Magic the Gathering and Marvel Collaboration

[Malsk]

Originally Posted by ohio_mba

The Infinity Stone cards look pretty cool. Speculation is pretty heavy there will be serialized versions of them.

Spiderman collector presales are already pretty crazy. If they serialize these box prices will go even higher.

[ohio_mba]

Originally Posted by Malsk

Spiderman collector presales are already pretty crazy. If they serialize these box prices will go even higher.

The presells are fake in my opinion. I tried preselling a Collector's box well below $1k and not one person inquired about it. Granted I didn't use eBay or TCGPlayer, but still I got no interest.

[Brobocop]

I was willing to splurge and spend up to $500 on a CBB. If they’re going for much higher than that, guess my money is safe.

[ohio_mba]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I was willing to splurge and spend up to $500 on a CBB. If they’re going for much higher than that, guess my money is safe.

Your money is safe. I think the absolute rock-bottom you'll find is a $600 one. If serialized gets announced soon then even that will be out of the question.

[Kobefan]

I would pass on CB as well and stick with drafting and opening a few play boxes, when they get cheaper. I'm too old school to spend that much on new cards when many of the older reserve list payable cards can be had for much less.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

I would pass on CB as well and stick with drafting and opening a few play boxes, when they get cheaper. I'm too old school to spend that much on new cards when many of the older reserve list payable cards can be had for much less.

Only way I do is if I sell the contents of my EoE CBB that I just crushed. Felt like I used up a ton of luck on that. Hate to let any of it go since damn, I really love the art in the set.

[tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Only way I do is if I sell the contents of my EoE CBB that I just crushed. Felt like I used up a ton of luck on that. Hate to let any of it go since damn, I really love the art in the set.

What did you pull from EoE, if you don't mind me asking? I opened one CBB and crushed it as well with a poster borderless galaxy foil Gemstone Caverns, probably a top 3 hit from the set.

This was the set for the real Magic fans lol, tucked in between FF and Spiderman. Prob my fav set of the year alongside Tarkir.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by tomahawk

What did you pull from EoE, if you don't mind me asking? I opened one CBB and crushed it as well with a poster borderless galaxy foil Gemstone Caverns, probably a top 3 hit from the set.

This was the set for the real Magic fans lol, tucked in between FF and Spiderman. Prob my fav set of the year alongside Tarkir.

The Power Depot, Stomping Ground, Mana Confluence, Grove of the Burnwillows, and Thespian’s Stage are all galaxy foils. Tannuk, Sothera, Watery Grave, Darkness and Sliver Overlord are all foil treatments. Then I got a decent amount of $5-$10 rares and lands. Love this set.

Edit: I wake up today to see the cheapest Mana Confluence on TCG Player is $450. Now I'm wondering if it's time to sell or the card has a bit more upward room to breathe?

[dunquixote1]

I opened 6 CBB of EoE. I’ve become addicted to Magic since the FF set. I’ve been playing Arena probably an unhealthy amount. Haha. I still struggle a bit transferring what I’m doing in Arena to ‘real life’ but I’m learning. I don’t get any monster cards from my CBBs but I having fun organizing and attempting to make decks.

I have 24 CBBs on order of the Marvel set from my distributor in Japan. My FF order had been cut from 24 down to 7 so hopefully I don’t get crushed quite as bad on this set.

[tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Edit: I wake up today to see the cheapest Mana Confluence on TCG Player is $450. Now I'm wondering if it's time to sell or the card has a bit more upward room to breathe?

That is an awesome card! My personal opinion is that the poster galaxy foils of the big 3 stellar sight lands (Ancient Tomb, Gemstone Caverns, Mana Confluence) are probably peaking right now price-wise, but I also don't expect them to drastically reduce in market value because they are all competitive staples, and cEDH players tend to like blinging out their decks with the highest end variants. They should maintain a pretty healthy desirability going forward.

[tomahawk]

Originally Posted by dunquixote1

I opened 6 CBB of EoE. I’ve become addicted to Magic since the FF set. I’ve been playing Arena probably an unhealthy amount. Haha. I still struggle a bit transferring what I’m doing in Arena to ‘real life’ but I’m learning. I don’t get any monster cards from my CBBs but I having fun organizing and attempting to make decks.

I have 24 CBBs on order of the Marvel set from my distributor in Japan. My FF order had been cut from 24 down to 7 so hopefully I don’t get crushed quite as bad on this set.

