Justin Fields Thread

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by Zauron

What 10 teams? I feel people are overblowing this.

Bills - No
Dolphins - No
Jets - No
Patriots - Yes

Ravens - No
Browns - No
Steelers - Maybe
Bengals - No

Texans - No
Jaguars - No
Colts - No
Titans - I'd say no

Chiefs - No
Raiders - Maybe, O'Connell was playing well
Broncos - Yes
Chargers - No

Cowboys - No
Eagles - No
Giants - Yes
Commanders - Yes

Lions - No
Packers - No
Vikings - Yes?
Bears - Yes/No

Bucs - No
Saints - No
Falcons - Yes
Panthers - No

49ers - No
Rams - No
Seahawks - maybe?
Cardinals - No

I count 5 pretty definite yes, 4 are maybe. Keep in mind if some of those teams go away with their QB, the following are available as well:

Jimmy G
Baker
Cousins
Tannehill

Then you have probable 4 1st round picks in Caleb, Maye, Daniels and Penix.

Add jj and nix to those 4. All in first 40 picks imo


But I agree it’s all over blown. Hopefully these qbs can sit for half or full season

The Jordan love experiment has went amazing

[Scottish Punk]

You two aren't far off when you say 10 teams could be changing their starting QBs. Now you are correct, not all of them will be looking at Fields as the answer.

AFC - Pats (yes), Steelers (Probably?, I think they are done with Pickett), Titans (Agree No, likely let Levis run it next year), Raiders (yes), Broncos (yes) - 4 teams

NFC - Giants (yes), Commanders (yes), Vikings (yes, could just resign Cousins), Bears (yes), Bucs (yes), Saints (maybe, moving off Carr is doable but more likely next year), Falcons (yes), Seahawks (agree maybe, likely draft). 6-7 teams

Bears, Commanders, and Patriots would just draft their guy. Giants could as well at 6 depending how the draft falls.

Vikings could just resign Cousins and Bucs could give Baker a whirl. Whatever will happen, there will be a lot of QB movement this off season. I would say next as well as some of these teams will move off the draft picks that aren't working out.

[Asian62150]

I think 10 teams are absolutely running it back with the same QB next year (Ravens, 49ers, Cowboys, Bills, Chiefs, Eagles, Texans, Bengals, Jags, and Chargers) barring an injury in the playoffs.

Other teams like the Packers, Jets, Cardinals, and Panthers probably aren't going to trade for Fields but if they had the #1 overall pick, would they absolutely pass on drafting a QB?

The remaining teams are unsettled at QB. Maybe nothing is done this spring/summer, but those teams are at least having discussions about how to improve their QB room.

Like Scottish said, not every team is going to think Fields is the answer but there will be plenty of teams kicking the tires on him. All it takes is one coach with the ego to think "if only Fields were in my system" or one desperate owner who wants to make a splash and generate some buzz/attention going into next season. And if two teams think that way? Da Bears will have themselves a nice bidding war.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

I think 10 teams are absolutely running it back with the same QB next year (Ravens, 49ers, Cowboys, Bills, Chiefs, Eagles, Texans, Bengals, Jags, and Chargers) barring an injury in the playoffs.

Other teams like the Packers, Jets, Cardinals, and Panthers probably aren't going to trade for Fields but if they had the #1 overall pick, would they absolutely pass on drafting a QB?

The remaining teams are unsettled at QB. Maybe nothing is done this spring/summer, but those teams are at least having discussions about how to improve their QB room.

Like Scottish said, not every team is going to think Fields is the answer but there will be plenty of teams kicking the tires on him. All it takes is one coach with the ego to think "if only Fields were in my system" or one desperate owner who wants to make a splash and generate some buzz/attention going into next season. And if two teams think that way? Da Bears will have themselves a nice bidding war.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Not saying the Packers would 100% draft a QB, but they'd at least talk seriously about it, yeah?

Love has been good (and he's on a reasonable contract), but a couple months ago they were ready to move off him.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

I think 10 teams are absolutely running it back with the same QB next year (Ravens, 49ers, Cowboys, Bills, Chiefs, Eagles, Texans, Bengals, Jags, and Chargers) barring an injury in the playoffs.

Other teams like the Packers, Jets, Cardinals, and Panthers probably aren't going to trade for Fields but if they had the #1 overall pick, would they absolutely pass on drafting a QB?

