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Old 01-24-2021, 08:22 PM   #51
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I searched completed auctions and there haven't been any '84-85 Bulls team bags sold in the past 2 months.
Because I (and probably several others as well) reported it and it was taken down, not sold. You're welcome
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Old 01-24-2021, 08:26 PM   #52
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I guess there are a lot of new people that like star suddenly now that the prices are on the rise. The best thing you can do is go to this website and absorb the information for yourself and refer back to it when you need it. The amount of misinformation that gets repeated without any evidence here and in other forums is astounding.

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The person that made this knows more about this product than the rest of us put together.

No, schonco was not the help they had to start grading the cards. That was an original dealer and someone that still deals with them, Steve Taft. He trained them, SCD, and GAI which were both great at grading star. Not what GAI became toward the end but the original.

As for the people that hang their hat on psa telling them what is and is not ok to collect, keep doing that. And when psa gives them their blessing go out and pay 5x for the same cards you could buy now and talk about how you've always liked them.

PSA says they don't grade trimmed cards too and that's clearly wrong. Educate yourselves and quit thinking this entity of other "people" has your interest at heart. PSA is not a supernatural being. You can quickly learn more about star than they know. Might take you a week. Try it. Knowledge is fun.
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Old 01-24-2021, 08:42 PM   #53
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There is clearly a bias against Star cards by certain people for some reason and I just don't get it. Ultimately the market will decide and I'd be willing to bet almost anything that collectors will decide they are criminally undervalued. Recent sales are already starting to show that they're getting their due.
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Old 01-24-2021, 08:51 PM   #54
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There is clearly a bias against Star cards by certain people for some reason and I just don't get it. Ultimately the market will decide and I'd be willing to bet almost anything that collectors will decide they are criminally undervalued. Recent sales are already starting to show that they're getting their due.
It’s because a lot of people don’t collect cards. They collect $. And PSA is the quickest vehicle to make the most $. So when PSA says don’t collect those cards they say ok PSA I won’t. And now if PSA under Nat says ok you can collect them now they’ll say oh great I love those cards and I always have.

And all the sh!t that’s been repeated for literally years will suddenly be different now just because, even though it was never right to begin with.
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Old 01-24-2021, 10:20 PM   #55
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I got 10k waiting I been looking to buy a star Jordan rookie do a lot of research. I bought a few counterfit ones that look real but the card has his wrong birthday. I will upload them.

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Old 01-24-2021, 10:34 PM   #56
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It’s because a lot of people don’t collect cards. They collect $. And PSA is the quickest vehicle to make the most $. So when PSA says don’t collect those cards they say ok PSA I won’t. And now if PSA under Nat says ok you can collect them now they’ll say oh great I love those cards and I always have.

And all the sh!t that’s been repeated for literally years will suddenly be different now just because, even though it was never right to begin with.
This made me laugh, but it is so true. The Sheep Mentality is real!!
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Old 01-25-2021, 11:42 AM   #57
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I've really enjoyed this discussion so far. 80s Star basketball is bound to catch-on, as collectors following the hype behind his '86 Fleer realize there are other early Jordan cards. As these "collectors" become more educated - and I highly recommend reading up on Star Co. before spending big money, they will realize these are important basketball releases. There was a massive gap in NBA cards from 1981-82 Topps to 1986 Fleer, and Star is your key to bridging that gap.
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Old 01-25-2021, 10:57 PM   #58
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Seems like the Star 117 is catching on. Love that card and it pre dates the Fleer!
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Old 01-25-2021, 11:12 PM   #59
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Seems like the Star 117 is catching on. Love that card and it pre dates the Fleer!
Yeah, the 117 is definitely on fire right now which is great to see
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Old 01-26-2021, 12:28 AM   #60
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Yeah, the 117 is definitely on fire right now which is great to see
Yes, the Star cards from 84-86 were quite undervalued comparing 86 Fleer since there were many misconceptions for Star cards which dragged down the value they deserved. Thanks for this thread, I have learnt many knowledges for Star cards and finally got enough confident to buy a Star Jordan, but I would pick the 86 Star since the price is still affordable to me.
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Old 01-26-2021, 12:56 AM   #61
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I knew the Star cards would catch on eventually, seemed very undervalued compared to the 86 Fleer, I just picked up a 1984-85 Star Set last month and I got in just in time to watch the values creep up.
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Old 01-26-2021, 01:55 AM   #62
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I was checking the recent sales for Star Jordan and I came cross a 86 Star Best of the New/Old Olajuwon BGS 9.5 sold for near 1k. Does the card worth the price it sold?
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Old 01-26-2021, 09:32 AM   #63
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Always preferred Star Jordan XRC because it's the first official Jordan pro card. It may be a heretical view, but I'm just not a fan of 86 Fleer in terms of design.
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Old 01-26-2021, 09:56 AM   #64
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I searched completed auctions and there haven't been any '84-85 Bulls team bags sold in the past 2 months.
Speaks to the fact that those holding clean copies and want to sell are grading. Have to be crazy not to, right?