If you are interested in potentially trading, feel free to post your best stuff from the EoE CBB; I'd love to take a look. Hard to believe you didn't hit anything good in 6 boxes!

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by dunquixote1

I opened 6 CBB of EoE. I’ve become addicted to Magic since the FF set. I’ve been playing Arena probably an unhealthy amount. Haha. I still struggle a bit transferring what I’m doing in Arena to ‘real life’ but I’m learning. I don’t get any monster cards from my CBBs but I having fun organizing and attempting to make decks.

I have 24 CBBs on order of the Marvel set from my distributor in Japan. My FF order had been cut from 24 down to 7 so hopefully I don’t get crushed quite as bad on this set.

It’s hard to transfer what you have learned from arena to real mtg card play. Personally, I feel that playing in the arena has made me a worse player.

[Ianhatcher]

Rip to those who paid $1000 for their Spiderman CBB. Rudy and all his followers losing their minds is hilarious to see as there are no serialized cards and everyone is turning on the set. Love to see it!

[Brobocop]

Might be able to snag one at $600 but now it’s like catching a falling knife and to be honest, the set is stinky.

[Kobefan]

I don't know why so many people are so down about this set. There's no serialized card, but we have known about that for a long time and the art isn't that bad, so this seems like an exaggerated response IMO. There are some good arts and some mediocre arts, the Final Fantasy set is not that much better, maybe I am bias cause I have no love for Final Fantasy, Lord of the Rings, or Avatar, and Marvel cards bring back fond childhood memories, even though Spiderman isn't exactly my favorite hero and I was disappointed that MTG made a Spiderman set instead of a general Marvel Universe set. If the Collector drops to $600, I'll buy one for my collection.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

Rip to those who paid $1000 for their Spiderman CBB. Rudy and all his followers losing their minds is hilarious to see as there are no serialized cards and everyone is turning on the set. Love to see it!

As a Marvel fan that doesn't play Magic, I think the set looks awesome. Guess since I don't care about gameplay that may be one reason. haha

[Fenian95]

I am getting from my LCS(Prices in CDN)

Gift Bundle $100 (out next month)
Booster Box with promo $200
CBB $450
Scene Box(heavily allocated, thankfully I was first in line) $45
3 collector packs $40 each

Should be a fun open for a Marvel fan.

I am keeping the CBB sealed.

[tomahawk]

The Spiderman set is a litmus test for how much the external, non-player IP collector base can move the needle.

If you're not a player, it certainly has enough bells and whistles from a visual/collector standpoint to be appealing, but if you actually play the game there is not a ton to be excited about here; it is pretty darn weak from a power standpoint, and the bonus sheet reprints are mostly very low value cards. My friends who are both Magic players and Marvel fans are overwhelmingly just not interested in buying into the set, which tells me something has been lost in translation here.

Final Fantasy was the perfect storm of massive crossover appeal, a high-power set with fun, mechanically unique cards, ultra-rare, serialized chase for the finance bros., etc. I don't think we can reasonably expect to ever see another UB set replicate its success.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by tomahawk

The Spiderman set is a litmus test for how much the external, non-player IP collector base can move the needle.

If you're not a player, it certainly has enough bells and whistles from a visual/collector standpoint to be appealing, but if you actually play the game there is not a ton to be excited about here; it is pretty darn weak from a power standpoint, and the bonus sheet reprints are mostly very low value cards. My friends who are both Magic players and Marvel fans are overwhelmingly just not interested in buying into the set, which tells me something has been lost in translation here.

Final Fantasy was the perfect storm of massive crossover appeal, a high-power set with fun, mechanically unique cards, ultra-rare, serialized chase for the finance bros., etc. I don't think we can reasonably expect to ever see another UB set replicate its success.

The lack of commander decks, numbered cards, and even arena integration told me that not all was right with this set and that the run-up in price might be a bit premature. I think Avatar might be closer to this than to Final Fantasy.

I've heard there could be a Final Fantasy holiday set, similar to LOTR, but it's hard to separate the noise from what's actually true on that one.

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by tomahawk

The Spiderman set is a litmus test for how much the external, non-player IP collector base can move the needle.

