Vladimir Guerrero, Jr.

[Cards and 401K]

Originally Posted by BlueJaysRockies

My (14) Meijer Purple and (27) Target Red foils I'm about to send off for grading. See ya in October when he's challenging for MVP award!

Very nice I have 15 Lux Foils grading now 1 purple, TGT reds, WM blues, the foils can be tricky to gem we will see Good luck!

[eye4talent]

A raw sapphire just went for $355. That’s double what they were going for just a couple months ago.


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[towerymt]

Jan 4th, one sold raw for $355 (auction). In between, the possibly-scratched one went $285. Looking back further, there was a PSA-9 in the $170-180 range.

PSA-10 auctioned $715 earlier tonight. That's more than I had remembered them selling for, but looks like people have been picking off BIN-OBOs.

Others recently:
$310 raw, offer
$825 PSA-10, offer
$875 PSA-10, offer
$680 PSA-10, offer
$899 PSA-10 BIN/full price

[Archangel1775]

The 2020 Finest Flashback Refractors are seeing movement above $200. Just shy of Soto, Acuna and Tatis which are all at $250+. I thought the gold selling at $150 was an outlier, guess not.

[stinkus]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Jan 4th, one sold raw for $355 (auction). In between, the possibly-scratched one went $285. Looking back further, there was a PSA-9 in the $170-180 range.

PSA-10 auctioned $715 earlier tonight. That's more than I had remembered them selling for, but looks like people have been picking off BIN-OBOs.

Others recently:
$310 raw, offer
$825 PSA-10, offer
$875 PSA-10, offer
$680 PSA-10, offer
$899 PSA-10 BIN/full price

And to think i let that SGC A+ (whatever the fugg that even is) sit in my cart for a week at $150 before i hit it about a month ago.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by stinkus

And to think i let that SGC A+ (whatever the fugg that even is) sit in my cart for a week at $150 before i hit it about a month ago.

I believe it stands for “authentic.” If it’s the same card I’m thinking of, it had a huge crease on the back. So you probably did just fine skipping on that one.


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[BlueJaysRockies]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Thank you very much. I wanted to keep going but decided to start linking them to my friends so they could have a "couple". GO BLUE JAYS!

[BlueJaysRockies]

Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

Very nice I have 15 Lux Foils grading now 1 purple, TGT reds, WM blues, the foils can be tricky to gem we will see Good luck!

Nice! Hope you hit all 10s. Lux hopefully gets the playing time he deserves this year.

[BlueJaysRockies]

My friends and I just snagged the (7) PSA 9s 2019 Walgreens US1 that were out on eBay last night. Only 31 PSA 9s last I looked so 22.5% between just us. Happy hunting!

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by BlueJaysRockies

My friends and I just snagged the (7) PSA 9s 2019 Walgreens US1 that were out on eBay last night. Only 31 PSA 9s last I looked so 22.5% between just us. Happy hunting!

I have one. Pack pulled, turned down an offer after I got it back from grading that I should have accepted, so I'll just wait and see what happens with these.

[Skunkbush]

Originally Posted by towerymt

I have one. Pack pulled, turned down an offer after I got it back from grading that I should have accepted, so I'll just wait and see what happens with these.

I have a pack pulled one at PSA atm. Probably will 9, but it's in decent shape and is borderline. When I get it back in 2023 I'll post it!

[SGC300ier]

Originally Posted by Skunkbush

I have a pack pulled one at PSA atm. Probably will 9, but it's in decent shape and is borderline. When I get it back in 2023 I'll post it!

Hey he might be a hall of famer by then lol

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[eye4talent]

If you’re going to be up in an hour, this should be a fun auction to watch:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/383929940278


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[towerymt]

Finally showing up, and outpacing the #201 refractor, as expected.



#201 refractor, 714 gem out of 933 graded (76.5%). $200-$250. Almost [3] times more gems than total Update Refractors in existance.

#21 refractor, 34 gem out of 45 graded (75.6%).

$330 still seems low, even with the undesirable 'fielding' image.

[stinkus]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Finally showing up, and outpacing the #201 refractor, as expected.



#201 refractor, 714 gem out of 933 graded (76.5%). $200-$250. Almost 5 times more gems than total Update Refractors in existance.

#21 refractor, 34 gem out of 45 graded (75.6%).

$330 still seems low, even with the undesirable 'fielding' image.

Even with being serial numbered it’s still less desirable than tc. Tc is the series 2 image immortalized in chrome, which was the first flagship rc of his to emerge.
Then again, that’s just my opinion.
I sell hot dogs for a living.

[HarryLime]

I think there's a chance that the TCU may get legs just because it's his Flagship RC image, even though it's not his first Chrome. His US1 cards are going to be popular, which will make that image popular. I could see people chasing Chrome color versions of it.

In full disclosure, I don't own any TCU color/parallel Vlad cards so I'm not pumping.

Arthur

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I think there's a chance that the TCU may get legs just because it's his Flagship RC image, even though it's not his first Chrome. His US1 cards are going to be popular, which will make that image popular. I could see people chasing Chrome color versions of it.

In full disclosure, I don't own any TCU color/parallel Vlad cards so I'm not pumping.

