Vladimir Guerrero, Jr.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Clause37

Topps used the batting image for his Rookie Card manufactured relic in 2020 series 1, so that's another vote for it being the iconic image. Between the series 1 Mystery Auto, series 2 Nno, and Chrome 201, there is little doubt that the update cards will always lag behind.

I am interested to see how his update rookie debut autos do, although they are stickers. I managed to pull a gold and the prices have been all over the place.

The sticker doesn’t seem to hurt too much. It certainly doesn’t hold back the Tatis and Acuna Update autos. I’m very anti-sticker, but I expect the Vlad RD sticker auto to have its moment.


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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

If you’re going to be up in an hour, this should be a fun auction to watch:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/383929940278


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Another monster gold is set to end soon...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/383931700046


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[Reverend Ghost]

Looking forward to this one landing...




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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Reverend Ghost

Looking forward to this one landing...




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Ah! I missed bidding on that. I got my 14-minute notice from the ebay app, then got distracted by the kids.

That’s an amazing buy—especially considering that it wasn’t all that much more than what people are paying for PSA 10’s of the NNO and Topps Chrome refractors.


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[Reverend Ghost]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Ah! I missed bidding on that. I got my 14-minute notice from the ebay app, then got distracted by the kids.

That’s an amazing buy—especially considering that it wasn’t all that much more than what people are paying for PSA 10’s of the NNO and Topps Chrome refractors.


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I honestly thought I was too low on it. Only 10 have been graded: 4 BGS 9.5s, 4 BGS 9’s, 1 PSA 8 and 1 PSA 9. Really happy to land this one, nines are just fine


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[mrb842]

I've met vlad, he's about 5'10 250 lbs and extremley unpleasant. My view is terry pendleton.

[Yaga]

Originally Posted by mrb842

I've met vlad, he's about 5'10 250 lbs and extremley unpleasant. My view is terry pendleton.

Yeah? Dang thanks for the insider advice... I'm going to go dump all my Vlad stuff now

[7nohitter]

Originally Posted by mrb842

I've met vlad, he's about 5'10 250 lbs and extremley unpleasant. My view is terry pendleton.

Can you explain his unpleasantness?

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by mrb842

I've met vlad, he's about 5'10 250 lbs and extremley unpleasant. My view is terry pendleton.

Wow. If Vlad is only 5’10”, then Jose Ramirez must only be about 4’11” ...






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[mrb842]

Originally Posted by 7nohitter

Can you explain his unpleasantness?

-yeah it's called mlb and the mlbpa have no idea how to market the game and don't pay developing players anything and so the moment a kid is drafted or reaches the bigs and an agent sees potential-like a bieber, they sign an exclusive autograph contract w/some dealer and refuse to sign or engage w/fans including through team events.

-what happens is that the players union is terribly run and driven by veteran superstars whose agenda is amenities like chefs and extra seats on planes so rookies and anyone who isn't mike trout see 10% of what they should be paid (and the minors guys don't even get that) so their income is now reliant on memorabilia and autograph signings and and they act like a-holes w/fans.

-all this auto stuff you guys post w/cards, it seems special because it's an auto or jersey but whereas in the mays generation guys were issued 3 jerseys a year and signed for peoples hobbies and was generally then thrown out or on a program, this is now a guy like vlads income and I just don't see a continued value here that some of you obsess about.

[mrb842]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Wow. If Vlad is only 5’10”, then Jose Ramirez must only be about 4’11” ...






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jose ramirez and altuve are about 5'6

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by mrb842

-yeah it's called mlb and the mlbpa have no idea how to market the game and don't pay developing players anything and so the moment a kid is drafted or reaches the bigs and an agent sees potential-like a bieber, they sign an exclusive autograph contract w/some dealer and refuse to sign or engage w/fans including through team events.

-what happens is that the players union is terribly run and driven by veteran superstars whose agenda is amenities like chefs and extra seats on planes so rookies and anyone who isn't mike trout see 10% of what they should be paid (and the minors guys don't even get that) so their income is now reliant on memorabilia and autograph signings and and they act like a-holes w/fans.

-all this auto stuff you guys post w/cards, it seems special because it's an auto or jersey but whereas in the mays generation guys were issued 3 jerseys a year and signed for peoples hobbies and was generally then thrown out or on a program, this is now a guy like vlads income and I just don't see a continued value here that some of you obsess about.