Holding is a different matter of course. Those people aren't selling bagged copies either.
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Old 01-26-2021, 10:40 AM   #67
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Schonco is a 2 person partnership and I'm sure I'll butcher the names here but I think it was Chris Sanchirico and William Shonshek or something close to those if I remember correctly and Schonco was the name for their parternship maybe, I'm not sure.
That I knew, I just assumed since they "won" the auction, the wise play would be to enlist all potential competition. Keep bidding down. In retrospect probably something I shouldn't have posted and plan to delete.

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Not sure what you mean about Steve having sheets
You caught me with my pants down. Was on Ebay. Not now.

This is. HAD to be in the Schonco sale right? Along with all of the others.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-86-Sta...wAAOSwaaJepwAF
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Old 01-26-2021, 10:46 AM   #68
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This is my favorite Star card:

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Old 01-26-2021, 10:56 AM   #69
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That I knew, I just assumed since they "won" the auction, the wise play would be to enlist all potential competition. Keep bidding down. In retrospect probably something I shouldn't have posted and plan to delete.



You caught me with my pants down. Was on Ebay. Not now.

This is. HAD to be in the Schonco sale right? Along with all of the others.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-86-Sta...wAAOSwaaJepwAF
Steve would be the person to ask. I don't know how he acquires his pieces.
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Old 01-27-2021, 10:41 AM   #70
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thanks guys for all the info. I think we are going to buy graded as it is too much of a gamble with the bags. Is there a big price difference between these 2? Is it worth it to play a little more for the higher grade?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-85-Sta...0dcb%7Ciid%3A1

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jor...t/203259538414
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Old 01-27-2021, 10:53 AM   #71
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The population for 84 Star 101:
9.5 x 3; 9 x 68; 8.5 x 237; 8 x 231; 7.5 x 179; 7 x 87; Total graded 902;

From the population report, you can see both 7.5 and 7 are below average, so I would pick the cheaper one if the price difference within 2k.
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So if there is less than 2K difference, go with the higher grade. If its more than 2k go with the lower grade?
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Old 01-27-2021, 12:18 PM   #73
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So if there is less than 2K difference, go with the higher grade. If its more than 2k go with the lower grade?
Yes, but that depends on the final value of the card. I have not idea how much those two are going to end so I would say 10% difference is acceptable.
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Old 01-27-2021, 12:26 PM   #74
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With only ~902 Jordan Star 101's and some in the bags still, this will be a million dollar card... Of course missed the boat but maybe can get a lower end card... who knows
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Yes, but that depends on the final value of the card. I have not idea how much those two are going to end so I would say 10% difference is acceptable.
There's going to be more than a 10% difference in sale price between a 7 and an 8 by the time those auctions end. Guaranteed.
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