Why don't baseball card collectors care about WS Rings?

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by towerymt

714??

#embarrassed

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by no10pin

Tom Brady touches the ball on every play in the 4th quarter
Michael Jordan can shoot the ball on every play in the 4th quarter.

You can only bat in baseball when it's your turn.

Rings can help prices for a player, but not having one won't hurt them usually.

That’s right!

Sincerely,

Dan Marino

[ThoseBackPages]

#ThanksTopps

[Stifle]

Let’s be honest, What Pinnacle player has never reached a Championship game/series, let alone never advancing in a series or winning a SINGLE game in the Post Season in any sport especially the modern era? The only player who isn’t in that upper echelon but a 2 x MVP who didn’t have the ability to do free agency was Ernie Banks. In order to be relevant in the long run, a player can’t be INVISIBLE in the Post Season. There isn’t any player who ended their career with a Nothing Burger of a Playoff / Championship resume.

I look at Mike Trout and there is no way I put him ahead of Albert or Miggy and that is for the Y2K era. Third greatest this era and that maybe in jeopardy due to durability. Trout came in at the perfect era of the hobby, Parallels, Auto’s, Game Used. His rare cards will remain strong but his base rookies are already hurting.

Dale Murphy if you research him before the internet/rookie production era was the cover boy of the Beckett hobby. A considerably different era but he was the Trout of his time. Injuries Devastated his career and they were beginning as a teenager. Everybody wanted his card but as the seasons change, so do the new hot rookies. The hobby will change and people will wonder who these early Y2K players were.

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Basketball and football vestors have tiktok brainz

Plenty of baseball people spending disgusting money on Bowman Chrome Single A prospects

[no10pin]

Ted Williams never won a playoff series and had a .533 OPS in 7 games, but back in that day, winning a playoff series meant winning a World Series.

I think the way baseball players are viewed without postseason success will change over time as they add more and more playoff teams. It's no longer going to be considered bad luck if there are 16 playoff teams.

[cardsin47]

It’s a team sport as others have said - no 1 player can cause a WS appearance much less victory

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Stifle

Let’s be honest, What Pinnacle player has never reached a Championship game/series, let alone never advancing in a series or winning a SINGLE game in the Post Season in any sport especially the modern era? The only player who isn’t in that upper echelon but a 2 x MVP who didn’t have the ability to do free agency was Ernie Banks. In order to be relevant in the long run, a player can’t be INVISIBLE in the Post Season. There isn’t any player who ended their career with a Nothing Burger of a Playoff / Championship resume.

I look at Mike Trout and there is no way I put him ahead of Albert or Miggy and that is for the Y2K era. Third greatest this era and that maybe in jeopardy due to durability. Trout came in at the perfect era of the hobby, Parallels, Auto’s, Game Used. His rare cards will remain strong but his base rookies are already hurting.

Dale Murphy if you research him before the internet/rookie production era was the cover boy of the Beckett hobby. A considerably different era but he was the Trout of his time. Injuries Devastated his career and they were beginning as a teenager. Everybody wanted his card but as the seasons change, so do the new hot rookies. The hobby will change and people will wonder who these early Y2K players were.

not sure ive ever met anyone here that hates Trout more than you do! HAHA

is it because you couldnt afford his cards when they were cheap?

remember, this part of the boards is about the hobby more than anything else. if you want to stick to talking about the sport, the section called HOBBY isnt it

so keep harping on what he did or did not do on the field, as it seems the HOBBY has no issues with Mike Trout

[tkraft24]

It's more about HOF and HOF projections for baseball. Individual baseball players have less of an impact on any given game on average whereas a star basketball player is 1 of 5 on the court with an opportunity to do something every possession. Football is similar where play-makers can take over a game. 1 great player on a baseball team will not translate to a successful team like other sports.

[ObanMontecristo]

not to mention that there’s a way to get around truly elite baseball players in mediocre playoff lineups. The intentional/unintentional walk is designed to neutralize those guys, and there’s nothing the elite player can do unless others in the lineup make them pay for it.

[spuds1961]

[QUOTE=ObanMontecristo;19668330]not to mention that there’s a way to get around truly elite baseball players in mediocre playoff lineups. The intentional/unintentional walk is designed to neutralize those guys, and there’s nothing the elite player can do unless others in the lineup make them pay for it.[/QUOTE


He’s talking about you Austin Wells.

[BigL7370]

If Ohtani or Judge win a ring this year, on a national scale, there will be more meaning attached to the sum of their careers compared to a couple of other guys who have fulfilled their big league potential as superstars, but have not gotten to a point where they have gotten back to the postseason or played in the postseason where they have won a championship with their teams.

