I hate to say it, but Giannis cards are about to tank...

[mc1]

Originally Posted by bdrr

We live in an era of super teams and the Bucks gave him Middleton and Holiday. I’m not sure how anybody thought this wasn’t the end result.

KD+kyrie isnt a superteam. Harden isnt even playing.

Theyre just getting smoked.

[Kobe101]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

I think Giannis' big issue is still shooting. Teams can sag down and clog the paint. He still does a lot of eurostep bully ball to the rim. Until teams respect that he can hit mid range or 3-pointers than he is going to have issues in the playoffs. His defense is fine, his passing has improved. He is unstoppable in transition, but when teams slow the pace in the playoffs and get back on defense, than you can slow him down.

Also, of course Middleton and Holiday aren't superstars to counter another team.

The experts thought it was a fair match up. Most actually predicted the Bucks winning. And the ones that chose the Nets had the series going 6 or 7. You can't really blame it on a super team they don't have Harden.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by Kobe101

The experts thought it was a fair match up. Most actually predicted the Bucks winning. And the ones that chose the Nets had the series going 6 or 7. You can't really blame it on a super team they don't have Harden.

I didn't get it. I think they were just so enamored by a Giannis vs Durant matchup that they kind of overlooked the rest of the teams. For the Bucks to win Giannis has to cancel out Durant and Middleton/Jrue have to outplay Harden/Kyrie. With Harden out, you would think it is a no brainer, but Griffin has played really well. Kyrie/Griffin has outplayed Middleton/Jrue AND Durant has outplayed Giannis. This doesn't include Harris knocking down 3's.

I think the role players won't be lights out in Milwaukee and you will see some closer games. At the beginning of the series, I thought Nets in 5. Harden being out, Bucks can steal another game. The first 8 minutes of game three will tell you if the Bucks have any heart to make this a series.

[KnicksLife]

Buy the DIP

[danimal875]

his Top 5 in basketball reference similarity scores through first 7 years is Grant Hill, Adrian Dantley, Cliff Hagan, Kevin Garnett, Kevin McHale. Thats basketball royalty, but reads like a laundry list guys you dont want to see as your hits in a box of Flawless.

Durants top 5 is Kevin Garnett, Charles Barkley, Julius Erving, Dirk Nowitzki and Larry Bird
Irvings top 5 is Dick Van Arsdale, Joe Dumars, Mitch Richmond, Allen Iverson, and Donnie Freeman.

Irving is a solid 1A, Giannis is borderline but for him to compete aganst this field he needs to be a 1A

[bberns]

Originally Posted by danimal875

his Top 5 in basketball reference similarity scores through first 7 years is Grant Hill, Adrian Dantley, Cliff Hagan, Kevin Garnett, Kevin McHale. Thats basketball royalty, but reads like a laundry list guys you dont want to see as your hits in a box of Flawless.

Garnett is a fascinating comp. Thanks for sharing.

[deemsterz33]

Originally Posted by danimal875

his Top 5 in basketball reference similarity scores through first 7 years is Grant Hill, Adrian Dantley, Cliff Hagan, Kevin Garnett, Kevin McHale. Thats basketball royalty, but reads like a laundry list guys you dont

Weird list. Giannis has more MVPs in the last 3 years than all of those guys 80+ combined years in the league.

[mbuch21]

Giannis is 26. With his athletic frame, he probably has his peak still ahead of him, and 7-8 more productive years in the league.
Even with his current contract, he is going to move on from Milwaukee at some point to a true super team (he won’t make that mistake again) to get a ring.
Lock for HOF and plenty of asymmetrical upside to go.
Just need to decide what this crazy market is doing...

[Akphillips86]

Giannis is a great long term hold.

I currently own zero key Giannis cards, but that will change if people panic and get shortsighted.

Very few players are going to end their careers with the numbers of the Greek Freak (or awards) and I certainly wouldn’t rule out postseason success at this point either.

From someone who got priced out, please let him get affordable...


