to blow up. The authorities have the girl's mom -- she'll rat on Wander and give up everything she has on him to reduce her sentence.

The secret is already out. She has more?

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by towerymt

The secret is already out. She has more?

I meant direct evidence to convict him.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

It's a legitimate phrase -- it refers to big corporate media. It's used to contrast with independent and citizen journalism, like blogs and nonprofit media.

It refers to media that is funded by and subservient to advertisers and who therefore all report the same stories usually word for word based on press releases. It's a form of entertainment like sports and movies not to be confused with actual journalism which is supposed to be unbiased and provided by people who are actually on the ground gathering information and reporting it

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by rms13

It refers to media that is funded by and subservient to advertisers and who therefore all report the same stories usually word for word based on press releases. It's a form of entertainment like sports and movies not to be confused with actual journalism which is supposed to be unbiased and provided by people who are actually on the ground gathering information and reporting it

What do you call legacy news organizations like the NYT, WaPo, ABC, NBC, CBS etc? They do original and investigative reporting, as well as publish content from wire services and press releases.

Any news publisher can be beholden to advertisers.

The great thing about social media and the internet is anyone can be a media publisher -- no more relying on traditional media outlets for news and information.

[21Pittsburgh58]

Originally Posted by Bunny Hop

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Uh oh! Houston, we have a problem

You win today's internet

[TheChromeFinish]

Just saw a media interview where the uncle of the minor says there is supposedly another major league player involved in this case!

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[TheChromeFinish]

Some Wander fans from this thread!

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[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by TheChromeFinish

Just saw a media interview where the uncle of the minor says there is supposedly another major league player involved in this case!

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Oh my!!!!!

[rms13]

Originally Posted by TheChromeFinish

Just saw a media interview where the uncle of the minor says there is supposedly another major league player involved in this case!

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Please let it be Trout!