Rolling 2023 Bowman Chrome Autograph Checklist Thread

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by theredmenace

When you say the product got too expensive, what timeframe are we talking about? Breakers have been around for a long time, at least 10 years.

The funny thing is break participants don’t even realize that they themselves have created the monster that is the high box prices we see today. It’s evolved over the last decade and it’s funny people are numb or simply unaware of it. Thai is exactly how the industry likes it.

[brothertona]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

The funny thing is break participants don’t even realize that they themselves have created the monster that is the high box prices we see today. It’s evolved over the last decade and it’s funny people are numb or simply unaware of it. Thai is exactly how the industry likes it.

You’re saying this like it’s all bad, I only really collect Braves cards - I will buy a few boxes of everything but if I do a case it’s $150 for a case of Braves. Why am I buying a case of cards I don’t collect?


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[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

The first break I personally remember was at my local card shop in 2001 or 2002 when Upper Deck Ultimate Collection came out at $100 a pack. None of us regulars were going to support that price, but coming together to spread out the risk was an option.

Back in the day, 10 people would each pitch in $10 for that $100 pack. Sounds great. Then to replace the product, as demand increased and more people wanted to do breaks, maybe everyone would be willing to pitch in $12-$15 per spot for that $100 box, just to get more product and the break going.

It’s now evolved to the point where those ten dudes are willing to pitch in $40 per spot ($30 more than back in the day), but the total box cost now is $400, for that $100 box. The potential contents didn’t change. The price people were wiling to gamble did.

Singles have artificially seen a price increase as folks figured, if I’m paying more for the box, why not pay more for the singles. It got to an extreme during the pandemic, but as we see prices for singles crash down more, suddenly that higher buy in isn’t so attractive and maybe box prices will head back down again due to less demand. With time, fanatics will need to adjust downwards to reflect that.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by brothertona

You’re saying this like it’s all bad, I only really collect Braves cards - I will buy a few boxes of everything but if I do a case it’s $150 for a case of Braves. Why am I buying a case of cards I don’t collect?


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Like I said, it’s good for you maybe because you get all braves, but for every single team collector (all 30 of you), you are paying more for the box as a whole for that luxury, and that’s what drives the overall box prices higher, demand from “team collectors” and other people who get into breaks (degenerate gamblers).

You are willing to pay more for that box so you can only get braves cards.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Like I said, it’s good for you maybe because you get all braves, but for every single team collector (all 30 of you), you are paying more for the box as a whole for that luxury, and that’s what drives the overall box prices higher, demand from “team collectors” and other people who get into breaks (degenerate gamblers).

You are willing to pay more for that box so you can only get braves cards.

Right, so you agree it isn't the breakers you have a problem with that drives the prices up. It's the fact that people participate in the hobby in a different way than you and are willing to spend more than you. Sorry about your luck. You don't hate breakers. You hate yourself for not having enough money to enjoy the hobby the way you want to.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Right, so you agree it isn't the breakers you have a problem with that drives the prices up. It's the fact that people participate in the hobby in a different way than you and are willing to spend more than you. Sorry about your luck. You don't hate breakers. You hate yourself for not having enough money to enjoy the hobby the way you want to.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of people who get into breaks aren’t “team collectors”.

They are degenerate gamblers, especially those who get into random team breaks

And I wouldn’t necessarily call people who don’t get into breaks “poor” either. It was the poor people who benefited from breaks in the first place.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Unfortunately, the vast majority of people who get into breaks aren’t “team collectors”.

They are degenerate gamblers, especially those who get into random team breaks

And I wouldn’t necessarily call people who don’t get into breaks “poor” either. It was the poor people who benefited from breaks in the first place.

Call them degenerate gamblers, or whatever derogatory name you want. They are people in the same hobby market as you who participate differently than you and are willing to pay more than you. That's a free market. Sorry the market left you behind. Maybe one day those people will leave and you'll be happy again. But until then, it's your fellow hobby members that are your problem, not the breakers catering to them.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Call them degenerate gamblers, or whatever derogatory name you want. They are people in the same hobby market as you who participate differently than you and are willing to pay more than you. That's a free market. Sorry the market left you behind. Maybe one day those people will leave and you'll be happy again. But until then, it's your fellow hobby members that are your problem, not the breakers catering to them.

