Connor Bedard

[davinci88]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

I detest sticker autos, but from a card company point of view, sticker autos are the fastest way to get some kind of auto into the hands of collectors.

I believe UD was not allowed to make (or release?) physical cards of Bedard until he had played in an official NHL regular season game.

He'll have on-card autos soon enough.

For sure. It definitely helps the company bottom line. I just think as a collector the aesthetic is awful. They should be discounted more compared to on-card autos imho.

[ThatGuyPal]

Blue Platinum Portraits is sitting at $1600 on Ebay with four days left. Had no idea he was even in the set as it's impossible to find info on this but pretty crazy given the 2021 Mcdavid Pink which is rarer went for $259 on Goldin lol box price def plays a part though as I stated previously since I'm seeing these for $699.95 lol

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Blue Platinum Portraits is sitting at $1600 on Ebay with four days left. Had no idea he was even in the set as it's impossible to find info on this but pretty crazy given the 2021 Mcdavid Pink which is rarer went for $259 on Goldin lol box price def plays a part though as I stated previously since I'm seeing these for $699.95 lol

Yup, and a Zero feedback bidder with a top bid place holder to help get the card shilled up. Came in really high after the card was getting boosted to $650.
Or maybe e***3 (0) just wants it that badly.

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by ThatGuyPal

Blue Platinum Portraits is sitting at $1600 on Ebay with four days left. Had no idea he was even in the set as it's impossible to find info on this but pretty crazy given the 2021 Mcdavid Pink which is rarer went for $259 on Goldin lol box price def plays a part though as I stated previously since I'm seeing these for $699.95 lol

I believe these were given out at the Upper Deck Diamond Dealers Conference

[ThatGuyPal]

Originally Posted by valleynuckfan

Yup, and a Zero feedback bidder with a top bid place holder to help get the card shilled up. Came in really high after the card was getting boosted to $650.
Or maybe e***3 (0) just wants it that badly.

Probably is shilled, I just saw it on 130 so didn't see bidders etc. just number and current price. Looks like one sold Jan. 11 for $1795 CAD which for conversion makes this one a lot higher. Sucks as it would prob go for a nice amount legit.

[Campbelljh3]

Have all three Conor Bedard rookie debut achievements available on epack (red - less then 99 of them, blue less then 249 of them and star rookie less then 175 of them)! Looking to trade!

[kingb22]

Has anyone kept an eye on Bedard SP1 prices? there are two PSA 10's up for auction today:

1d6h left - 57 bids - Price: $7,640.39 - Watchers: 383
8h50m left - 80 bids - Price: $8,900.00 - Watchers: 327

Understanding that grading these cards is very very difficult, those prices seem truly insane. Back of envelope I'd guess there were upwards of 15k (possibly more) SP1's printed so even with a very low gem rate that's going to be a LOT of PSA 10's in existence. 18 PSA 10's todays already in the database (out of 232 total graded)

[rohara99]

Originally Posted by kingb22

Has anyone kept an eye on Bedard SP1 prices? there are two PSA 10's up for auction today:

1d6h left - 57 bids - Price: $7,640.39 - Watchers: 383
8h50m left - 80 bids - Price: $8,900.00 - Watchers: 327

Understanding that grading these cards is very very difficult, those prices seem truly insane. Back of envelope I'd guess there were upwards of 15k (possibly more) SP1's printed so even with a very low gem rate that's going to be a LOT of PSA 10's in existence. 18 PSA 10's todays already in the database (out of 232 total graded)

If there's only 232 graded there must be less than 15k printed, no?

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by rohara99

If there's only 232 graded there must be less than 15k printed, no?

the early back of the envelope estimate is that only 10-15% of the product has been busted so far, so lets say 232 graded or regraded, some were trashed as people didnt realize what they were, and some were just kept in a collection as raw or sent to some other grading co. So lets say 400 have been pulled so far. Probably means a total PR of 3-4k?

