Ok Guys, So Who Is The MVP... for real - Page 3

johncaso · 02-25-2015, 03:27 PM

I have to give it to westbrook he has put that team on his back and carried them all year

AwesomeJuice · 02-25-2015, 03:28 PM

Harden. Westbrook is not leading his team to victories as well as harden

tristan20 · 02-25-2015, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pac213up

Factor in TS%....and I would take option 2. Defensive splits are fairly even on this season. I like the guy that creates 1.50 PPS vs 1.28. Can't go wrong with either player though.

So you would take a player that is first in scoring by only a fraction?
The other stats pretty much more than make up for that 1-2 pt difference, you do know that right? An assist alone is worth that

LOL Ok

EMD34 · 02-25-2015, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tristan20

So you would take a player that is first in scoring by only a fraction?
The other stats pretty much more than make up for that 1-2 pt difference, you do know that right? An assist alone is worth that

LOL Ok

That's not what they said at all; they're looking further than just what the statsheet says. The point difference is small, but the efficiency at which those points are scored is significantly different. Westbrook's TS%: .539 (lower than Harden's has ever been) Harden's TS% .611

IamRalpho · 02-25-2015, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

I assume you mean being hurt?

LeBron averages first part of the season before he missed extended time...

25.5 PPG, 5.2 Rebounds, 7.6 Assists

Yes I realize the Cavs were "only" 18-11 in those games.

He wasnt himself in those games, injuries or not. He was passive and didnt look like the same Lebron. Maybe it was all injuries?

Regardless, you hafta look at those games, and the teams output when factoring it in.

He'd be 4th for me right now, maybe 3rd

Harden, Curry, Westbrook/Lebron.....might gone Davis if he didnt get banged up so much

dasiegel · 02-25-2015, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tristan20

So you would take a player that is first in scoring by only a fraction?
The other stats pretty much more than make up for that 1-2 pt difference, you do know that right? An assist alone is worth that

LOL Ok

i agree with your position here but team record speaks volumes in the mvp race, if okc can come up to a 4-5 and he plays the rest of the game this season i think westbrook can have the edge. gotta give it to harden currently, not my choice but as a prediction.

asujbl · 02-25-2015, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by IamRalpho

He wasnt himself in those games, injuries or not. He was passive and didnt look like the same Lebron. Maybe it was all injuries?

Regardless, you hafta look at those games, and the teams output when factoring it in.

He'd be 4th for me right now, maybe 3rd

Harden, Curry, Westbrook/Lebron.....might gone Davis if he didnt get banged up so much

I watched every minute of all those games - and while I agree he didn't look like LeBron - I'm not sure why you can penalize him for looking passive.

He was putting up 25/5/8 with a 62% win percentage.

The fact that he is dinged for looking lazy, while putting up those numbers, shows how we take him for granted.

Now he does get a negative check mark for playing pretty crap defense those first 30 games until Mozgov got to town.

mcgahee21nfl · 02-25-2015, 04:18 PM

As it stands, it is Curry by a landslide. Westbrook isn't even in contention.

I can't remember the last time an MVP came from a team that didn't win their conference, let alone their division.

I wonder when the last time a player won the MVP that wasn't on a team that had a top 3 record in the NBA.

NBA MVP isn't about how amazing your season was, or how important you were to your team. Never has been.

You guys should look into that before voting Westbrook. Maybe the most valuable to his team. Maybe having the best season. But as history will tell you, he isn't in contention.

tristan20 · 02-25-2015, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

I watched every minute of all those games - and while I agree he didn't look like LeBron - I'm not sure why you can penalize him for looking passive.

He was putting up 25/5/8 with a 62% win percentage.

The fact that he is dinged for looking lazy, while putting up those numbers, shows how we take him for granted.

Now he does get a negative check mark for playing pretty crap defense those first 30 games until Mozgov got to town.

Lebron is Lebron's worst enemy. If his stats dip a slight bit he gets nailed to a cross, if they go up "Well that's just Lebron being Lebron". Fact is when he is on the court, its a Man among boys

Durantula · 02-25-2015, 04:23 PM

I would give it to Curry. Best player on The best team.

asujbl · 02-25-2015, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tristan20

Lebron is Lebron's worst enemy. If his stats dip a slight bit he gets nailed to a cross, if they go up "Well that's just Lebron being Lebron". Fact is when he is on the court, its a Man among boys

Agreed.

He looks like he isn't giving 100%, which in reality he probably wasn't, and he gets crushed for his 25/5/8 stat line.

He does the same, while "looking" interested, and he doesn't get credit because that's what he's supposed to be doing.

IamRalpho · 02-25-2015, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

I watched every minute of all those games - and while I agree he didn't look like LeBron - I'm not sure why you can penalize him for looking passive.