Well of course, it starts with the Johns/break participants. Once the environment becomes less friendly for them (too costly/too much money lost), all prices drop. It becomes a better environment for everyone else.

People who get into breaks continue to live in their caves and fail to realize they are increasing costs for themselves unnecessarily. Hopefully one day this light will turn on in their heads and they realize their costly decision. Then again, you can’t fix degenerate.

In the short term I’m rooting for fanatics to help cure the breaker culture, ironically, by making it too costly for everyone.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Well of course, it starts with the Johns/break participants. Once the environment becomes less friendly for them (too costly/too much money lost), all prices drop. It becomes a better environment for everyone else.

People who get into breaks continue to live in their caves and fail to realize they are increasing costs for themselves unnecessarily. Hopefully one day this light will turn on in their heads and they realize their costly decision. Then again, you can’t fix degenerate.

In the short term I’m rooting for fanatics to help cure the breaker culture, ironically, by making it too costly for everyone.

That's your problem. You assume that because they are willing to spend more than you for something that they must be stupid or degenerate addicts. That's the egotistical fantasy world you live in. It's entirely possible that they know exactly what they are doing and just see personal value in how they spend their money and make completely rational decisions, even if you disagree with them or wouldn't do it yourself. Sure, there are some people who don't know any better. But many do, and just have a different value on their personal choice of hobby experience than you. I don't break or really even open boxes. I just despise the attitude that if someone does something different than me or believes something different than me they must be stupid or evil. It's disgusting and everything that's wrong with our society.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

That's your problem. You assume that because they are willing to spend more than you for something that they must be stupid or degenerate addicts. That's the egotistical fantasy world you live in. It's entirely possible that they know exactly what they are doing and just see personal value in how they spend their money and make completely rational decisions, even if you disagree with them or wouldn't do it yourself. Sure, there are some people who don't know any better. But many do, and just have a different value on their personal choice of hobby experience than you. I don't break or really even open boxes. I just despise the attitude that if someone does something different than me or believes something different than me they must be stupid or evil. It's disgusting and everything that's wrong with our society.

I’m just rooting for the collapse of the hobby juggernaut that has in my opinion gotten out of hand.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Yea not sure where bottom will be but im holding out for 150ish range. Will be some big names in bowman draft so hopefully when that fomo hits his prices drop even further. If they go sub 150 then will look to pick up some of the bigger ones if priced accordingly.

Was planning to buy a ton of schanuel and Langford (pre draft plan) but will be priced out of both those guys now so May as well poor it into more Salas

One thing I've noticed over the last 15 months or so...the color multiplier can get out of whack. You may see $150 base, but the Gold /50 will sell for $2400, implying a $300 base (numbers for illustration). That said, if the refractor /499 is down to $375 (implying a $250 base) right now, there is a good chance the whole run could dip.

ETA: Another not so random thought I just had. Graded versions should start hitting the market soon. Hopefully by November there will be a glut. Maybe we can get PSA 9 base for $150 or less!

[Grave252]

When I had my purple Salas in hand it would have sold for $1k. Two weeks later they are $500 at most. Mine got a 10 at PSA, But given how fast the market nuked I may have been better off selling raw. The usual post release dip seemed to happen much quicker than usual.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Grave252

When I had my purple Salas in hand it would have sold for $1k. Two weeks later they are $500 at most. Mine got a 10 at PSA, But given how fast the market nuked I may have been better off selling raw. The usual post release dip seemed to happen much quicker than usual.

The race to the bottom mentality for breaker participants trying to recoup lost funds as quickly as possible. It will make them think twice before doing breaks at the high prices next time.

The sooner the demand for singles drop, the quicker box prices will fall. Those who are patient will be rewarded.

I mean, why get into a break and dump a purple salas auto immediately? You need cash quickly to pay off debts.

