The absurdity of ebay's authenticity guarantee

[Crosby 87]

I would also just engage Ebay only at this point and no contact with the seller. Maybe also tip off ebay about how the same card is for sale in two different places at same time

[DynaEtch]

The 249.99 being .01 below eBay AG limit- have to keep in mind it’s an auction though and thats only starting bid, so as long as it gets more than 1 bid, it would be then be over the threshold. A devious seller youd think would just list it at 249.99 BIN so as to definitely not go through the program- why even have that be an auctionto go above eBay AG threshold if it’s definitely a fake. Unless seller has some mysterious way of avoiding eBay AG even above the threshold based on what happened to that example.

The COMC example- not 100% means one is fake, but does look shady. I say not 100% because in theory a seller could list a card on eBay thats actually on their comc account, and if it sells, just send it to the buyer direct from the COMC account (changing their ship to address on comc), I’ve seen sellers do it. But it doesn’t really make sense to do this since comc cards are already cross posted to eBay generally (albeit for a higher price). That aside, id say this is still a major flag. Is it definitely the same 1/1 card? Not a variation on the set or anything? I don’t know anything about these football sets. The ones on eBay given the seller has so many possibly sheet cut or something? The mere fact a seller has several 1/1s from the same set doesnt 100% mean anything- any collector could just have gone nuts collecting that 1/1 set over decades. But suspicious.

I’d be most curious how the one you bought bypassed eBay AG. With the checkmark on this listing, only ways I was aware that could happen are:

1. Buyer has PO Box
2. Buyer has a reshipper address
3. Buyer is international or has an international country listed on the account ID yet still using a domestic shipping address.

I’d call eBay and figure out why it didn’t go

[QuinEarlyDoucet]

I actually asked him if he sells on COMC too (when I saw the Elway 1/1) he said "I have never heard of COMC"

Asked him about how he got so many 1/1 of Clear Cuts ....He said he was collecting the set since the 90's and realized he could never get it so he is selling off.

Correct, no variations of the set - there is /500 version and 1/1 version that is it from what I can tell. Sample Promos too but they look different.

Can I trouble you for a good number to contact eBay with over the phone? Hard to believe been on eBay since 1996 and have never had to even try to call them. Not sure if there is even a good number or not.

Thanks bro!

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

The 249.99 being .01 below eBay AG limit- have to keep in mind it’s an auction though and thats only starting bid, so as long as it gets more than 1 bid, it would be then be over the threshold. A devious seller youd think would just list it at 249.99 BIN so as to definitely not go through the program- why even have that be an auctionto go above eBay AG threshold if it’s definitely a fake. Unless seller has some mysterious way of avoiding eBay AG even above the threshold based on what happened to that example.

The COMC example- not 100% means one is fake, but does look shady. I say not 100% because in theory a seller could list a card on eBay thats actually on their comc account, and if it sells, just send it to the buyer direct from the COMC account (changing their ship to address on comc), I’ve seen sellers do it. But it doesn’t really make sense to do this since comc cards are already cross posted to eBay generally (albeit for a higher price). That aside, id say this is still a major flag. Is it definitely the same 1/1 card? Not a variation on the set or anything? I don’t know anything about these football sets. The ones on eBay given the seller has so many possibly sheet cut or something? The mere fact a seller has several 1/1s from the same set doesnt 100% mean anything- any collector could just have gone nuts collecting that 1/1 set over decades. But it is perhaps suspicious.

I’d be most curious how the one you bought bypassed eBay AG. With the checkmark on this listing, only ways I was aware that could happen are:

1. Buyer has PO Box
2. Buyer has a reshipper address
3. Buyer is international or has an international country listed on the account ID yet still using a domestic shipping address.

I’d call eBay and figure out why it didn’t go

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by QuinEarlyDoucet

I actually asked him if he sells on COMC too (when I saw the Elway 1/1) he said "I have never heard of COMC"

Asked him about how he got so many 1/1 of Clear Cuts ....He said he was collecting the set since the 90's and realized he could never get it so he is selling off.

