A 1/1 Mickey Mantle 1952 Topps NFT on the way ... thoughts?

[pewe]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Dumbest thing since unsliced bread.

More specifically it is just the concept of unsliced bread, and when you are actually hungry you have to imagine eating it


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[js0000001]

Topps is really good at hacking out either reprints of modern players on classic designs.

Topps is really bad at anything original

[monkeymcgee]

Originally Posted by pewe

Worse yet, it’s a picture of a picture that anyone else has access to and can act like they own it and enjoy it as much as you, but for free…


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Imagine the chaos if I find scans of cards I really like and I print them out and sell them as reprints. Oh wait...

[pewe]

Originally Posted by monkeymcgee

Imagine the chaos if I find scans of cards I really like and I print them out and sell them as reprints. Oh wait...

Would they pass as the real thing? Or even be close to similar?

Because in NFTs there is no difference between the copy and the original (in fact that concept doesn’t even have meaning w/NFTs)

NFTs for things like these cards is akin to donating money to the local art museum and they put your name on the wall for thanks. Everyone still has the same access to the art as you… it just cost you more (charity!) and you can brag to friends your plaque is on the wall


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[kon jelly]

Originally Posted by monkeymcgee

I love how you guys act like this doesn't happen with cards. Hate to ruin the fairy tale, but you too participate in a market full of fraud and criminals.

The difference is the primary purpose of NFTs is money laundering.

[kon jelly]

Originally Posted by pewe

Would they pass as the real thing? Or even be close to similar?

Because in NFTs there is no difference between the copy and the original (in fact that concept doesn’t even have meaning w/NFTs)

NFTs for things like these cards is akin to donating money to the local art museum and they put your name on the wall for thanks. Everyone still has the same access to the art as you… it just cost you more (charity!) and you can brag to friends your plaque is on the wall


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The NFT isn't the image, the NFT is a url pointing to a server that says you are the "owner" of that image. It's like owning a post it note that says you own the Mona Lisa.

[monkeymcgee]

Originally Posted by pewe

Would they pass as the real thing? Or even be close to similar?

Because in NFTs there is no difference between the copy and the original (in fact that concept doesn’t even have meaning w/NFTs)

NFTs for things like these cards is akin to donating money to the local art museum and they put your name on the wall for thanks. Everyone still has the same access to the art as you… it just cost you more (charity!) and you can brag to friends your plaque is on the wall


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A lot of people buying reprints without realizing it beg to disagree

If you really think the NFT is just a jpeg that can be copied and saved by anyone, why would I--a reasonably intelligent adult--along with thousands of others pay money for that?

Seriously. Are we all giant morons in your worldview? Is it possible that you don't understand what a NFT is?

[monkeymcgee]

Originally Posted by kon jelly

The difference is the primary purpose of NFTs is money laundering.

That's the hottest take since sliced bread. The primary purpose of all high-end collectibles is money laundering. Prove me wrong.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by monkeymcgee

A lot of people buying reprints without realizing it beg to disagree

If you really think the NFT is just a jpeg that can be copied and saved by anyone, why would I--a reasonably intelligent adult--along with thousands of others pay money for that?

Seriously. Are we all giant morons in your worldview? Is it possible that you don't understand what a NFT is?

This is quite literally what most of these NFTs are… you can go download the original Beeple, if you’d like. The full resolution image is freely available to anyone who wishes to have it.

These NFTs are just plaques on walls, unless they convey with them any exclusive rights. And currently the ones I’ve seen created don’t give you ownership of anything other than that plaque.


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[Centauri3]

An NFT is like a card you own, but can’t quite put in your hand … kinda like the cards I submitted to PSA over a year ago. Theoretically I own those cards, but….

[monkeymcgee]

Originally Posted by pewe

This is quite literally what most of these NFTs are… you can go download the original Beeple, if you’d like. The full resolution image is freely available to anyone who wishes to have it.