He was putting up 25/5/8 with a 62% win percentage.

The fact that he is dinged for looking lazy, while putting up those numbers, shows how we take him for granted.

Now he does get a negative check mark for playing pretty crap defense those first 30 games until Mozgov got to town.

Agreed. He gets criticized more than he should, thats what happens when you are the greatest player on the planet. Fair or not fair though.

I am just saying, you can not erase the first 2-3 months of the season for the Cavs or Lebron and because of that he isnt with Curry or Harden in the MVP talks. I agree Westbrook missed too much too, BUT if he keeps this out of his mind pace of play up.....he might be the exception.

tennelson55 · 02-25-2015, 05:40 PM

I'm laughing at this comment. Wow.

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Originally Posted by rhigh2390

No, I'm saying Lebron has very few nights where he needs to be special because of the team he's on. Pretty much every night, he can basically just show up and coast to 16-18 points, get his 6 or 7 rebounds, and get his 6-8 assists with his eyes closed because he's in the east and because his team is stacked

ninjacookies · 02-25-2015, 05:58 PM

James Harden, imo. All things considered, he's the most valuable and critical piece to his team's success at this point. Doesn't have the luxury of having a guy that can drop 40+ any given night like Kyrie or Klay to take up the slack.

CubKings · 02-25-2015, 06:27 PM

I am firmly in the front of the Westbrook train.

The dude is balling out of his mind right now and leading OKC up the standings while KD has been in and out all year. They started 9 games under .500 and are right now, 7 above.

Wings · 02-25-2015, 06:40 PM

Westbrook is simply the best player in the NBA right now. Curry will probably get MVP.

bkcardcollector · 02-25-2015, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJuice

Harden. Westbrook is not leading his team to victories as well as harden

This is how I feel

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Originally Posted by mcgahee21nfl

As it stands, it is Curry by a landslide. Westbrook isn't even in contention.

I can't remember the last time an MVP came from a team that didn't win their conference, let alone their division.

I wonder when the last time a player won the MVP that wasn't on a team that had a top 3 record in the NBA.

NBA MVP isn't about how amazing your season was, or how important you were to your team. Never has been.

You guys should look into that before voting Westbrook. Maybe the most valuable to his team. Maybe having the best season. But as history will tell you, he isn't in contention.

This is bang on. Westbrook is not even really in contention right now since his team might not even make playoffs...You gotta do much better than an 8th seed to get MVP.

My personal opinion is that Harden has put his team on his back and has the Rockets right in the thick of things with very little help. He deserves the MVP!

However, personal feeling aside, the league darling is Curry right now. Everyone loves him and it is obvious he would be the MVP right now. I don't agree but that is who would get the votes.

Nyfancam01 · 02-25-2015, 06:42 PM

Either Lebron or Westbrook for MVP

crazymj · 02-25-2015, 07:10 PM

Oh how quickly our hearts change. I guess people just swing to whoever is on a hot streak. I guess its between westbrook, harden, curry, lebron, anthony davis(if he comes back)

pennywise · 02-26-2015, 01:09 AM

It'll be Curry, Harden, or LeBron. Probably in that order of likelihood. Westbrook has been on fire lately and has consequently put my foot in my mouth as I've explained plenty of times to my friends why I'm not a fan of his. BUT, as many others have stated already, he's on a team that has not played well and that may not even make the playoffs. That hurts his case. For him to have a shot at it, he's not only going to have to play absolutely lights out for the remainder of the season but he will have to lead the Thunder to the 7 or 8 seed in the west. From here on out, he will be put under a microscope and he'll have to prove that he can take over and win games with high FG%, assists, steals, rebounds, and a low number of TOs.

TL;DR: Westbrook will have to be perfect and lead Thunder to playoffs if he wants a shot at MVP.

My money is on Curry, but I would not be surprised at all to see Harden or LeBron take it.

thepinoymamba · 02-26-2015, 01:22 AM

1. Steph Curry
2. Anthony Davis
3. James Harden
4. Lebron James
5. Marc Gasol

PokerPro503 · 02-26-2015, 02:04 AM

It seems like MVP voters like to go with a good story, and who is more likable than Curry? Is GSW hold the #1 seed I really think Curry wins it

daeve · 02-26-2015, 02:18 AM

in order of likelihood of winning MVP:
1. Curry
2. Harden
3. LeBron
4. Westbrook
5. M Gasol
6. Davis
7. Teague
8. Wall
9. Duncan
10. LMA

Hegotgame15 · 02-26-2015, 02:24 AM

In order as they stand now, Westbrook is the player that COULD take it if he continues what he's doing.