Correct, no variations of the set - there is /500 version and 1/1 version that is it from what I can tell. Sample Promos too but they look different.

Can I trouble you for a good number to contact eBay with over the phone? Hard to believe been on eBay since 1996 and have never had to even try to call them. Not sure if there is even a good number or not.

Thanks bro!

Hmmm interesting. Yea lots of questions here and I don’t blame you one bit for just returning it once it gets there.

Absolutely doesn’t hurt to call eBay just to see what they say also. Sadly eBay makes it tedious to call them now…actually you can’t just call eBay with a phone number, you have to go through the help menu on the site and have them call you.

You go to help pages, search “contact eBay”, then click on the link Contact eBay, then at bottom there is a button that says Contact Us, then select Buying -> how buying works on eBay (select anything here, doesn’t matter), they may make you select the item in question. Then click on chat with automated assistant. Then type in “need to call eBay”, then they will make you type in a few more things like what you’re asking about…continue to push it by saying “call eBay”, eventually itll ask if you want them to call you. Once on phone with them, make it clear it’s an eBay AG listing and need to talk to the eBay AG department, where they will transfer you to a phone rep based here in the US who actually knows things about cards and the AG process.

Man 1996, thats pretty dang impressive for eBay!

[QuinEarlyDoucet]

Alright - the dumb#@#@#@ery of eBay truly knows no bounds.

- hammered the instructions from Dyna to get to a human after like 10 mins. brutal (thx again though Dyna)

- spoke to eBay first. Rep told me he doesn't know why it didn't make seller send right to AG. Fine. Then Rep tells me I NEED TO OPEN A RETURN AND SEND DIRECTLY to AG. Seriously? Hammered him for 15 minutes on why he was wrong got a supervisor , supervisor finally transfers me to EBAY AG.

- EBAY AG was very helpful. I explained situation and they said that they dont know WHY the seller was able to send card directly to me and not directly to AG Hub Like they should have. They thought maybe a glitch. All they could do was take my feedback which of course was "IF A BUYER IS BUYING A CARD WITH AG THE SELLER SHOULD ONLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHIP DIRECTLY TO AG - THEY SHOULD NOT EVEN HAVE THE BUYER's ADDRESS b/c IT CONFUSES THEM."

EBAY AG told me to just open up a IND request once I receive it and that I am covered. Which I know.

So there we go. Do not really have any answers as to why this happened. Sorry I couldn't get more it is just absolutely horrible dealing with eBay.

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Hmmm interesting. Yea lots of questions here and I don’t blame you one bit for just returning it once it gets there.

Absolutely doesn’t hurt to call eBay just to see what they say also. Sadly eBay makes it tedious to call them now…actually you can’t just call eBay with a phone number, you have to go through the help menu on the site and have them call you.

You go to help pages, search “contact eBay”, then click on the link Contact eBay, then at bottom there is a button that says Contact Us, then select Buying -> how buying works on eBay (select anything here, doesn’t matter), they may make you select the item in question. Then click on chat with automated assistant. Then type in “need to call eBay”, then they will make you type in a few more things like what you’re asking about…continue to push it by saying “call eBay”, eventually itll ask if you want them to call you. Once on phone with them, make it clear it’s an eBay AG listing and need to talk to the eBay AG department, where they will transfer you to a phone rep based here in the US who actually knows things about cards and the AG process.

Man 1996, thats pretty dang impressive for eBay!

[QuinEarlyDoucet]

So here’s a summary with pics of the nonsense of this Clear Cuts Set and how F’d up eBay not giving AG for my TB Purchase. I am returning to seller right now.


First Elway is my seller’s card and second one is another listed currently on COMC.






First Dunn 1/1 is my sellers and second is another listed on eBay from someone else.





Two Eddie George 1/1 - both graded by PSA. Boy, that’s gotta make us feel good about psa

[JeffG1954]

They do appear to be different colors....so maybe 1/1 Blue, 1/1 Red, 1/1 Brown....I don't know, just putting it out there, I know nothing about this product.

