new vid from SCR, any one have a pic of this post / card?

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Brwdot

You saying people are morons for doing something is somehow different than me saying your take was moronic? I didn't actually call you a name at all. I was talking about your baseless opinion.

But hey, virtue signal all you want. One of us is being childish, and it's the one who is speaking out of their behind.

If I don't say how wrong your statements were by calling them baseless and moronic, there would've actually been credence to them where there was none deserved, had photo evidence not came to light.

So yeah, your takes were dumb. That's not name calling.

So far in this thread alone you've condemned someone for re-posting something, while re-posting something yourself... and then pointing fingers for name calling (when not called names) while being confirmed to use that same name-calling yourself. All while having a completely backwards take, and that is all that is all I was pointing out in the first place.. to which you doubled down and stated what "realistically happened" in some bizarro void of logic world, whilst calling me a conspiracy theorist and reminding me to vote. Cool.

I don't respond to people that way unless they are blatantly derogatory(i.e arseholes). I can't find any comment except yours that use the word moronic. Please refrain from quoting me on something I did not write in this thread. There hasn't been anyone in this thread acting like that except for one and I think you know who that is. I get you want to be the white knight in these forums but its definitely not required with my comments. My question was legit, there was another thread about this very card but it was in the baseball forum for some reason. If you believe some people need heroes on these boards, keep fighting the good fight!


Bahaha, you dug deep man. You went back two years plus? Is this an alternate account? Who hurt you? Me?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Brwdot

I hear you. I would be very interested to hear what PSA's stance would be on this card if you did indeed have it reviewed at any point. I don't understand their standard in these situations at all.

They would give me the correct grade and that’s it as I am the original submitter. Honestly, I was annoyed that they didn’t grade it correctly. It just creates an extra step for me to have it properly slabbed. Maybe I’ll bring it to Chicago and see if they’ll reslab for free there.

[Archangel1775]

You see the difference below? One is constructive..one is just being an ass. I don't know who you are or who hurt you dude.

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

The other thread is on the baseball forum.

If you're referring to the video itself, it's a different video.

Also, whether it was sent in like that, or not, isn't the point. The point is it's missing a part of the surface and it was graded as a 10. Real bad look.

If it was submitted in that condition, then the situation is even worse.

Originally Posted by Brwdot

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...4&postcount=25

I mean, you just posted this same exact moronic take a few days ago... using your condemnation of why another post... why say the same stupid thing again?

[Brwdot]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

They would give me the correct grade and that’s it as I am the original submitter. Honestly, I was annoyed that they didn’t grade it correctly. It just creates an extra step for me to have it properly slabbed. Maybe I’ll bring it to Chicago and see if they’ll reslab for free there.

I'm with you. All I ever want is accurate grading really, especially on my PC. While it's nice to get PSA 10s, I've had a few cards that had clear white on a corner and I feel disgusted that it's in a 10 holder. At the end of the day I buy the card and not the grade, and generally expect others to do the same... and I certainly wouldn't charge PSA 10 money for a low grade PSA 10. I've actually started to do the PSA authentic route lately for my Auto'd PC that is not 10 worthy, and unless its a really nice card in a 9 I won't do that either. While I do respect PSA, I like their cases a lot more.. and getting the card encapsulated where I can make my own judgement call on the condition is fine by me. The stigma of a card only being in an authentic holder because it's trimmed/altered is gone, although people should still be careful about that too.

Maybe if/when they re-slab the Jordan they will offer you some sort of compensation for doing the right thing. It only seems fair.. glgl

[duron]

Hologrfx Nba Shoetime is one of the more condition sensitive sets you’ll come across. Got the Kobe in a trade with someone here and couldn’t care less that the corners are piss poor.

[KhalDrogo]

I have the Kobe as well. Sent in the same order as the MJ. Was humorous to see them grade the same. I had the Kobe as a 6-7.

[Brwdot]

That is hilarious. That Kobe 6 is cleannnnn. Old standards that is definitely a 7. I don't care what damage I'm not seeing.

[Brwdot]

Originally Posted by duron

Hologrfx Nba Shoetime is one of the more condition sensitive sets you’ll come across. Got the Kobe in a trade with someone here and couldn’t care less that the corners are piss poor.

Definitely a card I would have slabbed Authentic. Sweet card!

[auburn35]

Very interesting video and it's nice to hear (from Dan) Nat's reasoning for not commenting on the situation. Would think "I don't have the card in hand and need more time to review what occurred" could have easily been shared on his deleted post but at least we have an explanation for the silence.

Would be interested to know if Nat was also the original submitter on the damaged BGS 9.5.

[DanTheCardMan]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Very interesting video and it's nice to hear (from Dan) Nat's reasoning for not commenting on the situation. Would think "I don't have the card in hand and need more time to review what occurred" could have easily been shared on his deleted post but at least we have an explanation for the silence.

Would be interested to know if Nat was also the original submitter on the damaged BGS 9.5.

I can only assume that he didn't want to go off early or make a mountain out of a mole hill if he didn't have all of the facts.

These pillars of the hobby really need to do better when it comes to maintaining open communication and transparency. I genuinely think some of these companies dont see the issue with staying quiet. BGS is the prime example of this level of ignorance.

Nat has been really good at this at times over the last year so expect to see him come through and deliver once he knows more information (no inside info or anything like that from me, just a gut feeling)

[KhalDrogo]

Looks like a combination of carelessness by Nat and PSA in assessing the card, and possibly favoritism by PSA in crossing the card.