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by anusinha

the early back of the envelope estimate is that only 10-15% of the product has been busted so far, so lets say 232 graded or regraded, some were trashed as people didnt realize what they were, and some were just kept in a collection as raw or sent to some other grading co. So lets say 400 have been pulled so far. Probably means a total PR of 3-4k?

Only 10-15% of the product has been busted? It's been out for like 3 months yeah? Is it typical for ppl to hold that much of it sealed?

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Only 10-15% of the product has been busted? It's been out for like 3 months yeah? Is it typical for ppl to hold that much of it sealed?

No, usually even more gets busted. But I think the high cost, meh YGs, and people just waiting for Bedard stuff has kept the break rate low.

[kingb22]

Originally Posted by anusinha

the early back of the envelope estimate is that only 10-15% of the product has been busted so far, so lets say 232 graded or regraded, some were trashed as people didnt realize what they were, and some were just kept in a collection as raw or sent to some other grading co. So lets say 400 have been pulled so far. Probably means a total PR of 3-4k?

I think that's low. The one I pulled was so obviously chipped that I was never going to send it for grading. Ditto the vast majority that have sold raw on Ebay - all with the same top edge chipping.

A guy did a video last year who estimated that in 22-23 they printed approximately 55k young guns per player. Probably more in 23-24 but lets assume it's the same. (Ignoring Retail) if you assume 1.44 YG's per case that's 38k (hobby equivalent) cases. Bedard SP1 from the 20 or so cases I watched being broken was pretty reliably 1 in 2 cases. Of course I have no idea how Retail affects those #'s but if all production was hobby that's 19k SP1s. Clearly that's not the case but I'd be shocked if it wasn't at min 10k+. If someone has better math I'd be happy to learn it - it will impact my future buying so thanks in advance!

[Satan]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Only 10-15% of the product has been busted? It's been out for like 3 months yeah? Is it typical for ppl to hold that much of it sealed?

It hasn't been dumped onto ePack yet, that's a huge flood

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by kingb22

Has anyone kept an eye on Bedard SP1 prices? there are two PSA 10's up for auction today:

1d6h left - 57 bids - Price: $7,640.39 - Watchers: 383
8h50m left - 80 bids - Price: $8,900.00 - Watchers: 327

Understanding that grading these cards is very very difficult, those prices seem truly insane. Back of envelope I'd guess there were upwards of 15k (possibly more) SP1's printed so even with a very low gem rate that's going to be a LOT of PSA 10's in existence. 18 PSA 10's todays already in the database (out of 232 total graded)

Those are wild numbers considering it will be cold product next month when the YGs come out.

Maybe there are some "first card" collectors but no way can they make back that premium.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Satan

It hasn't been dumped onto ePack yet, that's a huge flood

Are epack sales for S1 and S2 that crazy?

I understand if something is an epack exclusive but for products that are available in hobby stores (and even retail outlets), are the epack sales that strong?

But I'd much rather have product in hand to rip instead of ripping online then waiting for it to become physical and then waiting even longer to have it shipped.

[Davis]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Are epack sales for S1 and S2 that crazy?

I understand if something is an epack exclusive but for products that are available in hobby stores (and even retail outlets), are the epack sales that strong?

But I'd much rather have product in hand to rip instead of ripping online then waiting for it to become physical and then waiting even longer to have it shipped.

I would say yes, epack sales are very very strong.

[kingb22]

Originally Posted by Davis

I would say yes, epack sales are very very strong.

While I love to rip product, I'd use epack more on S1/S2/Extended if the price of physical hobby and epack were close. The ability to created Speckled base of the star players where you capture SOME value for base vs just throwing in the trash would be useful for example. My experience has been that the Speckled cards grade well, even if base YG's don't. But at least on 21-22 and 22-23 the discounts are so heavy on physical Hobby by the time of ePack release at full price I'm frankly amazed anyone buys. Given how expensive US physical hobby is on 23-24 might change that - will be interesting to watch

[Satan]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Are epack sales for S1 and S2 that crazy?

I understand if something is an epack exclusive but for products that are available in hobby stores (and even retail outlets), are the epack sales that strong?