Harden
Curry
Westbrook (If he continues he's getting it)
LeBron

Wolves4Life · 02-26-2015, 02:41 AM

People have Westbrook way too high right now. If Thinder finish in top half of seedlings ok maybe him. If they finish 6th or lower that's not an MVP.

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CubKings Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Earth Posts: 6,518	I am firmly in the front of the Westbrook train. The dude is balling out of his mind right now and leading OKC up the standings while KD has been in and out all year. They started 9 games under .500 and are right now, 7 above. __________________ NBA: Marbury, Jordan, Kobe, Westbrook, KD, AI, Jazz MLB: Chicago Cubs, Stanton, Aramis Ramirez, Sosa NFL: Minnesota Vikings, Randy Moss, Adrian Peterson https://sportscardalbum.com/u/cublife

02-26-2015, 01:09 AM	#70
pennywise Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Austin Posts: 2,965	It'll be Curry, Harden, or LeBron. Probably in that order of likelihood. Westbrook has been on fire lately and has consequently put my foot in my mouth as I've explained plenty of times to my friends why I'm not a fan of his. BUT, as many others have stated already, he's on a team that has not played well and that may not even make the playoffs. That hurts his case. For him to have a shot at it, he's not only going to have to play absolutely lights out for the remainder of the season but he will have to lead the Thunder to the 7 or 8 seed in the west. From here on out, he will be put under a microscope and he'll have to prove that he can take over and win games with high FG%, assists, steals, rebounds, and a low number of TOs. TL;DR: Westbrook will have to be perfect and lead Thunder to playoffs if he wants a shot at MVP. My money is on Curry, but I would not be surprised at all to see Harden or LeBron take it. __________________ Penny Hardaway \| 90s stars \| San Antonio Spurs Instagram: pennyatthepoint "Why you no work. I work - You will work too!!!" - Michael Jordan

02-26-2015, 01:22 AM	#71
thepinoymamba Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,111	1. Steph Curry 2. Anthony Davis 3. James Harden 4. Lebron James 5. Marc Gasol __________________ Kobe Anthology SET

02-26-2015, 02:04 AM	#72
PokerPro503 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 522	It seems like MVP voters like to go with a good story, and who is more likable than Curry? Is GSW hold the #1 seed I really think Curry wins it __________________ http://s954.photobucket.com/albums/ae30/thetruth503/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ24

02-25-2015, 03:27 PM	#51
johncaso Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Hartsdale NY Posts: 1,490 johncaso	I have to give it to westbrook he has put that team on his back and carried them all year

02-25-2015, 04:18 PM	#58
mcgahee21nfl Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,555	As it stands, it is Curry by a landslide. Westbrook isn't even in contention. I can't remember the last time an MVP came from a team that didn't win their conference, let alone their division. I wonder when the last time a player won the MVP that wasn't on a team that had a top 3 record in the NBA. NBA MVP isn't about how amazing your season was, or how important you were to your team. Never has been. You guys should look into that before voting Westbrook. Maybe the most valuable to his team. Maybe having the best season. But as history will tell you, he isn't in contention.

02-25-2015, 04:23 PM	#60
Durantula Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,671	I would give it to Curry. Best player on The best team.

02-25-2015, 05:58 PM	#64
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 57,036	James Harden, imo. All things considered, he's the most valuable and critical piece to his team's success at this point. Doesn't have the luxury of having a guy that can drop 40+ any given night like Kyrie or Klay to take up the slack.

02-25-2015, 06:40 PM	#66
Wings Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Omaha Posts: 5,396	Westbrook is simply the best player in the NBA right now. Curry will probably get MVP.

02-25-2015, 06:42 PM	#68
Nyfancam01 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,890 Nyfancam01 Nyfancam01	Either Lebron or Westbrook for MVP

02-25-2015, 07:10 PM	#69
crazymj Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 14,011	Oh how quickly our hearts change. I guess people just swing to whoever is on a hot streak. I guess its between westbrook, harden, curry, lebron, anthony davis(if he comes back)

02-26-2015, 02:18 AM	#73
daeve Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: savannah GA Posts: 13,149 accrules	in order of likelihood of winning MVP: 1. Curry 2. Harden 3. LeBron 4. Westbrook 5. M Gasol 6. Davis 7. Teague 8. Wall 9. Duncan 10. LMA

02-26-2015, 02:24 AM	#74
Hegotgame15 Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Australia. Posts: 1,764	In order as they stand now, Westbrook is the player that COULD take it if he continues what he's doing. Harden Curry Westbrook (If he continues he's getting it) LeBron

02-26-2015, 02:41 AM	#75
Wolves4Life Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 12,458	People have Westbrook way too high right now. If Thinder finish in top half of seedlings ok maybe him. If they finish 6th or lower that's not an MVP.