The remaining teams are unsettled at QB. Maybe nothing is done this spring/summer, but those teams are at least having discussions about how to improve their QB room.

Like Scottish said, not every team is going to think Fields is the answer but there will be plenty of teams kicking the tires on him. All it takes is one coach with the ego to think "if only Fields were in my system" or one desperate owner who wants to make a splash and generate some buzz/attention going into next season. And if two teams think that way? Da Bears will have themselves a nice bidding war.

10 teams? These teams 100% are not changing QB:

1 - Bills
2 - Dolphins
3 - Ravens
4 - Browns
5 - Bengals
6 - Texans
7 - Jaguars
8 - Colts
9 - Chiefs
10 - Chargers
11 - Cowboys
12 - Eagles
13 - Lions
14 - Packers
15 - Panthers
16 - 49ers
17 - Rams
18 - Cardinals

I feel confident Cards won't move on from Murray

That said, I feel these teams are going to roll with their QB next year:

19 - Jets - Rodgers
20 - Steelers - Pickett
21 - Titans - Levis
22 - Bucs - Mayfield
23 - Saints - Carr

That's 9 teams with questions, 1 of them the Vikings with Cousins who will be picked up by someone.

Tannehill will be picked up by someone probably. Will the Raiders cut Jimmy G? Who picks up Russ Wilson?

24 - Patriots - likely taking a QB round 1
25 - Raiders - maybe they try out O'Connell or stick with Jimmy G
26 - Broncos - no idea what they will do
27 - Giants - no clue what their plan is
28 - Commanders taking QB round 1
29 - Vikings - roll with Cousins still, or ???
30 - Bears - either stick with Fields or take QB round 1
31 - Falcons - probably looking to take a Qb round 1
32 - Seahawks - probably rolling with Geno still

You'll have 4 vet QB's likely looking to be picked up, 4 teams looking to draft a QB early at minimum.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Not saying the Packers would 100% draft a QB, but they'd at least talk seriously about it, yeah?

Love has been good (and he's on a reasonable contract), but a couple months ago they were ready to move off him.

You could say any team would take a QB #1 overall. That means they had a horrible year and likely they had poor QB play. GB though had great QB out of Love this year. They will not at all consider replacing him. The team was not ready to replace him only talk of that was the media and dumb fans. GB 100% has their QB of the future in Love.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Zauron

10 teams? These teams 100% are not changing QB:

1 - Bills
2 - Dolphins
3 - Ravens
4 - Browns
5 - Bengals
6 - Texans
7 - Jaguars
8 - Colts
9 - Chiefs
10 - Chargers
11 - Cowboys
12 - Eagles
13 - Lions
14 - Packers
15 - Panthers
16 - 49ers
17 - Rams
18 - Cardinals

I feel confident Cards won't move on from Murray

That said, I feel these teams are going to roll with their QB next year:

19 - Jets - Rodgers
20 - Steelers - Pickett
21 - Titans - Levis
22 - Bucs - Mayfield
23 - Saints - Carr

That's 9 teams with questions, 1 of them the Vikings with Cousins who will be picked up by someone.

Tannehill will be picked up by someone probably. Will the Raiders cut Jimmy G? Who picks up Russ Wilson?

24 - Patriots - likely taking a QB round 1
25 - Raiders - maybe they try out O'Connell or stick with Jimmy G
26 - Broncos - no idea what they will do
27 - Giants - no clue what their plan is
28 - Commanders taking QB round 1
29 - Vikings - roll with Cousins still, or ???
30 - Bears - either stick with Fields or take QB round 1
31 - Falcons - probably looking to take a Qb round 1
32 - Seahawks - probably rolling with Geno still

You'll have 4 vet QB's likely looking to be picked up, 4 teams looking to draft a QB early at minimum.

I think 13 teams had a different starting QBs from last year to this year (could be off a little) and the rookie QB and FA class wasn't even that great leading up to the draft.

If 18-23 teams know on Jan 8th that they are 100% not changing their starting QB for the 2024 season, then a lot of these decision makers are doing a disservice to their respective organizations.

NFL starting QB is the most important on-field position in team sports. If you don't think your guy can carry you to the promised land, at minimum you should be having discussions about how to improve that area.

