Target Online Sales Thread

[MarkN]

They should offer it online as an add-on product only. Buy $100 in groceries, etc. you are eligible for an SKU or two. Bots eliminated.

[thenightman]

We are one step away from mass production.

[J1L]

Originally Posted by MarkN

They should offer it online as an add-on product only. Buy $100 in groceries, etc. you are eligible for an SKU or two. Bots eliminated.

Bots would destroy this model.

[J1L]

Originally Posted by thenightman

We are one step away from mass production.

You’re not wrong, that’s for sure.

[Charmcity81]

Actually. Target and Walmart could destroy the bots. Creating a Bot can only do so much. Let’s say when target and Walmart release products. The inventory is sold out in Seconds. All Walmart and target security team has to do. Look at the purchases and times. VPN and proxies mean nothing. When people our ordering every product, it might only be 200 people not 1000’s. When they these discord’s get alerts, bang right there. It’s 5min before it goes live to the public, it doesn’t matter if you manually order it. You wrote an application that breached the system for financial, gains. Every order should get canceled and ban. Trust me you get sign up for new accounts with proxies and vpns. Addresses, credit cards. Trust me, they have experts who have a lot more skill and experience then these kids. Ksrautomation, would get destroyed by target and Walmart, so fast, and be out of business. The owners our not very smart. They can’t keep quiet, they post every time they hit.

Remember last week KSR bragged about coping 12k UFC boxes. Bit them in the ass, UFC did exactly what I said needs to be done. Canceled every order. It’s over if companies follow what UFC did, it’s so simple. To beat that system, reality is there black hat hackers. Why they hack in the computer networks, to find vulnerabilities, it’s deff for malicious intent - why, there selling a product for financial gains !

Foot locker, any company could figure this out.


Captcha, and etc mean nothing anymore. If they want to get cleaver, they would have to create an application that most likely will be breaking the law.


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[ronzo]

Originally Posted by Charmcity81

Actually. Target and Walmart could destroy the bots. Creating a Bot can only do so much. Let’s say when target and Walmart release products. The inventory is sold out in Seconds. All Walmart and target security team has to do. Look at the purchases and times. VPN and proxies mean nothing. When people our ordering every product, it might only be 200 people not 1000’s.

Foot locker, any company could figure this out.


Captcha, and etc mean nothing anymore. If they want to get cleaver, they would have to create an application that most likely will be breaking the law.


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But the question is why do all that work if they're selling all of their product? Spend more money to sell the same amount of product?

[Charmcity81]

Target then should sell the product at reseller prices. If I was running the show, don’t care if I sell out the product out. It would piss me off that who is buying it is selling for 3x -5x. Let’s say only 2 per person, bots would still get caught very easy. You don’t think they have a security developers who can dev op code to automate - aka alerts but names, address, cards. I know personally about this stuff, I’m not a developer but work for a company, where he hired security folks who built out the enterprise systems. These guys don’t work corporate jobs, they start there own company, and get brought on as the experts. I read articles that AIO can beat any system. Great, but what about the orders that come in. You can’t really manipulate that. I wouldn’t even bother or care about all the automation programming they created. I would sit back, have my team drink some coffee, get on Twitter to see the idiots posting. Let’s say 5 min after the release, because we all know it’s sold out. This is where the fun part comes in with very high level security folks. Every order would be canceled.

If any bot wants to challenge my theory, I’ll have my buddy chime in. He was actually contacted from already started.
Dress Barns to rebuild the sail point enterprise identity management system. Why because the previous company who was hired screwed up the integrations with the other security products running on the network.

Dude is working on 3 projects at a time. I can call this guy anytime, to chat he is one of the coolest guys i ever hired. We became friends.

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[mmbtvs]

Originally Posted by ATeamHasNoName

Is it possible a new/joint system is developed? I’m not sure where the line is drawn on who’s job it is to do what…


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For that to happen the items would all have to return for new UPC codes or every product that the excell has ever sold would have to be added into the system. And then an inventory taken, and the replacement UPC codes would have to be corrected. It's just not a feasible process.

[Charmcity81]

No system has to be developed, retailers should let the bots Cook. Easier for them, To cancel every order, ban there accounts. Red team vs blue team Google. Any release that is popular should never sell out in 3 min. You do realize when Target and Walmart releases product, there usually is 10000 boxes. #@#@#@#@ is selling out 3 min.


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[Charmcity81]

No one on here can tell me how they can beat the system. On what I just preached. Its not possible with out getting an alert or using a bot to sell 10k skus in 3 min. Funny thing it’s prob same 100 names every time in database.


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[Charmcity81]

Originally Posted by mmbtvs

For that to happen the items would all have to return for new UPC codes or every product that the excell has ever sold would have to be added into the system. And then an inventory taken, and the replacement UPC codes would have to be corrected. It's just not a feasible process.

Don’t need UPC. The person that places the orders, you would see 50 diff transactions but all went through under 1 min.

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[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Charmcity81

No one on here can tell me how they can beat the system. On what I just preached. Its not possible with out getting an alert or using a bot to sell 10k skus in 3 min. Funny thing it’s prob same 100 names every time in database.


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3 minutes? You do realize there are times Target and especially Walmart have sold that many boxes in less than 10 seconds, right? 3 minutes on target.com is an eternity. I don't think anyone on here would complain if you could get a notification and have 3 minutes to buy. The issue is they won't send out notifications anymore and usually the product is gone immediately regardless.

[ronzo]

Originally Posted by Charmcity81

No one on here can tell me how they can beat the system. On what I just preached. Its not possible with out getting an alert or using a bot to sell 10k skus in 3 min. Funny thing it’s prob same 100 names every time in database.