These NFTs are just plaques on walls, unless they convey with them any exclusive rights. And currently the ones I’ve seen created don’t give you ownership of anything other than that plaque.


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Does your baseball card convey any exclusive rights? It's the same thing.

Look, I'll take critiques of NFTs from the antiwork crowd or the poli-sci major ranting about the securitization of everything in late stage capitalism. I just can't accept you guys criticizing these things for the same concept as what you collect. It's the same thing, only one is digital. Yes, you cannot burn a NFT for warmth in a dire emergency, but in terms of why you would collect them or what you do with them it is the same. In fact, I would not be at all surprised if trading cards were the template for many of the features that NFTs have.

[GrahamMoonlight]

If you really think the NFT is just a jpeg that can be copied and saved by anyone, why would I--a reasonably intelligent adult--along with thousands of others pay money for that?

Seriously. Are we all giant morons in your worldview? Is it possible that you don't understand what a NFT is?

As they say: "There's a sucker born every minute."

Not saying you're stupid, just gullible or way too trusting of a person.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by monkeymcgee

Says the dude on a cardboard forum

Seriously. Someone just laid half a million for a piece of cardboard with a picture of a 19 year old minor league player on it. These are crazy times we’re living in.

[monkeymcgee]

Originally Posted by GrahamMoonlight

As they say: "There's a sucker born every minute."

Not saying you're stupid, just gullible or way too trusting of a person.

There are a lot of shady and scammy NFT projects out there. I'm only involved in NFTs from card companies. It's a digital trading card (sometimes with video) as it stands now with more possibilities to come. I'm enjoying flipping just like I do cardboard. My best ROI (US dollars in the bank) has been in NFTs the past year.

And I have my collection right on my phone when I want to check it out or figure out what to add. I enjoy the challenges (burn awards or rewards for having certain NFTs by a deadline). There's a lot to like as a long-time cardboard guy.

I get some people just don't like these and that's fine, but I think it would be too bad if others miss out on something cool because of what I feel are mostly the same issues people can have with cards.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by GrahamMoonlight

The internet is a wonderful tool that opened up the world to everyone. You can research anything in a blink of an eye. Cryptocurrency is just a Ponzi scheme. Big difference.

Sorry to break it to you but the US dollar is a Ponzi scheme, the stock market is a Ponzi scheme and so is just about everything with perceived value.

[trendy26]

Originally Posted by sportscollect

All I gotta do is screen shot it and boom I have 1 too.

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Absolutely love this comment! Haha

I view it along the same wavelength. I just don’t understand NFT’s, nor do I have any interest to. To those making money off of them, do your thing!

[kon jelly]

Originally Posted by monkeymcgee

There are a lot of shady and scammy NFT projects out there. I'm only involved in NFTs from card companies. It's a digital trading card (sometimes with video) as it stands now with more possibilities to come. I'm enjoying flipping just like I do cardboard. My best ROI (US dollars in the bank) has been in NFTs the past year.

And I have my collection right on my phone when I want to check it out or figure out what to add. I enjoy the challenges (burn awards or rewards for having certain NFTs by a deadline). There's a lot to like as a long-time cardboard guy.

I get some people just don't like these and that's fine, but I think it would be too bad if others miss out on something cool because of what I feel are mostly the same issues people can have with cards.

First, I'll say I'm glad you enjoy them. There is definitely value to that.

But there is a huge flaw with NFTs - someone needs to maintain the server that is giving you those collections. When those servers go dark and everything you collected is gone. Not if, when.

If Topps folds I still have my cards.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by monkeymcgee

Does your baseball card convey any exclusive rights? It's the same thing.

Look, I'll take critiques of NFTs from the antiwork crowd or the poli-sci major ranting about the securitization of everything in late stage capitalism. I just can't accept you guys criticizing these things for the same concept as what you collect. It's the same thing, only one is digital. Yes, you cannot burn a NFT for warmth in a dire emergency, but in terms of why you would collect them or what you do with them it is the same. In fact, I would not be at all surprised if trading cards were the template for many of the features that NFTs have.

