I just came up on a gold mine and im not sure how to proceed.

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by nj1980

Gotcha, this makes much more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

NP.

For what it's worth, I hope they grade well for you. Sometimes you get a grader who's feeling generous. And they're nice cards regardless.

[blockedbyjames]

Originally Posted by nj1980

Let me take a picture of the best rice one more time now that its out of the screw down.

If this isnt a 9, and you can find numerous 9s and 10s online that look way worse it is a massive injustice. I dont understand how this is tolerated.

It comes across as if you're trying to talk us in to convincing you the cards are gems and must be sent in for grading.

None of the cards are 10s, and there's a 95% chance none of them are 9s either.

Great cards! Now either send them in to be graded or don't. I would expect 6-8s on all of them and there's nothing wrong with those grades. It doesn't matter what you've found online through pictures and cases to compare. Everyone's biased when it comes to the condition of their own cards.

[nj1980]

Heres the thing.

I have seen Rice 86 topps online graded 9s or 10s that look way worse than the one I just posted. Why would mine be graded a 7 or 8 thats a bunch of BS and PSA should be ashamed of themself.

And yes Im fully aware there are other options but none of them command the same respect so we are basically forced to submit them to this joke of a company and pray that the assclown grading the card that day got laid that morning.

Its disgusting.

[nj1980]

Like I said earlier I also have a Rice PSA7 that has been graded. its nowhere in the same ballpark as 2 of these others.

[jcmel323]

PSA 4 and PSA 6 on the montana
PSA 6 , PSA 7 , PSA 8 on the Rice

Just send them to psa and let them do their job.
Save money in case you'll get charge more.

[nj1980]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Fellow Niners fan here.

No one's being negative, I think you just need to wrap your head around the fact that there are guys and gals here who have submitted 1000's upon 1000's of cards and really understand the nuance of grading. They know everything. You came for advice, you are getting advice, just maybe not the feedback you hoped for.

The odds any of these are 10s is massively low. I'm talking statistical odds. No emotion involved. The Rice specifically is graded INCREDIBLY harsh with that green border, print defects and centering. Even the slightest excuse to knock it down a grade, and grader a will do it. Have you looked at it under magnification?

Being held in screwdowns means they may be flattened, and PSA will kick it back for that. There are also a lot of fakes around.

I have PSA 9's of both of these and I have separately graded these cards on my own over the years.

Wish you all the best luck, honestly, just know it will a statistical improbability that you have a 10.

I hear you. I just dont understand why there are numerous 9s and 10s out there that look far worse, and yet all of a sudden PSA is bending over backwards looking for any excuse to lower the value of these.

Its market manipulation and its wrong and frankly something needs to be done imo.

[nj1980]

Originally Posted by jcmel323

Just send them to psa and let them do their job.

This is the problem. They dont do their job properly.

I have a Rice that is better than some of the 9s and 10s out there but it will likely come back an 8.

[nj1980]

Originally Posted by nj1980

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Can someone tell me whats wrong with this one and how it doesnt deserve at least a 9?

Because its Jerry Rice and its 86 topps? It looks like roughly 60/40 centering and 4 sharp corners with no visible issues of any kind.

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by nj1980

This is the problem. They dont do their job properly.

I have a Rice that is better than some of the 9s and 10s out there but it will likely come back an 8.

There is only one pic of a psa 10 readily available online and its gorgeous compared to the copy you have.

Yours looks as if it has 2 white dots on it, that drops it to a 9 if everything else is flawless. It looks as if the card has slight chipping along both side edges in the middle, lower portion of the cards. This drops it to an 8. The card is against a white background so its hard to tell.

Corners look solid.

Surface, i am assuming at least one surface flaw. Its hard to tell since all pics none of them are angled to see the card and if the surface is clean. But multiple dots and edging issues, I would assume this came from a vending box or factory set which would have traveled differently and allow more options for bowing over time which allows a chance for more surface issues.
One issue brings this to a 7.

Now your 7 could be more mangled in one area to bring it down to a 6, but flawless in so many other areas to bring it up to a 7.

It really is impossible to tell in pictures. If you feel that strongly about it, especially to get a 9, grade it. Do PSA.

PSA does not grade sheet cut cards (to the best of their ability) so collectors tend to pay up greatly for them.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by nj1980

Heres the thing.

I have seen Rice 86 topps online graded 9s or 10s that look way worse than the one I just posted. Why would mine be graded a 7 or 8 thats a bunch of BS and PSA should be ashamed of themself.

And yes Im fully aware there are other options but none of them command the same respect so we are basically forced to submit them to this joke of a company and pray that the assclown grading the card that day got laid that morning.

Its disgusting.

It kinda sounds like PSA is destined to disappoint you. Sometimes cards get overgraded, sometimes they get undergraded. It's not a perfect process from any company.

If you'd like to explore other options these tend to be the most talked about/trusted in my experience and in no particular order of favoritism.

