2021 BBHOF finalists

[chetb]

I hear you, definitely going to pale in comparison after 2020’s class of superstars. But I still think Pierce, Bosh, Webber, and Wallace are solid picks!

Also forgot to call out Toni Kukoc is in as well (selected by the international committee).

[Stoiclife]

I've gone back and forth on Webber. Never won a ring but put up monster numbers consistently over the years. Small market in Sacramento probably hurts him. If pressed I would vote yes but I can understand why some people don't vote for him.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by chetb

I hear you, definitely going to pale in comparison after 2020’s class of superstars. But I still think Pierce, Bosh, Webber, and Wallace are solid picks!

Also forgot to call out Toni Kukoc is in as well (selected by the international committee).

And Bobby Dandridge for veteran.

[armoursave]

Congrats to C. Webb, so happy to see him make it through.

[drobfan8]

Rasheed Wallace is not a HOFer.

Come on people.

That would be a joke.

[bpc3qh]

Originally Posted by Stoiclife

I've gone back and forth on Webber. Never won a ring but put up monster numbers consistently over the years. Small market in Sacramento probably hurts him. If pressed I would vote yes but I can understand why some people don't vote for him.

It's not just the NBA HoF, though. It's the *Basketball* HoF. The Fab Five is a part of his legacy, and factors positively into his case too.

[byronscott4ever]

I’d vote Webber over Robert Horry every day — sorry Rudy T

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by chetb

I hear you, definitely going to pale in comparison after 2020’s class of superstars. But I still think Pierce, Bosh, Webber, and Wallace are solid picks!

Also forgot to call out Toni Kukoc is in as well (selected by the international committee).

That's a nice group to go in. All well deserved.

[bpc3qh]

Originally Posted by byronscott4ever

I’d vote Webber over Robert Horry every day — sorry Rudy T

They're not mutually exclusive, though. Both should be in the Hall; both probably should've already been in for years.

[byronscott4ever]

Originally Posted by bpc3qh

They're not mutually exclusive, though. Both should be in the Hall; both probably should've already been in for years.

I brought up Horry due to Rudy. Claude Provost has the 4th most Stanley Cup wins ever—more than Gretzky, Messier, or Lemieux and nearly everyone else. Not in the Hall of Fame. Titles alone don’t cut it. Find me someone in the basketball HOF who averaged double digits three times in their career, never averaged over 12.2 points, never made an All NBA team, never made an All Star Game, never won a NCAA title, never won an Olympic medal, never coached, and whose sole individual accomplishment was second team All Rookie.

[drobfan8]

Robert Horry isn't really a HOFer either.

But I'd like to see him get in.

[Bulls90s]

Toni Kukoc got in?...didnt see that coming...Congrats. When's the enshrinement ceremony?

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by Bulls90s

Toni Kukoc got in?...didnt see that coming...Congrats. When's the enshrinement ceremony?

Not surprised, he is better than Divac and Radja. It does get me thinking that the international selection might need to retire. Aside from Manu, who is left for an international player. Manu is probably good enough just in NBA. The NBA picks over the young euro talent now.

[bpc3qh]

Originally Posted by byronscott4ever

whose sole individual accomplishment was second team All Rookie.

His sole individual *award*, you mean. He's one of the 2-3 best clutch players of all time, across decades for multiple teams. Without him, three different dynasties don't exist. I think the HoF should be more than just the top of the leaderboards, and Horry is the perfect example of that.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by bpc3qh

His sole individual *award*, you mean. He's one of the 2-3 best clutch players of all time, across decades for multiple teams. Without him, three different dynasties don't exist. I think the HoF should be more than just the top of the leaderboards, and Horry is the perfect example of that.

I hope he gets in. It would be cool.

But I don't know how he beats out players that were All Stars and lead teams for their careers.

Horry often put together pretty poor seasons and was out of shape. But he was always ready for the Playoffs.

It's hard to call a guy a HOFer that had that attitude.

[bpc3qh]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Horry often put together pretty poor seasons and was out of shape. But he was always ready for the Playoffs.

It's hard to call a guy a HOFer that had that attitude.

I dunno...kinda sounds like Shaq to me. Dude had to play himself into shape every single season. Shaq obviously put up better numbers, but that attitude wasn't unique to Horry. My point is that Horry got it done when his team needed him.

[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by byronscott4ever

I brought up Horry due to Rudy. Claude Provost has the 4th most Stanley Cup wins ever—more than Gretzky, Messier, or Lemieux and nearly everyone else. Not in the Hall of Fame. Titles alone don’t cut it. Find me someone in the basketball HOF who averaged double digits three times in their career, never averaged over 12.2 points, never made an All NBA team, never made an All Star Game, never won a NCAA title, never won an Olympic medal, never coached, and whose sole individual accomplishment was second team All Rookie.

You’re completely ignoring the biggest reason for considering Horry for the HOF. It wasn’t just that he happened to be on a bunch of championship teams, but how integral he was and how many monster shots he hit. He hit so many big shots, it literally became his nickname. You can’t revisit those championships without also thinking of Horry and all the buzzer beaters he hit. Does someone get into the HOF just by hitting a bunch of big shots in big games? Ehh, maybe...maybe not. As a fan, would I love to see him get in? Absolutely.

[ninjacookies]

Bob's a tough case.

There's no debating he's probably the GOAT clutch role player in postseason history. But in the end...still a role player.

It's going to set a real precedent if they allow a career 7/5/2 guy with zero accolades (outside of rings) in solely on account of his ability to knock it down when the lights got bright.

[bpc3qh]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

It's going to set a real precedent if they allow a career 7/5/2 guy with zero accolades (outside of rings) in solely on account of his ability to knock it down when the lights got bright.

I dunno, I feel like Horry is such a historically unique case that nobody else would be brought up. That's part of what makes him special. He's a 1/1.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by bpc3qh

I dunno, I feel like Horry is such a historically unique case that nobody else would be brought up. That's part of what makes him special. He's a 1/1.

Totally. Ice smoothie in his veins.

But let's also not ignore the fact he's probably the luckiest man on earth. Landing on arguably 3 of the greatest dynasties of his time (yes, I realize they were dynasties in part due to his unique contributions). But still...the talent pool was immense playing alongside those all-time greats.

[byronscott4ever]

I bet a lot of HOF players would trade that status for a ring let alone 7. Players can have a great career and not be in the Hall.

[k13]

Why is Chris Bosh in?

HOF getting worse every year.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by k13

Why is Chris Bosh in?

HOF getting worse every year.

What a stupid ta...never mind its you

[bpc3qh]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Totally. Ice smoothie in his veins.

But let's also not ignore the fact he's probably the luckiest man on earth. Landing on arguably 3 of the greatest dynasties of his time (yes, I realize they were dynasties in part due to his unique contributions). But still...the talent pool was immense playing alongside those all-time greats.

Well sure, but every player gets lucky, to an extent. Timmy got lucky that he landed with Pop and the Spurs culture; Russell was lucky that he got with Red and the Celtics; ditto basically every 80s Celtic in the HoF (including Larry, to an extent). My view is that Horry was uniquely great at connecting and contributing and that sets him above the rest.

[PLB9eight]

Originally Posted by bpc3qh

His sole individual *award*, you mean. He's one of the 2-3 best clutch players of all time, across decades for multiple teams. Without him, three different dynasties don't exist. I think the HoF should be more than just the top of the leaderboards, and Horry is the perfect example of that.

He’s hit some clutch shots but that does that really make him an all time clutch player? Seems like a big stretch. If he was so clutch maybe his teams wouldn’t have been behind to start with.


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