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[broncomanning18]

Good call ediii33, too bad he is dead wrong about this Notre dame played a bunch of big 10 schools, a good oklahoma team and a bad usc team without their starting qb, I dont think teo played that good of a schedule and he still couldnt rack up good numbers, and notre dame peeps try to spin it as him not being asked to sack the qb, or have any tackles for loss. So trent dilfer was a great qb, they just didnt ask him to throw it down field. Sorry Trent Dilfer, had to throw you under the bus

[GatorBoyInTN]

I think the whole SEC should be sanctioned. Surely with all these titles, Heisman winners, etc, something has to be going on illegally.

[tajikey]

I guess I can bump this up for posterity.

Originally Posted by ediii33

Against Florida he was 23-30 with no picks in his first game as a college qb. I can't believe they ignored such a terrible performance. I'll give you the bad performance against LSU.

Oh, you mean 173 yards passing, 60 yards rushing, and a 20-17 loss to Florida. That's pretty bad, by Manziel/Heisman standards, if you ask me. Oh yeah, they lost that game too. Wait, I said that already, dangn't.

Originally Posted by broncomanning18

Manziels performance against florida wasnt even horrible, you mean like teo having 5 tackles against wake forest, plus if you had actually watched the lsu game at all you would no 2 of the 3 interceptions came b/c of a dropped pass that hit evans in the chest and a miscommunication on a deep ball where the receiver cut it short dez bryant style. I love all people try to act like Manziel had bad games, but if Teo has 4 tackles that is somehow a great game because his team defense did great. Alot of stat skeweres out there if you even thought Teo should have been in the top 5 for heisman

See above. Te'o should have won for the same reason Tebow won, cause he was the best player on the field at any given point.

He led the nation's best defense to the nation's best record from a position of not even being ranked when the season started. Manziel benefits from playing in a conference heavily favored by any and all media pundits. I'll go out on a limb and say that if A&M hadn't moved to the SEC, Manziel would NOT have won the Heisman, even with the same stats.

Originally Posted by ediii33

Tajikey hates the SEC and everything about it. He'll make another one sided post and somehow try to flip it. He's never wrong about anything.

Did I ever admit that I was right about EVERYTHING? Talk about one sided. Glad to see I wasn't wrong about you being an idiot.

Originally Posted by broncomanning18

Good call ediii33, too bad he is dead wrong about this Notre dame played a bunch of big 10 schools, a good oklahoma team and a bad usc team without their starting qb, I dont think teo played that good of a schedule and he still couldnt rack up good numbers, and notre dame peeps try to spin it as him not being asked to sack the qb, or have any tackles for loss. So trent dilfer was a great qb, they just didnt ask him to throw it down field. Sorry Trent Dilfer, had to throw you under the bus

Dead wrong about Manziel not deserving of the Heisman? Sure, if he puts up similar numbers next year, I'll admit I was dead wrong, and the kid will actually deserve what he earned. But until then, he had one good season. And talking about Notre Dame's schedule makes me laugh, cause if you use this wonderful gift called hindsight, you'll notice that, absent the top three schools in the SEC, the rest of the conference was NOT good, at all. So what does that say for Alabama playing Western Carolina, or A&M playing Sam Houston State, in the second to last week of the season?

A&M's three quality opponents were Florida, LSU, and Alabama, and they lost 2 out of 3.

Barkley was overrated, too, as you can tell from his fall from Heisman grace, even before his injury. Plus, his three games leading up to the ND matchup were his worst of the season. Performance anxiety, maybe. As far as I'm concerned, ND faced USC's best QB when they beat them at home.

And Te'o had 7 takeaways, second in all of CFB, 5 interceptions and 2 fumble recoveries. You're going to try and tell me that's less important than a tackle for loss or sack? If you ask me, I'd take a guy with 7 takeaways over 15 sacks any day of the week.

Originally Posted by GatorBoyInTN

I think the whole SEC should be sanctioned. Surely with all these titles, Heisman winners, etc, something has to be going on illegally.

Doesn't sound like a bad idea. It may actually "force" these "student" athletes to get an education.

Do yourselves a favor and compare Denard Robinson's 2010 and 2011 seasons to Manziel's season this year, and make the argument as to why he didn't deserve the Heisman, but Manziel did.

[GatorBoyInTN]

Originally Posted by tajikey

I guess I can bump this up for posterity.



Oh, you mean 173 yards passing, 60 yards rushing, and a 20-17 loss to Florida. That's pretty bad, by Manziel/Heisman standards, if you ask me. Oh yeah, they lost that game too. Wait, I said that already, dangn't.



See above. Te'o should have won for the same reason Tebow won, cause he was the best player on the field at any given point.

He led the nation's best defense to the nation's best record from a position of not even being ranked when the season started. Manziel benefits from playing in a conference heavily favored by any and all media pundits. I'll go out on a limb and say that if A&M hadn't moved to the SEC, Manziel would NOT have won the Heisman, even with the same stats.



Did I ever admit that I was right about EVERYTHING? Talk about one sided. Glad to see I wasn't wrong about you being an idiot.



Dead wrong about Manziel not deserving of the Heisman? Sure, if he puts up similar numbers next year, I'll admit I was dead wrong, and the kid will actually deserve what he earned. But until then, he had one good season. And talking about Notre Dame's schedule makes me laugh, cause if you use this wonderful gift called hindsight, you'll notice that, absent the top three schools in the SEC, the rest of the conference was NOT good, at all. So what does that say for Alabama playing Western Carolina, or A&M playing Sam Houston State, in the second to last week of the season?

A&M's three quality opponents were Florida, LSU, and Alabama, and they lost 2 out of 3.