But as far as Da Bears are concerned, all they need is 1 desperate team to bite and 2 desperate teams to generate a bidding war.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by Zauron

10 teams? These teams 100% are not changing QB:

1 - Bills
2 - Dolphins
3 - Ravens
4 - Browns
5 - Bengals
6 - Texans
7 - Jaguars
8 - Colts
9 - Chiefs
10 - Chargers
11 - Cowboys
12 - Eagles
13 - Lions
14 - Packers
15 - Panthers
16 - 49ers
17 - Rams
18 - Cardinals

I feel confident Cards won't move on from Murray

That said, I feel these teams are going to roll with their QB next year:

19 - Jets - Rodgers
20 - Steelers - Pickett
21 - Titans - Levis
22 - Bucs - Mayfield
23 - Saints - Carr

That's 9 teams with questions, 1 of them the Vikings with Cousins who will be picked up by someone.

Tannehill will be picked up by someone probably. Will the Raiders cut Jimmy G? Who picks up Russ Wilson?

24 - Patriots - likely taking a QB round 1
25 - Raiders - maybe they try out O'Connell or stick with Jimmy G
26 - Broncos - no idea what they will do
27 - Giants - no clue what their plan is
28 - Commanders taking QB round 1
29 - Vikings - roll with Cousins still, or ???
30 - Bears - either stick with Fields or take QB round 1
31 - Falcons - probably looking to take a Qb round 1
32 - Seahawks - probably rolling with Geno still

You'll have 4 vet QB's likely looking to be picked up, 4 teams looking to draft a QB early at minimum.

1-18, agreed
19-23, I think the Steelers could bring in Fields to battle Pickett. Doesn't sound like they are sold on Kenny especially after the benching at the end of the year. Other ones agreed
24-32, Pats & Commanders taking a QB. Giants and Vikings probably are as well, plus an intra-division QB trade? Dicey. Seahawks... I don't see Pete Carroll wanting another "hold the ball too long" type again. Raiders and Falcons will have new HCs without loyalty to the existing dudes so they could be in the mix.

I see Fields most likely destinations as the Falcons, Raiders, Steelers, Bears, and an outside chance of the Commanders depending on the new HC.

[Grid]

I like Fields. As a person, a leader and an athlete. I wish he was better! I wish the team knew what to do with him, to get the most out of his talents. But wishing only goes so far.

Jordan Love in year one as a starter, 4,152 yards. 32 TDs to 11 INTs and throwing to a very average receiving corp.

CJ Stroud as a rookie. In only 15 games. 4,108 yards. 23 TDs to 5 INTs and throwing to a bunch of nobodies.

Neither is behind an All Pro line throwing to Pro Bowl receivers.

The Bears line isnt that bad. Kmet and Moore are legit receivers. Fields should be throwing more than 2500 yards and 16 TDs and 9 INTs. His numbers are nearly the same per game as last year. Even with a mostly healthy Jenkins (2nd rd pick in 2021), Wright (#10 pick last draft) and bringing in Nate Davis.

Line was addressed. Receivers were addressed. This should have been a break out year for Fields.

[Grid]

If the Bears have seen enough to keep building around him, they need to call his agent and see what he needs on a longer deal. If Justin's side wants a 4 year $160MIL deal like Daniel Jones got. Or a 5 year $230MIL deal for Kyler Murray...

Move on and draft a QB with the #1. Reset the money clock with a rookie QB and keep adding pieces to the team.

If they are willing to take 3 years and $50MIL, you do it and build around him. If he would rather walk/get traded, and go the Trubisky 3 year $20MIL route on the street. Thats on him.

The Bears hold the leverage.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Grid

I like Fields. As a person, a leader and an athlete. I wish he was better! I wish the team knew what to do with him, to get the most out of his talents. But wishing only goes so far.

Jordan Love in year one as a starter, 4,152 yards. 32 TDs to 11 INTs and throwing to a very average receiving corp.

CJ Stroud as a rookie. In only 15 games. 4,108 yards. 23 TDs to 5 INTs and throwing to a bunch of nobodies.

Neither is behind an All Pro line throwing to Pro Bowl receivers.