[QuinEarlyDoucet]

I was thinking that but if that’s the case I’m even less interested in the set personally. Just not my cup of tea but who knows - hoping some big 90’s inserts masters can opine

Originally Posted by JeffG1954

They do appear to be different colors....so maybe 1/1 Blue, 1/1 Red, 1/1 Brown....I don't know, just putting it out there, I know nothing about this product.

[QuinEarlyDoucet]

I just started a thread in Football Hobby Talk about this set - maybe we can all learn more

[Jaypers]

Recently sold a high-end Sal Stewart auto via auction. Ended at over $3k, yet eBay told me to ship directly to the buyer, which I did. The AG checkmark was there when it was live, too. No idea why this happened. Hopefully the buyer is satisfied when he gets it. The description of the card's condition was very clear.

Link - https://www.ebay.com/itm/366375248372

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

Recently sold a high-end Sal Stewart auto via auction. Ended at over $3k, yet eBay told me to ship directly to the buyer, which I did. The AG checkmark was there when it was live, too. No idea why this happened. Hopefully the buyer is satisfied when he gets it. The description of the card's condition was very clear.

Link - https://www.ebay.com/itm/366375248372

FYI, that link is taking me to a live item. I even copied and pasted. I was able to find it by searching for item #, the going to sold listings.

You'd definitely be good if it went through AG. I hope it works out.

[smanzari]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

Recently sold a high-end Sal Stewart auto via auction. Ended at over $3k, yet eBay told me to ship directly to the buyer, which I did. The AG checkmark was there when it was live, too. No idea why this happened. Hopefully the buyer is satisfied when he gets it. The description of the card's condition was very clear.

Link - https://www.ebay.com/itm/366375248372

I've actually had a couple of these - total assumption, but I think there could be scenarios where "internal risk ratings" of both the Buyer/Seller are low enough, the system determines its not needed. Looks like both you and the buyer have a good amount of positive Feedback (5,000+), so I don't think its a stretch to think it could have happened here as well

[pewe]

I bought a graded card on eBay (even listed that way in the item title) and it’s being shipped to the authenticator… I thought graded cards come straight to me… am I mistaken???


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[QuinEarlyDoucet]

Even if graded will go to AG first as long as it’s over $250

Originally Posted by pewe

I bought a graded card on eBay (even listed that way in the item title) and it’s being shipped to the authenticator… I thought graded cards come straight to me… am I mistaken???


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[JeffG1954]

Originally Posted by pewe

I bought a graded card on eBay (even listed that way in the item title) and it’s being shipped to the authenticator… I thought graded cards come straight to me… am I mistaken???


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I believe that they are authenticating the slab, nothing to do with the actual card.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by JeffG1954

I believe that they are authenticating the slab, nothing to do with the actual card.

Originally Posted by QuinEarlyDoucet

Even if graded will go to AG first as long as it’s over $250

Thanks! I rarely buy graded cards, I guess I’d forgotten they do this.

Fake slabs = gross


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[frenchquarter]

Originally Posted by QuinEarlyDoucet

So here’s a summary with pics of the nonsense of this Clear Cuts Set and how F’d up eBay not giving AG for my TB Purchase. I am returning to seller right now.


First Elway is my seller’s card and second one is another listed currently on COMC.






First Dunn 1/1 is my sellers and second is another listed on eBay from someone else.





Two Eddie George 1/1 - both graded by PSA. Boy, that’s gotta make us feel good about psa

OK, I am a little confused - as always. The cards on COMC all are from 1998 yet the ones from this seller are from 1997. ?

[QuinEarlyDoucet]

Yeah they all say Score Board 1997 on the back. But all records classify them as 1998. Weird thing that used to happen every now and then back then.

Originally Posted by frenchquarter

OK, I am a little confused - as always. The cards on COMC all are from 1998 yet the ones from this seller are from 1997. ?

[jamcas997]

Just sold a $650 card and it is going to EBAYS Glendale facility on an international shipment.