It’s a great sign in my opinion that the drop in singles prices is happening more quickly now.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Grave252

When I had my purple Salas in hand it would have sold for $1k. Two weeks later they are $500 at most. Mine got a 10 at PSA, But given how fast the market nuked I may have been better off selling raw. The usual post release dip seemed to happen much quicker than usual.

That’s awesome news


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[hermanotarjeta]

Just two weeks after release, BO is down to $309 for a box of HTA.

Did you really have to buy on day one for $409 and get in a break at that rate?

You could have saved 25% off your purchase/break price by waiting two weeks.

If you weren’t going to flip immediately on day 1, why didn’t you wait?

These are headed south of $299 soon.

Why can’t people learn this lesson?

My sympathy goes out to those who confuse “personal choice” with impulse control. No one is forcing anyone to pay $409. Not even fanatics.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

One thing I've noticed over the last 15 months or so...the color multiplier can get out of whack. You may see $150 base, but the Gold /50 will sell for $2400, implying a $300 base (numbers for illustration). That said, if the refractor /499 is down to $375 (implying a $250 base) right now, there is a good chance the whole run could dip.

ETA: Another not so random thought I just had. Graded versions should start hitting the market soon. Hopefully by November there will be a glut. Maybe we can get PSA 9 base for $150 or less!

Yea I know a true red jsut did 13k Auction so we are right around 50x for true red at $250 base which isn’t tk crazy

[Grave252]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I mean, why get into a break and dump a purple salas auto immediately? You need cash quickly to pay off debts.

Because I am not going to hold an 18 year old catcher for the Padres and I can buy back the card for 60% of today's value in 2-3 months when everyone has moved onto Bowman Draft. The time to sell big hits with Bowman is always within the first 2-3 weeks of release. For the most part, no one is a permanent hold straight out the box given the standard price cycles.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Grave252

Because I am not going to hold an 18 year old catcher for the Padres and I can buy back the card for 60% of today's value in 2-3 months when everyone has moved onto Bowman Draft. The time to sell big hits with Bowman is always within the first 2-3 weeks of release. For the most part, no one is a permanent hold straight out the box given the standard price cycles.

Would it be more economical to buy the singles you feel are underpriced?

Rather than pull, sell, then buy back later?

Unless you are really good at timing the market.

Of course, opening packs is fun, don’t get me wrong.

[fenwaykid]

Modern sports cards are a joke. End thread. Take a look at 2022 Bowman Chrome - the top guys in there largely underperformed and prices are WAY down. Current 2023 bowman prices already have 2 years of top tier performance baked into prices on day 1. Just not sustainable. Absolute race to the bottom - over time breakers will run out of new muppets to and the current model will turn upside down. Until then sit back and laugh at people lightning money on fire - and gobble up those eBay singles!

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by fenwaykid

Modern sports cards are a joke. End thread. Take a look at 2022 Bowman Chrome - the top guys in there largely underperformed and prices are WAY down. Current 2023 bowman prices already have 2 years of top tier performance baked into prices on day 1. Just not sustainable. Absolute race to the bottom - over time breakers will run out of new muppets to and the current model will turn upside down. Until then sit back and laugh at people lightning money on fire - and gobble up those eBay singles!

Careful, I was told laughing at muppets represents “everything wrong with society.”

LOL!

[RainCityShecks]

Yep I get it for sure. This stuff is spendy $$. But, I’m not trying to win the lottery, have a business predicated on flipping large quantities of boxes, or really do anything other than collect a few of the guys I like and rip a box or three for the heck of it. I do like betting on some hometown guys though and that said here is what I bought instead of a 2nd box of BC:






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[cj828282]

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[BayAreaChris]

Originally Posted by cj828282

Tweeted tonight:




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Obviously you don’t want it to happen but this is the best possible response.

[BayAreaChris]

Wow. All of the buy back prices are crazy.

https://www.topps.com/pages/bowman-chrome-buyback

[Jaypers]

Originally Posted by BayAreaChris

Wow. All of the buy back prices are crazy.

https://www.topps.com/pages/bowman-chrome-buyback

$75k for the Salas.