The Bears line isnt that bad. Kmet and Moore are legit receivers. Fields should be throwing more than 2500 yards and 16 TDs and 9 INTs. His numbers are nearly the same per game as last year. Even with a mostly healthy Jenkins (2nd rd pick in 2021), Wright (#10 pick last draft) and bringing in Nate Davis.

Line was addressed. Receivers were addressed. This should have been a break out year for Fields.

Jordan Love played 17 games
Justin Fields played 13 games

Justin Fields had 657 yards rushing
Jordan Love had 247 yards rushing

CJ Stroud is one of the Top 5 QB’s in Football at this point. He’s on a different level

Just some context

[packman80]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Jordan Love played 17 games
Justin Fields played 13 games

Justin Fields had 657 yards rushing
Jordan Love had 247 yards rushing

CJ Stroud is one of the Top 5 QB’s in Football at this point. He’s on a different level

Just some context

No one besides you think stroud is a top 5 qb. Don't get me wrong he's good but way to early to say he's top 5. Can he become a top 5 qb? Yes

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by packman80

No one besides you think stroud is a top 5 qb. Don't get me wrong he's good but way to early to say he's top 5. Can he become a top 5 qb? Yes

Not the point but OK

It was hyperbole that I wouldn’t compare Fields or Love to Stroud right now

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Not saying the Packers would 100% draft a QB, but they'd at least talk seriously about it, yeah?

Love has been good (and he's on a reasonable contract), but a couple months ago they were ready to move off him.

Yeah, no.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Jordan Love played 17 games
Justin Fields played 13 games

Justin Fields had 657 yards rushing
Jordan Love had 247 yards rushing

CJ Stroud is one of the Top 5 QB’s in Football at this point. He’s on a different level

Just some context

That gives Love 244 passing yards and almost 2 TDs per game VS Fields 192 and just over 1 TD per game.

I don't need context to do math. The Bears have never had a QB pass for 4,000 yards in a season. And Love & Stroud did it their first at bat.

And I agree, Stroud is at a different level. Which is the argument against Fields. You dont need a HOF coach, All pro Line and Pro Bowl receivers like people are saying Fields needs to be successful. Neither Love or Stroud have anything close to that. And yet...

[Grid]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Not the point but OK

It was hyperbole that I wouldn’t compare Fields or Love to Stroud right now

And that is exactly my point. In year 3 of being a starter, Fields isnt close to two year 1 starters in equal or arguably worse situations than he was in this season.

It should be the other way around, where the year 3 QB is doing better than year 1's.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

I think 13 teams had a different starting QBs from last year to this year (could be off a little) and the rookie QB and FA class wasn't even that great leading up to the draft.

If 18-23 teams know on Jan 8th that they are 100% not changing their starting QB for the 2024 season, then a lot of these decision makers are doing a disservice to their respective organizations.

NFL starting QB is the most important on-field position in team sports. If you don't think your guy can carry you to the promised land, at minimum you should be having discussions about how to improve that area.

But as far as Da Bears are concerned, all they need is 1 desperate team to bite and 2 desperate teams to generate a bidding war.

I think I count 9.

Jets
Texans
Colts
Raiders
Commanders
Packers
Bucs
Saints
Panthers

2 of those teams had their new starter already on the team in Packers and Commanders. So IMO that's really 7.

Jets - traded for Rodgers
Raiders - signed Jimmy G
Bucs - took a flyer on Baker
Saints - signed Carr

The rest 3 took a QB high in the draft.

There's probably only 3 QB's being taken high to be new starters this season.

You have Russ, Cousins, Tannehill, Baker as top free agents likely out there, with also Jameis, Minshew, and honestly Sam Darnold as free agents that could attract a cheap bridge QB play.

While QB is important, you also can't just throw guns out at a project. That's how people on these teams lose jobs.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Zauron

I think I count 9.

Jets
Texans
Colts
Raiders
Commanders
Packers
Bucs
Saints
Panthers

2 of those teams had their new starter already on the team in Packers and Commanders. So IMO that's really 7.

Jets - traded for Rodgers
Raiders - signed Jimmy G
Bucs - took a flyer on Baker
Saints - signed Carr

The rest 3 took a QB high in the draft.

There's probably only 3 QB's being taken high to be new starters this season.

You have Russ, Cousins, Tannehill, Baker as top free agents likely out there, with also Jameis, Minshew, and honestly Sam Darnold as free agents that could attract a cheap bridge QB play.