No matter how PSA blinds the process, Nat’s cards can be identified if the grader knows enough. Either the individual cards are too identifiable (2003 Exquisite dual Logomen) or the grouping of cards are too identifiable (large run of BGS 9.5 MJs).

[slobbythegreat]

can someone point out the flaws on the card? i cant see anything?? soft corners?? cant see them!!

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by slobbythegreat

can someone point out the flaws on the card? i cant see anything?? soft corners?? cant see them!!

VS

[Archangel1775]

That's just hilariously bad.

[duron]

Regarding the High Dimensions in Dan’s most recent video, that’s not a dinged top left corner, it’s negative space. Those background graphics of squares/boxes don’t have 90 degree corners, they’re rounded a bit. So depending on the centering and where they’re positioned, it can make a corner seem soft.

I know the Champions of the Court set is acetate so that edge may just be a reflection.

The 97 Bowman’s just looks like a straight up dinged or even peeling lower right corner.

Good video though, will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by DanTheCardMan

I can only assume that he didn't want to go off early or make a mountain out of a mole hill if he didn't have all of the facts.

These pillars of the hobby really need to do better when it comes to maintaining open communication and transparency. I genuinely think some of these companies dont see the issue with staying quiet. BGS is the prime example of this level of ignorance.

Nat has been really good at this at times over the last year so expect to see him come through and deliver once he knows more information (no inside info or anything like that from me, just a gut feeling)

That makes sense but while waiting for those "facts", he doesn't seem to have any problems providing you fuel, to keep the fire going.

I've had both encouraging and discouraging discussions with Nat and other PSA employees, following the sale of Collectors Universe. Will be interesting to see how this topic wraps up, for sure.

[DanTheCardMan]

Originally Posted by duron

Regarding the High Dimensions in Dan’s most recent video, that’s not a dinged top left corner, it’s negative space. Those background graphics of squares/boxes don’t have 90 degree corners, they’re rounded a bit. So depending on the centering and where they’re positioned, it can make a corner seem soft.

I know the Champions of the Court set is acetate so that edge may just be a reflection.

The 97 Bowman’s just looks like a straight up dinged or even peeling lower right corner.

Good video though, will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Yep you're correct. I flagged this in my description, pinned comment and the live chat within the premiere. I did mention it in the video that it could just be offset etc.

I thought I flagged it while editing the video but for some reason my note didn't save and I missed it.

The 97 bowman might also be a print run issue. Some other cards look to be similar in the bottom right. The bottom left corner does look dinged though.

So example 2 is likely fine, the other two, combined with the Luminous seems a tad strange.

[DanTheCardMan]

Originally Posted by auburn35

That makes sense but while waiting for those "facts", he doesn't seem to have any problems providing you fuel, to keep the fire going.

I've had both encouraging and discouraging discussions with Nat and other PSA employees, following the sale of Collectors Universe. Will be interesting to see how this topic wraps up, for sure.

I will say this in his defense, whilst I thought that I was clear regarding highlighting things for the video, things may have got lost in the dialogue.

Irrespective though, if he was comfortable sharing things via DM to someone he has had little discussion with, you'd like to think he'd have kept his OG Twitter post up and said something like "Guys, I agree, this doesn't look good. I am looking into it. Stay tuned"

[auburn35]

Nat posted an update on twitter.

https://twitter.com/natsturner/statu...sOrHpe959RQrMA

"Turns out, what appeared to be missing stock / surface damage was actually peel from the manufacturing process on top of the card, which peeled off."

[duron]

Lol.

But the fact remains it still gemmed with excess stock with 2 tpg’s.

If anything comes out of this, I hope it’s that more people buy raw.

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Nat posted an update on twitter.

https://twitter.com/natsturner/statu...sOrHpe959RQrMA

"Turns out, what appeared to be missing stock / surface damage was actually peel from the manufacturing process on top of the card, which peeled off."

Thanks for the update.

Originally Posted by duron

Lol.

But the fact remains it still gemmed with excess stock with 2 tpg’s.

If anything comes out of this, I hope it’s that more people buy raw.

Exactly.

And also, let's not forget that the card has a few corners which don't look like 10 material. No idea how that thing even got a BGS 9.5 in the first place.

[hawkfandan]

So the first time they ignored it and still graded a 10. The second time they realized it was peel and even removed it for him? I'm not sure how this helps his case any. He shouldn't be grading cards while in charge and they shouldn't be altering cards for him. I'm sure the grader doesn't feel any added pressure.

"You've done it again boss! Another Gem Mint 10!"

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Nat posted an update on twitter.

https://twitter.com/natsturner/statu...sOrHpe959RQrMA

"Turns out, what appeared to be missing stock / surface damage was actually peel from the manufacturing process on top of the card, which peeled off."

I use the same pens...big fan.

So wait, they opened it, peeled off the piece, and put it back in the slab certifying it is a 10. And we have no pics or video of that process?

Edit: See Nat claims there's a video but he "needs to figure out how to post it without audio" (curious)...he clearly does not see how laughably inappropriate this whole process is.

So the grader examined the card and found "material on top of the surface"...shouldn't that have happened the first two times?

[90skid]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

Edit: See Nat claims there's a video but he "needs to figure out how to post it without audio" (curious)...he clearly does not see how laughably inappropriate this whole process is.

This part I have to agree. Imagine if this card belonged to any one of us. There's no way any customer would have been able to do what he just did.

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by 90skid

This part I have to agree. Imagine if this card belonged to any one of us. There's no way any customer would have been able to do what he just did.

It will get swept under the rug and none of the talking heads on any of the numerous payrolls will bring it up ever again unless it's curated.