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[danimal875]

Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Weird list. Giannis has more MVPs in the last 3 years than all of those guys 80+ combined years in the league.

Agreed, but I think it has to do with MVP voting behavior, I think everyone would agree Lebron is the MVP every year, as Jordan was.

[gomiamigo]

I guess you can't spell 'We're sucking!' without G-R-E-E-K.

[Cavaliercards]

Giannis cards to the moon?

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by KnicksLife

Buy the DIP

I have a feeling the dip is gonna happen for a while.

The Bucks won tonight but I'm not convinced they can beat this team 3 more times. Giannis cant hit 3s or free throws. If he stops shooting 3s they have a shot

[sebreg]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Giannis cards to the moon?

That's a Charles Barkley "Guaaaaaar aaaaaaaannn teeeee!"

[Hoopscardz83]

The guy has one of the worst looking shots in NBA history. He's always been over hyped, but he wins MVP twice because the regular season allows a guy like him to look good. The media darling won't win a ring without either getting a shot, which he won't, or getting carried on a super team.

Paul George getting over hyped chants. How about Giannis.

[Diver757]

So in post pandemic card collecting, we do the opposite of pumping? Slander a former MVP, get the cards to dip and buy low. You guys are like 4 steps ahead of the rest of us chumps. Well played.

[meanjean9]

Originally Posted by Hoopscardz83

The guy has one of the worst looking shots in NBA history. He's always been over hyped, but he wins MVP twice because the regular season allows a guy like him to look good. The media darling won't win a ring without either getting a shot, which he won't, or getting carried on a super team.

Paul George getting over hyped chants. How about Giannis.

Hahahahahaha. Post of the day and it’s only 7:30am. And so eloquently put as well.

[minnesotachill]

When you are age 20-25, you can pretty much do no wrong. You get past that age, and you're not winning titles or MVPs, everyone acts as though the world is coming to an end.

Reality is, he will follow the same career path that so many have taken before him.

-stay loyal to original team and win nothing

-join a superteam and be hated by everyone

-win multiple titles

-get appreciated and loved as career comes to an end

-watch value of cards soar to the moon

[fabiani12333]

Giannis went 1 for 8 from three yesterday -- 4 for 32 in the playoffs. Opponents just dare him to shoot from three.

He's like a big version of Russell Westbrook -- great athlete, high intensity and motor.

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by minnesotachill

When you are age 20-25, you can pretty much do no wrong. You get past that age, and you're not winning titles or MVPs, everyone acts as though the world is coming to an end.

Reality is, he will follow the same career path that so many have taken before him.

-stay loyal to original team and win nothing

-join a superteam and be hated by everyone

-win multiple titles

-get appreciated and loved as career comes to an end

-watch value of cards soar to the moon

Difference for him is he can't shoot. It's been that way for a while now. During the regular season he looks like he turns the corner, but come playoff time it's back to the same thing. I used to give him the benefit of the doubt...he's young.. he'll figure it out. It's a pattern that you can't ignore anymore. Now he takes 13 seconds to shoot a free throw and not only misses them at a pretty decent percentage but even air balls them....when he isn't getting called for free throw violations.

Others have shown progression early in their careers.... Giannis it's the opposite... regression. This has not been a good playoffs for Giannis. All games are on TNT/ESPN/ABC.... The world sees your struggles. During the regular season you get a handful of games on national TV and the rest is box scores and highlights. 28/15/7 in a win on March 24th looks great...now you see a similar line but it's 4-31 from 3 in the playoffs and 2-7 from free throw line with free throw line violations. And tons of wasted possessions with no passing...just Giannis dribbling up court with a 15 foot bubble until he drives to the basket with 4 guys crashing the lane. Eventually things get in guys heads.... Free throws are that way now.

I hope he can win a championship in the future....it just doesn't look like he will be the reason the team wins. He will have to go to another team and be someone's Robin.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Giannis went 1 for 8 from three yesterday -- 4 for 32 in the playoffs. Opponents just dare him to shoot from three.