Arthur

What about the NNO? That's the flagship RC image people will associate with, and TC 201 captured that image.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

What about the NNO? That's the flagship RC image people will associate with, and TC 201 captured that image.

I'm referring more to the base card. I'm sure the NNO will be much more valuable than the US1 but the US1 will be considered his paper RC, with it being non-SP, part of the base set, available in all parallels just like any other base card, etc.

I think some may look to 2018 and Acuna and try to draw a correlation but the Acuna was a one-off. There's a precedence of Topps doing SP cards and then in a later series releasing a "base card" and the hobby has always deemed the SP to not be the "RC" card (cue TBP ).

In 2018, the buzz about the series 2 Acuna WAS the image. The words "bat down" are now etched into hobby lore for eternity. There's absolutely none of that with the 2019 Vlad. It's just a regular SP (which isn't nearly as short-printed as the Acuna was and the Acuna has a 22k print run).

Keep in mind, I'm not suggesting the TCU surpasses or even equals the TC. I'm simply saying the TCU parallels will probably have a healthy level of demand due to image and print run. More so than a usual "second card" would receive.

Arthur

[zeus22]

For those who don't check into his YouTube feed...here is the new upload.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5YcF6cexEk

Night & Day shift in his "athleticism". True....it is all about is what happens in his Batting stats, but his approach to improve his defence is commendable. Love to see him get his reps at 3B.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

What about the NNO? That's the flagship RC image people will associate with, and TC 201 captured that image.

They’ll all get love. And I’d say image association, at least at this point, is a minimal consideration—other than maybe in determining the chronological order in which they gain steam.

Considering what we’ve seen in ‘20 with extra flagship parallels, Ben Baller, etc..., the totality of ‘19 options will be perceived as relatively limited. That alone would suggest that Chrome Update and its various refractors will be considered as viable investment/collecting options, in addition to NNO, TC and Update.

And looking at ‘18, Acuna and Gleyber have a similar lineup of flagship/Chrome cards as Vlad. Acuna’s Update base has appeal—and that’s despite being essentially the same card as the complete-set offering. If Gleyber has a bounce-back season, I’m sure his Update PSA 10’s will go crazy.

The slate of Chrome Update refractors differs a little from ‘18 to ‘19, but they’re pretty similar. The various Acuna and Gleyber refractors are strong, so it stands to reason that the Vlads will also be strong. (They already are, really.) On top of that, Soto Mania has given a tremendous boost to Chrome Update refractors that establishes an acceptance of other Chrome Update refractors through that like-card association. (A refractor numbered to 250? Jackpot!)

Likewise, there will be love for base Chrome Updates. The Acuna TCU is a strong seller. That might have something to do with the photo, but it would probably still be strong if it shared an image with paper Update.

At this point, as long as a player is really popular in the hobby, all of these cards will pop. It just might not all happen at once—but rather in waves, as a player’s sustained success leads to greater hobby status.

In Vlad’s case, if he establishes himself as a Miguel Cabrera/Manny Ramirez-level of hitter, everything in the Topps/Topps Chrome/First Release/Update matrix will be popular.

(Regarding the Topps Chrome debate, the #201 will generally be more popular, because it’s a swinging photo instead of a throwing-from-3B photo. The The exceptions will be the TCU refractor /250 and x-fractor /199, because they are so much more scarce than their #201 counterparts. The base, red, orange, gold, blue, and probably purple? #201 all the way.)


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[Maxcd]

I own an X-Fractor of him throwing. It makes absolutely no sense to me how it is less valuable despite there being thousands more Chrome 201s X-Fractors than TCU 21s X-Fractors. It's almost like his Update is being treated like a Rookie Debut card.

[Triple B]

I’ve been buying into the Update refractor for a while. I’m priced out now, but I have 6 total including a PSA 9, PSA 10 and a BGS 10. A refractor /250? As many as I can get.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Maxcd

I own an X-Fractor of him throwing. It makes absolutely no sense to me how it is less valuable despite there being thousands more Chrome 201s X-Fractors than TCU 21s X-Fractors. It's almost like his Update is being treated like a Rookie Debut card.

I’m not defending this, but I think the 201 x-fractor is a little more rare than that. It’s retail-only and just came in the mega boxes. So they’re harder to come by than regular and prism refractors.

But one would think the /199 card should be more valuable. It’s possibly part lag effect (i.e. the Update will catch up) and part a limited appreciation for x-fractors. If there were a major discrepancy between blue refractors, for instance, the market might be quicker to adjust.


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[dream34]

I think they'll both do good (TC & TCU) if Vladdy does well, but I think the ceiling on the TC 201 is the highest simply because it's his 1st Chrome and the same image as his 1st Topps card.

Higher Ceiling = TC 201 (Batting)
Value Play = TCU (Throwing)

I would normally say take the Value play but its 2020-2021 and nothing amazes me anymore.

[Clause37]

Topps used the batting image for his Rookie Card manufactured relic in 2020 series 1, so that's another vote for it being the iconic image. Between the series 1 Mystery Auto, series 2 Nno, and Chrome 201, there is little doubt that the update cards will always lag behind.

I am interested to see how his update rookie debut autos do, although they are stickers. I managed to pull a gold and the prices have been all over the place.