[Remmons22]

I could be wrong (its fair to critique me on this) but my feeling is championships help drive HOF voting a bit more in football than baseball (I don't follow basketball for the most part).

I PC key members of my favorite teams but I place more value on potential HOF'ers/current HOF'ers if I can afford it. I'm sure most collectors similar to me do as well.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Stifle

Let’s be honest, What Pinnacle player has never reached a Championship game/series, let alone never advancing in a series or winning a SINGLE game in the Post Season in any sport especially the modern era? The only player who isn’t in that upper echelon but a 2 x MVP who didn’t have the ability to do free agency was Ernie Banks. In order to be relevant in the long run, a player can’t be INVISIBLE in the Post Season. There isn’t any player who ended their career with a Nothing Burger of a Playoff / Championship resume.



I look at Mike Trout and there is no way I put him ahead of Albert or Miggy and that is for the Y2K era. Third greatest this era and that maybe in jeopardy due to durability. Trout came in at the perfect era of the hobby, Parallels, Auto’s, Game Used. His rare cards will remain strong but his base rookies are already hurting.



Dale Murphy if you research him before the internet/rookie production era was the cover boy of the Beckett hobby. A considerably different era but he was the Trout of his time. Injuries Devastated his career and they were beginning as a teenager. Everybody wanted his card but as the seasons change, so do the new hot rookies. The hobby will change and people will wonder who these early Y2K players were.

That's because most stars reach free agency and get snatched up by big spending teams. The competitive imbalance of the league means most stars, if they want to get paid, end up on winning franchises. Trout chose to remain loyal to a crappy team (probably lied to and told they'd put a winning team on the field around him), so likely won't get the luxury of playing on a good team. None of that changes the fact that baseball is a team game where a single player can account for 6 or 7 wins a season. Your obsession with denigrating Trout has blinded you to the entire sport of baseball.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by Stifle

I look at Mike Trout and there is no way I put him ahead of Albert or Miggy.

Do you despise Trout? Sounds like it. He is one of the greatest of all time when you look at the decade of 2010-2020.

[Stech36]

They do matter.

As a Cardinals fan, Yadi is massively more popular because of the rings. I’m not sure he is a lock for the hall of fame without his World Series wins.

David Freese still sells very well for a player of his caliber and his insane postseason run drives that.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Giroux

Plenty of baseball people spending disgusting money on Bowman Chrome Single A prospects

That's true

Trout brought in the bkball bois for the cash

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Stech36

They do matter.

As a Cardinals fan, Yadi is massively more popular because of the rings. I’m not sure he is a lock for the hall of fame without his World Series wins.

David Freese still sells very well for a player of his caliber and his insane postseason run drives that.

where though? in St Louis maybe.

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

where though? in St Louis maybe.

$122 for a base psa 10 rookie auto for a player his regular season stats is selling very well in my book.
If he didn’t have that postseason run that would be a $40 card max. Definitely not suggesting he sells extremely well compared to hall of famers or today’s big rookies.



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[Cracktoast]

I agree in Baseball WS Rings don't hold a ton of weight as said Championships are won by teams. For instance you don't say Jeter won 5 WS Titles the Yankess won 5 WS Titles while he played on the team. For baseball it's about individual accomplishments for me to whether someone was great and/or hof worthy like MVP's, Batting Titles, etc... AS appearances up until the 90's meant more than they do today because of the popularity contest it's turned into. Worst thing they ever did was allow fans to vote it should have stayed with the players and writers.

[ThoseBackPages]

fair enough. still a scrub though

[JWBlue]

Baseball is more of a team than individual sport.

A lot more players on a team determine a championship unlike basketball and football.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Baseball is more of a team than individual sport.

A lot more players on a team determine a championship unlike basketball and football.

Football rosters are much larger than baseball ones. Football an individual sport. Players on offense have no effect on defense.

At least in basketball you need to play on both sides.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Baseball is the ultimate team sport. A beautiful melody of individual performances woven into a single symphony. No single performance can produce the anthem alone. There is nothing else like it.

Originally Posted by hammertime

The way the game is structured it's much harder for one player to have a singular impact on the outcome the way they can in other sports.

Absolutely 100% agree!

On the other side of the coin, the players that have helped their teams win championships get collected HARD. World Series team members in PSA 10 are up there! Tigers, Cardinals, Dodgers, etc.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Of course rings matter, but perception of rings is somewhat skewed since one team has won so many of them.

Rings put any player from any sport in a higher tier if they’ve a ring.