Has your PSA 10 Gem rate for modern bulk submissions changed dramatically this year?

[The_Reverend]

I have one submission in assembly and the other went into grading. Both are TCG Pokémon. They are modern and ultra modern. I have no clue what to expect with PSA anymore and that is concerning.

[FT35]

Originally Posted by jimz

YTD My gem rate is 42%, although I've only gotten 126 graded this year so far so the sample size is small. But 9s and 10s make up 80% of the grades I'm getting back so I have no idea what the hell is happening. All sports, btw.

What era? That’s low for ultra modern but a little higher for modern.

[anusinha]

LOL, group sub with mainly new pokemon just pooped, 61 cards 5 10s.

[waytoomanycards]

Originally Posted by anusinha

LOL, group sub with mainly new pokemon just pooped, 61 cards 5 10s.

That's brutal. Did you check how the surrounding certs made out? My guess would be that the japanese cards gemmed and everything with nuance was torched.

Reminds me of columns Joe Orlando wrote about how tough it was to find qualified graders, and that was when they were grading a few hundred thousands cards per month. I don't think they've increased the pay much since then either.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by waytoomanycards

That's brutal. Did you check how the surrounding certs made out? My guess would be that the japanese cards gemmed and everything with nuance was torched.

Reminds me of columns Joe Orlando wrote about how tough it was to find qualified graders, and that was when they were grading a few hundred thousands cards per month. I don't think they've increased the pay much since then either.

hmmm.... dont have the slab numbers yet but good idea, ill check when I do. No japanese in this sub, mainly 2023-2024 stuff with a few older ones tossed in.


The ad they have out says they start at $17/hr in Orange County CA, where I think In-n-out pays $20/hr. Soooo...... yeah, that's who's grading your cards.

[waytoomanycards]

Originally Posted by anusinha

hmmm.... dont have the slab numbers yet but good idea, ill check when I do. No japanese in this sub, mainly 2023-2024 stuff with a few older ones tossed in.


The ad they have out says they start at $17/hr in Orange County CA, where I think In-n-out pays $20/hr. Soooo...... yeah, that's who's grading your cards.

Oh, I meant that the cards around yours may have been japanese, making the order totals look reasonable to anyone who might review them since those usually gem.

At most, that hourly rate is maybe $2 more per hour than it was several years ago. Now think about how many cards they grade an hour and how much more we're paying per card.

[NEOSportscards]

Here is a video I did with Custom data from Gemrate.com showing Gemrate %'s over time.

https://youtu.be/FxHCJ8GUl1w

[bombasticg]

5/27 on ultra modern baseball. Seems like every paper card got an 8. Fricken looked like 10s under microscope. It seems like they don’t even look at cards.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by anusinha

LOL, group sub with mainly new pokemon just pooped, 61 cards 5 10s.

I am very afraid of this happening more frequently from PSA. Another way to decrease submissions of Pokemon is to screw people with grades. I know most of us knew how to look at cards and the percentages are becoming atrocious. As many problems as CGC and BGS have had, inconsistent grading WILL move more cards to them.

[newfiesig]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

I am very afraid of this happening more frequently from PSA. Another way to decrease submissions of Pokemon is to screw people with grades. I know most of us knew how to look at cards and the percentages are becoming atrocious. As many problems as CGC and BGS have had, inconsistent grading WILL move more cards to them.

In my experience, PSA already has the most inconsistent grading. Seen too many 5s resubmitted for 9s and have 10s that should be 8s, at best.

Crazy how people put so much stock into what some random person (have you seen the requirements to work there?!) sitting in a dark room has to say about your cards. It wouldn't be AS bad if PSA didn't receive a multiplier based on the label.

Found a PSA 10 of a card that I own in a 9 (I'd argue my 9 is overgraded). Looked at the 10 and noticed it's in worse shape than my 9 (corners and edges). Guy shrugged it off and said "meh, it's a 10".

Prob is, we all know that to maximize profit you need the PSA holder, and no one is willing to take the first step (understandably) to go to another company to take the power away from PSA.

[halldogg]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

I have no clue what to expect with PSA anymore and that is concerning.

The problem with the current collector mindset is everyone "Expects" PSA 10's on everything. There are a lot of times where things get 10's and don't truly deserve it. Not everything is a 10. I do agree that there are inconsistencies in Grading. Right now I am about to submit one that was a CSG 8.5, then I sent to SGC where it got an SGC 4 grade, and going to submit to PSA to see what they say.. Its an interesting experiment for sure.

[yoyosh]

Originally Posted by yoyosh

I like to keep up w/the pop report of rookie QBs Silver Prizms.
Considering the prices of PSA 9s lately, we might just want to save our grading $ and sell raw!