If you're not a player, it certainly has enough bells and whistles from a visual/collector standpoint to be appealing, but if you actually play the game there is not a ton to be excited about here; it is pretty darn weak from a power standpoint, and the bonus sheet reprints are mostly very low value cards. My friends who are both Magic players and Marvel fans are overwhelmingly just not interested in buying into the set, which tells me something has been lost in translation here.

Final Fantasy was the perfect storm of massive crossover appeal, a high-power set with fun, mechanically unique cards, ultra-rare, serialized chase for the finance bros., etc. I don't think we can reasonably expect to ever see another UB set replicate its success.

This set will not only target non-player IP collectors. It will attract returning players like me. I quit MTG around 2017 because I dislike what MTG has become, but I want to collect and play with Marvel related characters, which many of us grew up with when we were little.

[tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

This set will not only target non-player IP collectors. It will attract returning players like me. I quit MTG around 2017 because I dislike what MTG has become, but I want to collect and play with Marvel related characters, which many of us grew up with when we were little.

That's nice to hear and I hope you have fun getting back into the game. I'm sure you're correct that this set will represent a point of entry/return for lapsed players, but isn't that something that's already baked into the concept of Universes Beyond? I mean, this same thing was also true of Lord of the Rings and Final Fantasy, and to a lesser degree Warhammer, Doctor Who, etc.

The best UB sets have offered high collectability to the "tourist" non-players as well as good value to the actual current player base in the form of popular or competitively viable game pieces. The Spiderman set seems much more attendant towards the former at the expense of the latter but is attempting to command premium pricing in a way the "second-tier" UB sets have not done to this point. So, it will be interesting to see what happens.

There have been some early collector box breaks hitting YouTube in the last 24 hours, and as expected 1) the cards look amazing and 2) the value seems to be awful, with each box I've seen maybe averaging $200-$300 even by early market pricing standards.

I'm not hating on it by any means, and I'll probably end up buying some as I always end up trying a handful of the new cards in a few of my commander decks, but this feels primed to be closer to a bust set than a smash on the level of FF.

[Ianhatcher]

CBB under $700. You love to see it.

[dunquixote1]

Part of me feels like there’s a hyperbolic reaction to Marvel because of the price action that happened with FF. I think the gate keeping MTG crowd is bitter and will crap on anything with a UB title for awhile. And then there’s the “flipper” crowd that wants the price to stay low until release. I’ll stand by the fact that if CBBs of Marvel can be grabbed for $600-650 it’ll be seen as a “deal” within a few days after release. I have grown to love the game but I do think MTG fans are generally out of touch with the sports/trading card market - they fail to recognize that “playability” has a stronger impact on prices than it actually has. Even Pokemon. I bet a very small percentage of people who collect have even attempted to play the actual game (which is basically a super dumbed down version of MTG). And one missing element is that when the 2nd Marvel set is released with the additional Infinity Stone Chase card, the prices on these OG Marvel CBBs is going to get absurd. So even if the market ends up being soft on the set up front, long term anything CBB related will be hot come a year from now.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by dunquixote1

Part of me feels like there’s a hyperbolic reaction to Marvel because of the price action that happened with FF. I think the gate keeping MTG crowd is bitter and will crap on anything with a UB title for awhile. And then there’s the “flipper” crowd that wants the price to stay low until release. I’ll stand by the fact that if CBBs of Marvel can be grabbed for $600-650 it’ll be seen as a “deal” within a few days after release. I have grown to love the game but I do think MTG fans are generally out of touch with the sports/trading card market - they fail to recognize that “playability” has a stronger impact on prices than it actually has. Even Pokemon. I bet a very small percentage of people who collect have even attempted to play the actual game (which is basically a super dumbed down version of MTG). And one missing element is that when the 2nd Marvel set is released with the additional Infinity Stone Chase card, the prices on these OG Marvel CBBs is going to get absurd. So even if the market ends up being soft on the set up front, long term anything CBB related will be hot come a year from now.

They messed up by not having the infinity stones be serialized. Even if they were to 999, that would have helped.

[dunquixote1]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

They messed up by not having the infinity stones be serialized. Even if they were to 999, that would have helped.

Maybe I’m mistaking. But isn’t it <1% to pull one? If so it’s going to be a several thousand dollar card - numbering or no numbering.

My honest God concern about the CBB serial numbering thing is the potential scanning of product. If a CBB of any product eclipses $2k it starts to enter that territory where people may begin scanning them. A serial numbering thing would be very easy for a CT scanner to pick up.