The difference is I control the access and viewing of my cards. You can see an image I’ve posted on here in some shoddy lighting and poor angle, but you won’t be able to get the full card experience without my permission to hold it.

Whereas many of these NFTs have no such restrictions.

I’m not anti-NFT. In fact I’m a huge fan. I just find that many are very very poorly executed today. Those that do provide the owner exclusive rights utility, I’m on board with


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[pewe]

Originally Posted by Centauri3

An NFT is like a card you own, but can’t quite put in your hand … kinda like the cards I submitted to PSA over a year ago. Theoretically I own those cards, but….

It’s like a state of quantum flux


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[monkeymcgee]

Originally Posted by kon jelly

First, I'll say I'm glad you enjoy them. There is definitely value to that.

But there is a huge flaw with NFTs - someone needs to maintain the server that is giving you those collections. When those servers go dark and everything you collected is gone. Not if, when.

If Topps folds I still have my cards.

That is a fair criticism and a risk with NFTs. There are certain projects I would not mess with due thing things being too proprietary, but some of these licensed sports NFTs either allow you to move them to other marketplaces or have plans to do so. The assets usually are in a distributed file storage service so you're not relying on single servers or providers, but those do require at least one node still being online so it's a risk.

The token itself would be pretty difficult to lose in that way as long as the project is on either a major blockchain or a sidechain to a major blockchain. These are all things people should look into before spending any money.

I'm of the "leagues and card companies have a lot to lose if they screw this up" camp and give them a good bit of slack as they work these things out, but others may want to hold off if they are interested until these mature a bit.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by kon jelly

First, I'll say I'm glad you enjoy them. There is definitely value to that.

But there is a huge flaw with NFTs - someone needs to maintain the server that is giving you those collections. When those servers go dark and everything you collected is gone. Not if, when.

If Topps folds I still have my cards.

There is no blockchain running on a single server

[TawkCards]

lol... i can add it to my 2021 project topps and 2008 topps chrome reprint collection.

[monkeymcgee]

Originally Posted by pewe

The difference is I control the access and viewing of my cards. You can see an image I’ve posted on here in some shoddy lighting and poor angle, but you won’t be able to get the full card experience without my permission to hold it.

Whereas many of these NFTs have no such restrictions.

I’m not anti-NFT. In fact I’m a huge fan. I just find that many are very very poorly executed today. Those that do provide the owner exclusive rights utility, I’m on board with


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Also a fair point--there is full transparency of the assets. But if you want to buy or trade, that may actually be a positive for some people.

To me, this is like the early days of the internet. A lot of stupid or basic examples of what can be done with a giant leap to come. I'm looking forward to see what happens.

I'd keep an eye on Candy. I think they may be the best hope to take sports NFTs into some interesting places beyond the basic collecting paradigm.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by monkeymcgee

Also a fair point--there is full transparency of the assets. But if you want to buy or trade, that may actually be a positive for some people.

To me, this is like the early days of the internet. A lot of stupid or basic examples of what can be done with a giant leap to come. I'm looking forward to see what happens.

I'd keep an eye on Candy. I think they may be the best hope to take sports NFTs into some interesting places beyond the basic collecting paradigm.

Agree re: Candy

And spot on re: internet analogy. We are in Gopher and Telnet e-mail days right now. Someone has this cool thing called Prodigy - bet that will be the long term winner. What’s Netscape and this WWW stuff???

We will all look back and shake our heads at what fools we were in 5-10 years with the knowledge we have then.


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[coltsnsox07]

"Things have the longest memories of all, beneath their stillness they are alive with all the history they have witnessed.”
This is what they say about rare artifacts from the past, that's why I collect them. Not just pictures of them.