2024
Jayden 12% gems
Nix 29%
Caleb 19%
Penix 21%

2023
Stroud 39%
Bryce Young 48%
Anthony Richardson 32%

2022
Kenny Pickett ZERO gems!!
Malik Willis 59%
Desmond Ridder 53%

Got these back yest

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by halldogg

The problem with the current collector mindset is everyone "Expects" PSA 10's on everything. There are a lot of times where things get 10's and don't truly deserve it. Not everything is a 10. I do agree that there are inconsistencies in Grading. Right now I am about to submit one that was a CSG 8.5, then I sent to SGC where it got an SGC 4 grade, and going to submit to PSA to see what they say.. Its an interesting experiment for sure.

Very interesting experiment. I never expect all 10’s and at time will put multiples in a submission that a couple are less than perfect to show the difference. Because I am mostly grading POKEMON, a 9 is not bad, but for modern/ultra modern getting 7’s and 8’s is a head scratcher. Vintage is a different animal.

[MyckKabongo]

Got hosed badly on my last two ultra modern sun after years of steady ~70% gem rates with occasional outliers above and below. If I hit 3 in a row I'll have to seriously consider whether the grading game is worth it any longer.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Got hosed badly on my last two ultra modern sun after years of steady ~70% gem rates with occasional outliers above and below. If I hit 3 in a row I'll have to seriously consider whether the grading game is worth it any longer.

I have 2 in the final stages. It will be interesting what they get.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by FT35

What era? That’s low for ultra modern but a little higher for modern.

Modern/ultra

[here2havefun]

Not related to grading, but the rate at which PSA is mislabeling US issue vintage cards as Venezuelan issue, is going up. I've been collecting and grading Topps Venezuelan cards since 2019.

Thankfully I can email errors that appear on Ebay to my rep and they fix the pop report on the backend, but it's still floating around in the wild in a wrong flip.

And some of these are not small errors. This Mantle is a US issue Topps card, comps around $400. The Venezuelan Topps version in a PSA 3 is worth 10x.

https://www.psacard.com/cert/105498114/psa

[inaka]

Originally Posted by here2havefun

Not related to grading, but the rate at which PSA is mislabeling US issue vintage cards as Venezuelan issue, is going up. I've been collecting and grading Topps Venezuelan cards since 2019.

Thankfully I can email errors that appear on Ebay to my rep and they fix the pop report on the backend, but it's still floating around in the wild in a wrong flip.

And some of these are not small errors. This Mantle is a US issue Topps card, comps around $400. The Venezuelan Topps version in a PSA 3 is worth 10x.

https://www.psacard.com/cert/105498114/psa

Good lookin' out.

The worst part is that if someone buys that card for $10k, the PSA guarantee doesn't apply, as PSA will claim "Mechanical Error" and say that they can fix the problem by sending the card back in for the correct flip. Buyer is out $9600 but at least they'll get a "sorry for the inconvenience" email from PSA so that should make things right.

[PLB9eight]

Originally Posted by inaka

Good lookin' out.

The worst part is that if someone buys that card for $10k, the PSA guarantee doesn't apply, as PSA will claim "Mechanical Error" and say that they can fix the problem by sending the card back in for the correct flip. Buyer is out $9600 but at least they'll get a "sorry for the inconvenience" email from PSA so that should make things right.

If only the right person was on here.


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[waytoomanycards]

This doesn't directly fit the thread topic, but it's pretty funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMV0ki2GZwU

[seanbros55]

Originally Posted by waytoomanycards

This doesn't directly fit the thread topic, but it's pretty funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMV0ki2GZwU

Crazy. Eighty-one 9’s came back as 10’s (out of 200)

[FT35]

Originally Posted by seanbros55

Crazy. Eighty-one 9’s came back as 10’s (out of 200)

There’s the missing 40% gem rate drop we’ve all seen AND some of the backlog problem! They are all there—you just have to resubmit and pay thousands extra just for them to put the right grade on the slab instead of having them accurately assess them as the 10’s that they are the first time. This guy had to pay close to $4,000 extra to get his cards in correct slabs.

This is complete BS.

[inaka]

Originally Posted by waytoomanycards

This doesn't directly fit the thread topic, but it's pretty funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMV0ki2GZwU

That video was wild. Thanks for sharing.

[ddearing]

I have long contemplated doing this and posting the data and what has held me back is the fear of retribution from PSA on future subs. May be time for a burner account....

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by FT35

There’s the missing 40% gem rate drop we’ve all seen AND some of the backlog problem! They are all there—you just have to resubmit and pay thousands extra just for them to put the right grade on the slab instead of having them accurately assess them as the 10’s that they are the first time. This guy had to pay close to $4,000 extra to get his cards in correct slabs.

This is complete BS.

And you can probably take 40 of the 9's and get back another 15 10's on a 3rd try. I have said before, with PSA not having a 9.5 plus the difference in graders plus factor in how quickly these get pushed through the system. Add that up, it is a bunch of coin flips between a 9 and 10 on millions of cards. It is up to you on how many times you want to flip to see if it comes out on top.

I still to this day don't get the big price differential between a 9 and 10. There are a bunch of deserved 9's for sure. There are just as many 9s and 10s that look exactly the same. Even more when you consider the centering change now on 10's.