He's like a big version of Russell Westbrook -- great athlete, high intensity and motor.

Needs to stop shooting. The difference between his effective FG within three feet and outside is absurd. Makes no sense to continue to allow him to shoot the three. He doesn’t have it and never will.

[YourAvgSutton]

Originally Posted by meanjean9

Hahahahahaha. Post of the day and it’s only 7:30am. And so eloquently put as well.

You put it better than I was going to

Like I said in the Giannis thread, keep the hot takes coming!!! The hotter the takes, the better they are to look back on.

[grayghost17]

The thing with Giannis is that he wasn't even remotely involved late in the game. It was Middleton's show. Even Holiday and Lopez got looks before Giannis. Blake Griffin was giving him the open shot, and swatted him both times when he drove. His lack of FT shooting is a big problem. How can he be a franchise player if he's not even their closer? And he looks happy to defer. He needs an alpha, he cannot be the alpha.

[imbluestreak23]

This thread was dead quiet when the bucks rolled over the nets 2-1 in the regular season in prime time games, two times close out the regular season.

Now everyone likes to chime in. Where were yah at when Giannis was dominating? Series is 2-1 and neither team can play as bad as they did. Hoping for a 2-2 series

[YourAvgSutton]

Originally Posted by Diver757

So in post pandemic card collecting, we do the opposite of pumping? Slander a former MVP, get the cards to dip and buy low. You guys are like 4 steps ahead of the rest of us chumps. Well played.

It's a crazy thing LOL. It certainly isn't even limited to Giannis. LeBron/Luka/Mahomes/etc. etc. etc. Every person who missed out on the rise of cards over the past 12-24 months seemingly used that time to grow more and more frustrated with themselves, other collectors, and the hobby. Now that there has been a dip they are having their coming out parties. I've been spending less and less time on Blowout because of it. 95% of accounts created in 2020 & 2021 should be banned so these threads can go back to being half-tolerable.

Originally Posted by minnesotachill

When you are age 20-25, you can pretty much do no wrong. You get past that age, and you're not winning titles or MVPs, everyone acts as though the world is coming to an end.

Reality is, he will follow the same career path that so many have taken before him.

-stay loyal to original team and win nothing

-join a superteam and be hated by everyone

-win multiple titles

-get appreciated and loved as career comes to an end

-watch value of cards soar to the moon

Well said.

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

Difference for him is he can't shoot. It's been that way for a while now. During the regular season he looks like he turns the corner, but come playoff time it's back to the same thing. I used to give him the benefit of the doubt...he's young.. he'll figure it out. It's a pattern that you can't ignore anymore.

Thank you for leaving a worthwhile / accurate / well thought-out analysis. I agree with you on the above.

Every year I find myself less and less hopeful that he'll figure it out from the free throw and 3 point lines. My sliver of belief I still have in him becoming even adequate stems from the fact he's seemingly one of the hardest working players there is.

For me, he is one of the most dominant players I've ever watched play all the while missing such a large part of today's game. Even if the naysayers are 100% right, and his shot never improves from what we saw yesterday, I still think he goes down as a great. If he does improve, even slightly, he'll average 40/15 a game and is a ring or two away from landing in the top 5 all-time discussion.

This is why I'm all for the slander, the hot takes, etc. If players 'expiration dates' to 'figure it out' is 26, then I'll get patient and buy every superstar once they turn. Look at the resumes of the greats and see which ones started their decline at 26/27. I don't have the stats but I'm sure the list is slim.

For the 'investors' out there, be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful. For my 'collectors' out there, AKA pre 2020 and 2021 Blowout, it's a nice feeling knowing the cards can go to $0.00 and you still love them all the same. Sure, whatever I wind up holding my kids won't cash in for as much someday, but if their inheritance is dependent on my card collection I've lived life wrong.

These threads will be fun to look back on someday, one way or another.