But I'd much rather have product in hand to rip instead of ripping online then waiting for it to become physical and then waiting even longer to have it shipped.

Yes. It's tied into with COMC's platform which gives people immediate access to the marketplace... and then there's a massive supply/demand balance that happens every time a new product is listed on ePack. It's a race to the bottom for some people to start recouping money they wasted opening packs on ePack.

Context: There are over 88,000 21-22 UDS2 young guns on the ePack platform right now and there's 420 Matt Kiersted ygs currently listed on COMC (with over 1000 sales of his yg on comc... compared to eBay's Terapeak showing 670 Kiersted yg sales).

Also- there's usually no "waiting for it to become physical" with ePack, that's usually exclusive to Game Dated Moments and other one-off releases or achievements. As soon as 2023-24 Upper Deck Series 1 is released on the platform, you will also have the ability to send cards immediately to COMC or request a shipment back to you. I would much rather have my cards and buy/sell cards on ePack's platform than have physical cards. It's a lot harder to trade a Matt Kiersted yg that you hold physically... but usually on ePack there are a couple team collectors that are open to acquiring plugs like that.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Satan

Yes. It's tied into with COMC's platform which gives people immediate access to the marketplace... and then there's a massive supply/demand balance that happens every time a new product is listed on ePack. It's a race to the bottom for some people to start recouping money they wasted opening packs on ePack.

Context: There are over 88,000 21-22 UDS2 young guns on the ePack platform right now and there's 420 Matt Kiersted ygs currently listed on COMC (with over 1000 sales of his yg on comc... compared to eBay's Terapeak showing 670 Kiersted yg sales).

Also- there's usually no "waiting for it to become physical" with ePack, that's usually exclusive to Game Dated Moments and other one-off releases or achievements. As soon as 2023-24 Upper Deck Series 1 is released on the platform, you will also have the ability to send cards immediately to COMC or request a shipment back to you. I would much rather have my cards and buy/sell cards on ePack's platform than have physical cards. It's a lot harder to trade a Matt Kiersted yg that you hold physically... but usually on ePack there are a couple team collectors that are open to acquiring plugs like that.

Thanks for the info. Good to know.

[ThisIsTrue]

Originally Posted by kingb22

Has anyone kept an eye on Bedard SP1 prices? there are two PSA 10's up for auction today:

1d6h left - 57 bids - Price: $7,640.39 - Watchers: 383
8h50m left - 80 bids - Price: $8,900.00 - Watchers: 327

Understanding that grading these cards is very very difficult, those prices seem truly insane. Back of envelope I'd guess there were upwards of 15k (possibly more) SP1's printed so even with a very low gem rate that's going to be a LOT of PSA 10's in existence. 18 PSA 10's todays already in the database (out of 232 total graded)

Can the SP1 be found in 2023/24 UD Series 1 Blaster boxes?

[armyml]

Originally Posted by anusinha

the early back of the envelope estimate is that only 10-15% of the product has been busted so far, so lets say 232 graded or regraded, some were trashed as people didnt realize what they were, and some were just kept in a collection as raw or sent to some other grading co. So lets say 400 have been pulled so far. Probably means a total PR of 3-4k?

I can tell you that it took us 4 cases to get one. We've sold another 2-3 cases worth of product in store since release and as far as we know nobody has hit one. Our hockey customers are regulars so we see them all the time and they always let us know if they pulled something big.

[JohnnyAppleseed]

Originally Posted by ThisIsTrue

Can the SP1 be found in 2023/24 UD Series 1 Blaster boxes?

It can be hit in retail yes.

[ThisIsTrue]

Originally Posted by JohnnyAppleseed

It can be hit in retail yes.

Much appreciated......

[Yaga]

What do you guys think of that CDD promo? It looks pretty cool... do they usually print a lot of those? Were these just giveaways at an event?

[snomelcrob]

Just received notification that the Tim Horton’s Top Draft Pick redemption was being shipped. Includes a pic of the card.





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