These seem like generalizations rather than an experience with Guerrero himself.

Joe, did you forget to change your account again?

[mrb842]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

These seem like generalizations rather than an experience with Guerrero himself.

Joe, did you forget to change your account again?

I've met guerrero several times including his rookie year and what he thinks of himself and his position is why the game has turned so many ppl off. Baseball players are supposed to earn $ playing baseball and marketing soft drinks, cars, and banks and right now most of them are reliant on memorabilia/card deals then their mlb salaries and thats it.

[Yaga]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

These seem like generalizations rather than an experience with Guerrero himself.

Joe, did you forget to change your account again?

Who is Joe?

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by mrb842

I've met guerrero several times including his rookie year and what he thinks of himself and his position is why the game has turned so many ppl off. Baseball players are supposed to earn $ playing baseball and marketing soft drinks, cars, and banks and right now most of them are reliant on memorabilia/card deals then their mlb salaries and thats it.

Sounds rough.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Yaga

Who is Joe?

He’s the dude who picked up where BBases31 left off. He’s been starting fights all over the board lately.


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[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by Yaga

Who is Joe?

If you build it (a thread about bubbles), he will come.

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by mrb842

I've met vlad, he's about 5'10 250 lbs and extremley unpleasant. My view is terry pendleton.

I think you got catfished there, champ.

I've met Vlad three times so far and each time he was nothing but cool. Maybe it's...YOU.

[HarryLime]

I still don't understand what his beef with Vlad is.

Arthur

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I still don't understand what his beef with Vlad is.

Arthur

He asked some 5'10" fella he thought was Vlad for an autograph and that guy told him to go pork his hat. Now he's here telling us that Vlad is grumpy, missing the irony entirely.

[salthill]

Originally Posted by Triple B

I think you got catfished there, champ.
I've met Vlad three times so far and each time he was nothing but cool. Maybe it's...YOU.

He’s got... certain expectations... about how athletes should interact with fans, and gets spicy when they aren’t met.
“Secret security apparatus” and “gestapo” might be my favourites.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1433813

[Yaga]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

He’s the dude who picked up where BBases31 left off. He’s been starting fights all over the board lately.


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Ohhhh ok I don't think I've seen him

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by salthill

He’s got... certain expectations... about how athletes should interact with fans, and gets spicy when they aren’t met.
“Secret security apparatus” and “gestapo” might be my favourites.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1433813

That's hilarious. Sounds like one of those teeny bopper groupies.

Originally Posted by Yaga

Ohhhh ok I don't think I've seen him

You aren't missing much.

[mrb842]

Originally Posted by salthill

He’s got... certain expectations... about how athletes should interact with fans, and gets spicy when they aren’t met.
“Secret security apparatus” and “gestapo” might be my favourites.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1433813

-Topps and fanatics have a higher payroll in terms of what they pay mlb guys to work for them signing cards and gear than about 1/3 of mlb teams this year and it's not how the game is supposed to work and it's part of the reason for a decline in the game and why we're headed for a major work stoppage next year.

-I don't expect you to care about any of that but what for you counts is that value is determined by scarcity and if young stars like vlad are heavily reliant on card and memorabilia deals for income they're going to sign a ton of these cards and some point over saturate the market and lead to a decline in value of your collections.

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by mrb842

-Topps and fanatics have a higher payroll in terms of what they pay mlb guys to work for them signing cards and gear than about 1/3 of mlb teams this year and it's not how the game is supposed to work and it's part of the reason for a decline in the game and why we're headed for a major work stoppage next year.

-I don't expect you to care about any of that but what for you counts is that value is determined by scarcity and if young stars like vlad are heavily reliant on card and memorabilia deals for income they're going to sign a ton of these cards and some point over saturate the market and lead to a decline in value of your collections.

You're not telling anyone anything new. Just so you're aware, cards have evolved beyond autographs. We all get that autographs aren't scarce. Whatever your issue is with Fanatics, Topps and the autograph deals they have in place with the players is seemingly yours alone. This hobby is full of collectors and speculators and flippers and I'd guess that by now, all three groups already know what you have just figured out.

Also, Vlad is a millionaire on his own having been signed by the Jays for $3 million. His father is worth $60 million. Other young stars aren't as lucky, but again, we all get it.

Thanks for your help, though. Much appreciated.