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You wont answer why itd be worth the effort to set up such a system. They're selling all of their product, why spend more time and money to achieve the same results?

[cj828282]

Originally Posted by Charmcity81

No system has to be developed, retailers should let the bots Cook. Easier for them, To cancel every order, ban there accounts. Red team vs blue team Google. Any release that is popular should never sell out in 3 min. You do realize when Target and Walmart releases product, there usually is 10000 boxes. #@#@#@#@ is selling out 3 min.


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I was thinking the same thing but how fast does it take bots to create a new account? Would there be time to allow humans to purchase before new accounts are created?

[Charmcity81]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

3 minutes? You do realize there are times Target and especially Walmart have sold that many boxes in less than 10 seconds, right? 3 minutes on target.com is an eternity. I don't think anyone on here would complain if you could get a notification and have 3 minutes to buy. The issue is they won't send out notifications anymore and usually the product is gone immediately regardless.

That’s even easier for Walmart and target to catch. Those orders, same people place separate 100 checkouts all under 1min.

If these retailers want to play game its over. UFC wasn’t playing were they ! 12k boxes under 1 min I heard.

All cancel.


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[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Charmcity81

That’s even easier for Walmart and target to catch. Those orders, same people place separate 100 checkouts all under 1min.

If these retailers want to play game its over. UFC wasn’t playing were they ! 12k boxes under 1 min I heard.

All cancel.


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Virtually every single walmart.com drop worth getting for like 9 months has been 99.999999% botted and sold out in less than 10 or 15 seconds. Walmart has done nothing. But they had no problem late 2019 canceling my $8,000 worth of Prizm basketball I bought on multiple days and charged me 2 months in advance of shipping. Then when everyone else gets their boxes shipped they cancel all my orders.

What's really funny is that walmart.com is so crappy and hard to search for cards to begin with that even if a normal user knew the exact date and time of a drop no normal user could get an order in less than 15 seconds.

[Charmcity81]

Your right about target not sending out alerts. The bots and cook groups found a vulnerability in the system. They set up web crawlers with key words, that ping.

Get alerted 3 min before the public. Just look on Twitter. That is why all Target has to do, is look at the orders, because if orders our been placed before going live, red flag. I know this personally, it’s all over Twitter and idiots our taking screen shots


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[Charmcity81]

We chatted today. His role and title, has or know someone in Walmart that can make a change. Like I said, to hire the best of the best I use LinkedIn. Cyber security for the past yr was hiring guys with rare talent.




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[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Charmcity81

That’s even easier for Walmart and target to catch. Those orders, same people place separate 100 checkouts all under 1min.

If these retailers want to play game its over. UFC wasn’t playing were they ! 12k boxes under 1 min I heard.

All cancel.


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The retailers don’t really care. At least in the sense that caring means they have to devote capital and manpower on trying to play whack-a-mole.

[Charmcity81]

Im not technical but know more then most on this board. Cyber security is such a broad term. Just like a developer, on your resume, under technical skills, they will put applications and etc. fair game on your resume. You touching the software does not mean you know it. Number one rule don’t BS on your resume. If applying for technical job. Our managers will start with basic coding questions. They will know in 2 min if the person is a fraud.


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[Charmcity81]

Originally Posted by ronzo

You wont answer why itd be worth the effort to set up such a system. They're selling all of their product, why spend more time and money to achieve the same results?

If you really our passion about your cyber security team. Your company is running on a large and complex system. You apply in-depth defense strategies inside the networks to rapidly identify vulnerabilities and threats, prioritize response actions, and develop effective counter-measures.

If your spending 100millions on your product, you should take everything serious. There is no diff in my mind, some one hacking a system stealing credit cards. Either way they will sell out the product. It seems your using a bot. The method I explained, would make you very angry. Would you be upset, if some how your credit card information got stolen, from a website that was hacked and breached. Yes or no


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[Charmcity81]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

The retailers don’t really care. At least in the sense that caring means they have to devote capital and manpower on trying to play whack-a-mole.

They actually don’t have to devote capital and manpower. Maybe a small retailer. They can sit around, once the product is release, wait 5 min. Open up the system, and Cancel every order. You don’t get it still. I would tell my team who cares about the bots and stuff. All they need is to see the orders. You ever think of that. You probably Pay for a bot. Let’s say you placed 50 orders of 2020 nfl mega boxes and every order went through under 45sec. Your VPN is not hiding your address and zip codes. Anyone who can place that many orders under min, I’m pretty sure any high level security person sees a red flag


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[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Charmcity81

If you really our passion about your cyber security team. Your company is running on a large and complex system. You apply in-depth defense strategies inside the networks to rapidly identify vulnerabilities and threats, prioritize response actions, and develop effective counter-measures.

If your spending 100millions on your product, you should take everything serious. There is no diff in my mind, some one hacking a system stealing credit cards. Either way they will sell out the product. It seems your using a bot. The method I explained, would make you very angry. Would you be upset, if some how your credit card information got stolen, from a website that was hacked and breached. Yes or no


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While there is overlap, protecting sensitive identity information and trying to protectively or retroactively ban retail bots are two completely different levels of concern.

One poses a threat to the stability of the webpage or server. The other poses a serious threat not on financially in liabilities but also in public image and trust.

[jumbosound]

Is this thread shut down yet

[mmbtvs]

Originally Posted by Charmcity81

Don’t need UPC. The person that places the orders, you would see 50 diff transactions but all went through under 1 min.

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Yeah you do. This is in reference to all the merchandise that was in store and it's disposition.