Barkley was overrated, too, as you can tell from his fall from Heisman grace, even before his injury. Plus, his three games leading up to the ND matchup were his worst of the season. Performance anxiety, maybe. As far as I'm concerned, ND faced USC's best QB when they beat them at home.

And Te'o had 7 takeaways, second in all of CFB, 5 interceptions and 2 fumble recoveries. You're going to try and tell me that's less important than a tackle for loss or sack? If you ask me, I'd take a guy with 7 takeaways over 15 sacks any day of the week.



Doesn't sound like a bad idea. It may actually "force" these "student" athletes to get an education.

Do yourselves a favor and compare Denard Robinson's 2010 and 2011 seasons to Manziel's season this year, and make the argument as to why he didn't deserve the Heisman, but Manziel did.

We will start by putting Bama up there with Ohio State and Michigan. Shipping LSU and Florida out to join forces with Oregon and USC. Take Georgia and A&M and putting them in the ACC with FSU. Then we can have a title game with former SEC schools in it, instead of all an SEC title game.

[tajikey]

Originally Posted by GatorBoyInTN

We will start by putting Bama up there with Ohio State and Michigan. Shipping LSU and Florida out to join forces with Oregon and USC. Take Georgia and A&M and putting them in the ACC with FSU. Then we can have a title game with former SEC schools in it, instead of all an SEC title game.

Well, in order for Bama to be in the Big Ten, they'll have to place an emphasis on education, something they know very little about. You can put them with the Big 12, though, that makes sense.

[GatorBoyInTN]

Originally Posted by tajikey

Well, in order for Bama to be in the Big Ten, they'll have to place an emphasis on education, something they know very little about. You can put them with the Big 12, though, that makes sense.

Just don't want them up there with your Buckeyes huh? Understandable lol. If you go to Alabama, you can play on playing on Sundays, worry about an education later in life! J/K. I have always had an issue with college athletes and academics. You get these WRs, RBs, DBs, that know they will be playing pro one day so they major in TurfGrass management. They have nothing to fall back on once that ACL rips and they aren't the same player. I do think there should be more emphasis on education in all colleges, not just the SEC.

[vike]

Tajikey--the sec chooses to play the cupcake school at the end of year, where most the other teams play them week 1 or week 2. I would say its smart on there part.

[GatorBoyInTN]

Originally Posted by vike

Tajikey--the sec chooses to play the cupcake school at the end of year, where most the other teams play them week 1 or week 2. I would say its smart on there part.

Florida ends with FSU, Bama with Auburn, and SC with Clemson. Wouldn't call them cupcakes.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by tajikey

Well, in order for Bama to be in the Big Ten, they'll have to place an emphasis on education, something they know very little about. You can put them with the Big 12, though, that makes sense.

Matthew ... have you looked at Alabama's GSR for football players lately? Turns out, theirs was higher in 2011-2012 (75%) than Ohio State's (74%).

[vike]

Originally Posted by GatorBoyInTN

Florida ends with FSU, Bama with Auburn, and SC with Clemson. Wouldn't call them cupcakes.

I'm talking about second to last week. When sc played wafford, uga played Georgia southern, Alabama played western Carolina.

I'm just a sec homer since I'm a Georgia fan I guess!

[fullmetal]

Originally Posted by MI Rob

That's pretty low considering they were supposed to be the best player in college football at one time.

The Heisman has never been 'who will be the best professional from the NCAA ranks.' College and NFL football are not even the same sport. Players are not recruited to do the same job.

[fullmetal]

Originally Posted by GatorBoyInTN

I think the whole SEC should be sanctioned. Surely with all these titles, Heisman winners, etc, something has to be going on illegally.

Something 'goes on' in all athletic departments. The goal is to keep everyone happy so nobody squeals.

Originally Posted by GatorBoyInTN

Florida ends with FSU, Bama with Auburn, and SC with Clemson. Wouldn't call them cupcakes.

Flag on the play. FSU is a total cupcake.

[broncomanning18]

tajikey your arguments about Teo are laughable and I could type for hours giving you all the reasons why Teo had no business being in the Heisman hunt , but I dont feel like wasting my life so I will make it short. First of all you talk about media bias with manziel in the SEC, that is funny coming from Teo since he plays for Notre dame, the media child of the world that hasnt been relevant for 25 years so it is even more inflated this year. You say dennard Robinsons numbers are similar to Manziel, well then what about Dat Nguyen or the Honey Badger, or Ndamukong Suh, the list goes on and on, there numbers were better than Teo and they didnt even get close to winning it. If Teo gets all the credit for his TEAM Defense then Manziel should get all the credit for his TEAM Offense, one of the best in the country and Manziel at the Quarterback has more to do with the Offense than a Linebacker does on Defense. That is just the nature of the game. And lastly, why does it matter if he puts up good numbers next year, it is an individual yearly award, meaning only this year matters. It is NOT a Career award or Montee Ball and Teo would have been fighting it out. To say he had one good season and doesnt deserve the award is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard

[ediii33]

Originally Posted by tajikey

Well, in order for Bama to be in the Big Ten, they'll have to place an emphasis on education, something they know very little about. You can put them with the Big 12, though, that makes sense.

Katzenmoyer fails An AIDS awareness class, Troy Smith tries taking the Heisman trophy on a plane, and Maurice Clarrett was REALLY REALLY close to being an honor student.

I am really beginning to wonder how one individual can continue to be such a dumb ass.

[ediii33]

Just wondering what Tajikey could come up with now?

[ediii33]

Originally Posted by tman109ner

What about Teo? He honestly should have won. All due respect to Johnny Football but Teo was absolutely unstoppable this year.

Looks like Te'o was stopped.

[pierrethomasfan]

Originally Posted by ediii33

Looks like Te'o was stopped.

I miss Gator