SGC - https://www.gosgc.com/
CSG - https://www.csgcards.com/
BGS - https://www.beckett.com/grading

It's an exciting time! You've picked up copies of two historically significant rookies. I have a BGS 6.5 Montana and a BGS 7 Rice in my office display case and I couldn't be happier. If they are for your personal collection, do enjoy! If you are hoping for a flip and some extra cash, I wish you the best of luck with your sale.

[Bassplayah101]

Originally Posted by nj1980

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30 seconds of eyeballing, this is what I see.
Chipping, rough edges.
1-2 print dots/specks.
Possible scrape in the ctr of the card. Could be the top loader.

If I can see that from a pic, they will see it and grade it down appropriately.

PS they also check the back of the card.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by nj1980

I hear you. I just dont understand why there are numerous 9s and 10s out there that look far worse, and yet all of a sudden PSA is bending over backwards looking for any excuse to lower the value of these.

Its market manipulation and its wrong and frankly something needs to be done imo.

Nothing is going to be done, unfortunately. Grading, by it's nature, is subjective. There is a phrase among graded card collectors "Buy the card, not the grade" ... ... but people buy the grade more often than not, including myself. But "eye appeal" matters to many.

Also, your "looks better" may not be my "looks better". I've been grading for a while, folks here have been doing it longer than me. Maybe you don't know what to look for? Be open to that possibility.

PSA came under fire a few years back for all sorts of stuff and have been grading a lot harder now (with some baffling outliers - not unexpected with how many cards pass through PSA).

One can never have enough Rice/Montana rookies in my opinion, raw or otherwise. Even if other 9's look worse, you probably don't have a 10 (though it would be awesome if you did).

[nj1980]

I saw a thread somewhere the other day of a rice psa10 that sold for 72k and people were in shock. It looked about the same as the psa7 I have.

Ive also read reports of people sending cards to PSA and getting a 7 and cracking and resubmitting and getting a 10. This should never happen. PSA is a joke.

I dont feel good about being at the mercy of some random inconsistent grader.

If I was trying to gamble Id go to Vegas and count cards at all the casinos.

This is card collecting and we are paying for what should be a consistent reputable service.

[nj1980]

Its funny. You would think that they would be prone to grading it higher conisdering if they grade it a 10 they slam you to the tune of 3k or whatever it is.

[Onepocketj]

Why are you blaming the grading company when people are clearly spelling out why your cards won't get the grades you think?

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Why are you blaming the grading company when people are clearly spelling out why your cards won't get the grades you think?

Be careful. You're going to be called rude and negative.

[nj1980]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Why are you blaming the grading company when people are clearly spelling out why your cards won't get the grades you think?

Because they are horrifically inconsistent. This has been established on multiple levels.

Any other questions? Want to ask whos gonna win the SB?

Niners. Buy as many Brock Purdy RC's as you can.

[blockedbyjames]

Originally Posted by nj1980

I saw a thread somewhere the other day of a rice psa10 that sold for 72k and people were in shock. It looked about the same as the psa7 I have.

Ive also read reports of people sending cards to PSA and getting a 7 and cracking and resubmitting and getting a 10. This should never happen. PSA is a joke.

I dont feel good about being at the mercy of some random inconsistent grader.

If I was trying to gamble Id go to Vegas and count cards at all the casinos.

This is card collecting and we are paying for what should be a consistent reputable service.

Lol now you're just here to get attention. No matter how much whining any of us do about PSA, nothing is going to get your cards to end up in PSA 10 slabs. Not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Enjoy your cards. They're great cards and a great find. Save the dreams of striking it rich to the zzzzzzs or you'll be thoroughly disappointed and there's no need to be disappointed in those cards.

[mikee1186]

This went off the rails quickly despite a bunch of people trying to help. My 12-year old son is a real "know-it-all" and you sound just like him the more this unfolds. Good luck to you sir!

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by nj1980

Seems like theres a lot of negativity on this site

Didn't take you long to figure that out.

FWIW, none of those cards look like 9's to me. That's not negativity, that's just the simple meat and potatoes.

[davidantx]

These cards from a quick look appear to be 7s and 8s to me. I'd sell them raw. Or hold for a Personal Collection.

[dbackschamp2001]

Would it help if I told you that I think they'd get the first 11 grade?

[hanes1111]

Best reference of a card I own , thought it had a chance at a 9 and got 8.5. I think it was fair but these are so tough. All you can do is study and submit.

Jerry Rice RC by Lucky Larrys, on Flickr

[Tiger23]

Originally Posted by nj1980

Because they are horrifically inconsistent. This has been established on multiple levels.

Hence why collectors say buy the card and not the grade. If you are truly good at it, there is an arbitrage opportunity to make money.

No matter what with those cards, coming from someone who has graded 20ish cards ever, send them in and hope for the best. I’d pick PSA due to the market perception, but the big 3 are all good - noting SGC will turn it around by far the fastest at a cost effective price if you need to sell quick. Both cards are highly faked so when you sell the buyer will know that it is authentic and the condition is guaranteed. You will not have a buyer pull a swap or claim damage that wasn’t disclosed because it is slabbed compared to raw. Very cool find. I hope to add good looking copies of them to my collection someday.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by nj1980

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What do we think the short and curly accompanying the card does for the grade?