While QB is important, you also can't just throw guns out at a project. That's how people on these teams lose jobs.

Jets have 2 more years of Rodgers, and he was never their long term solution at QB. Jimmy G, Carr etc all have easy outs in a year or two. Even teams with QB's like that, would still want to draft one high. Or bring in a project IE Fields. As their starters are clearly not the answers they hoped they would be. And all of them, like Cousins or Russ, are very pricey.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Grid

Jets have 2 more years of Rodgers, and he was never their long term solution at QB. Jimmy G, Carr etc all have easy outs in a year or two. Even teams with QB's like that, would still want to draft one high. Or bring in a project IE Fields. As their starters are clearly not the answers they hoped they would be. And all of them, like Cousins or Russ, are very pricey.

Heck I would not even bet on more then one year of Rodgers. This is a guy who likes to play the well I may or not retire game each year. Bad year by Jets he might just say screw it we won't win in 2025 so I am done. Rumor is Jets want a vet QB but will Jets trade for a guy like Fields and sign him long term which they would need to do?

[Asian62150]

Another team that might be looking to change QBs is the Dolphins. I'm not sure they're 100% sold on Tua. He's struggling to throw outside the numbers. Or at least teams are bracketing him and daring him to do that and he's not having much success.

They could run it back with him and maybe they're not going for Fields, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're having discussions this spring about what to do. Plus, I know every player in the NFL is one big hit from being done, but Tua more than most players.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Another team that might be looking to change QBs is the Dolphins. I'm not sure they're 100% sold on Tua. He's struggling to throw outside the numbers. Or at least teams are bracketing him and daring him to do that and he's not having much success.

They could run it back with him and maybe they're not going for Fields, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're having discussions this spring about what to do. Plus, I know every player in the NFL is one big hit from being done, but Tua more than most players.

Stop it.

The Packers and Dolphins aren't looking to make changes at QB.

When you look at how poor some of the QB play has been this year, I'm sure the Packers and Dolphins are very happy with what they have in their QBs.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by packman80

Heck I would not even bet on more then one year of Rodgers. This is a guy who likes to play the well I may or not retire game each year. Bad year by Jets he might just say screw it we won't win in 2025 so I am done. Rumor is Jets want a vet QB but will Jets trade for a guy like Fields and sign him long term which they would need to do?

Exactly. They assumed all they needed was a legit QB, and the rest of the team was a contender. That is why they went all in on Rodgers.

They wouldnt have to give Fields a long term deal. They would trade for him, and pick up his 5th year option. He would be playing the next 2 years for like $10MIL total. The same as the Cowboys are paying Trey Lance.

They get him in house for a couple years. Let him cook under the vet and learn their system. And by year 2 over there, he is either ready to take over from the Vet. Or they let his cheap contract run out.

[Retired hobbist]

Originally Posted by Grid

If the Bears have seen enough to keep building around him, they need to call his agent and see what he needs on a longer deal. If Justin's side wants a 4 year $160MIL deal like Daniel Jones got. Or a 5 year $230MIL deal for Kyler Murray...

Move on and draft a QB with the #1. Reset the money clock with a rookie QB and keep adding pieces to the team.

If they are willing to take 3 years and $50MIL, you do it and build around him. If he would rather walk/get traded, and go the Trubisky 3 year $20MIL route on the street. Thats on him.

The Bears hold the leverage.

At this point in his career arc he isn't even Jones maybe he is Jones light but that's it as Jones lead his team to the playoffs and his team pulled off an upset in the playoffs.

I would offer Fields and his team some kind of bridge deal with the option to renogtiate after the 24' season.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Grid

Exactly. They assumed all they needed was a legit QB, and the rest of the team was a contender. That is why they went all in on Rodgers.

They wouldnt have to give Fields a long term deal. They would trade for him, and pick up his 5th year option. He would be playing the next 2 years for like $10MIL total. The same as the Cowboys are paying Trey Lance.

They get him in house for a couple years. Let him cook under the vet and learn their system. And by year 2 over there, he is either ready to take over from the Vet. Or they let his cheap contract run out.

5th year option you pick it up would the Jets be OK paying Fields over $20 million to be Rodgers backup if Rodgers decides to play 2025?