The Mbappe rookie debate - Poll Results from the most famous soccer card group in FB

[Ianhatcher]

I get people excited about the boom but the thing no one talks about is the ugliness that comes along with it and it's coming.

[Jeff1970Red]

What are you referring to here? The bust or the greed?

[Ianhatcher]

Originally Posted by Jeff1970Red

What are you referring to here? The bust or the greed?

Fake cards, trimming cards, pack weighing, opening up packs or cases till you get a good hit then selling the rest of the boxes/packs. It's rampant in basketball and other sports.

Just go over to the basketball forums and read some of the crap they say. People complaining about Panini upping the price of boxes in one thread then bragging about how they bought 50 Fanatics Green Donruss Optic sets for $70 and then flipped them for $300 each in another thread.

People run bots to snatch up the good product as it releases. It's a cancer.

I was watching a basketball youtuber the other day and he hit a $1000 card in the first few packs and the first thing out of his mouth was "What do I do, do I keep opening packs??" He finished the box but the fact he even said that was disgusting to me and I immediately unsubbed.

I pretty much refuse to buy loose packs and boxes and I for sure won't buy them now from anyone or retailer. It's cases or nothing for most products.

Do you notice how new people here never say hey, I'm a fan of such and such team what is a good product? They ask what can make me money? That's a red flag to me. I'm a collector first and do sell stuff not in my PC and have a lot to gain from the boom but I honestly would rather it not if we have to deal with some of the stuff that comes along with it.

In basketball they have a saying "You have to be a dealer to be a collector" and that is kinda sad if you ask me.

[ThoseBackPages]

Ian, cards are not for you, for sure

nothing youve listed is new and has been going on for 50 years

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

Fake cards, trimming cards, pack weighing, opening up packs or cases till you get a good hit then selling the rest of the boxes/packs. It's rampant in basketball and other sports.

Just go over to the basketball forums and read some of the crap they say. People complaining about Panini upping the price of boxes in one thread then bragging about how they bought 50 Fanatics Green Donruss Optic sets for $70 and then flipped them for $300 each in another thread.

People run bots to snatch up the good product as it releases. It's a cancer.

I was watching a basketball youtuber the other day and he hit a $1000 card in the first few packs and the first thing out of his mouth was "What do I do, do I keep opening packs??" He finished the box but the fact he even said that was disgusting to me and I immediately unsubbed.

I pretty much refuse to buy loose packs and boxes and I for sure won't buy them now from anyone or retailer. It's cases or nothing for most products.

Do you notice how new people here never say hey, I'm a fan of such and such team what is a good product? They ask what can make me money? That's a red flag to me. I'm a collector first and do sell stuff not in my PC and have a lot to gain from the boom but I honestly would rather it not if we have to deal with some of the stuff that comes along with it.

In basketball they have a saying "You have to be a dealer to be a collector" and that is kinda sad if you ask me.

Trimming may already be here. It's also possible my eyes are deceiving me.

[spotted penguins]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Trimming may already be here. It's also possible my eyes are deceiving me.

Glad I'm not the only one who saw this too, I thought I was seeing things.

[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Trimming may already be here. It's also possible my eyes are deceiving me.

Right side? Not sure the second pic helps. Anyways that smalltraditions guy have already sold a lot of messis from his rookie year.

[k13]

Talking about 5-10 years??

People forget Rooney was was rated higher and more popular than Messi/Ronaldo at a time. No one cares about Rooney now.

Lacazette scored 28 goals in 30 games in that sorry ass league and that's playing for Lyon.

Ronaldo can't even be leading scorer in Serie A and he's this legend. That's how leagues work. Scoring is easy in La Liga.

If Mbappe goes EPL it will be all over for him after the initial hoopala wears off.

People will have moved on to the next prospect/hype.
That's how this hobby works.

Stephan Curry was on top of the hobby just recently already forgotten about.

[Ianhatcher]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Ian, cards are not for you, for sure

nothing youve listed is new and has been going on for 50 years

I'll decide what is for me.

I never said that it was new and was merely pointing out the pitfalls of other hobbies and these things have not been going on for 50 years so yes, in point a fact a lot of these things are fairly new.

I'm sure 50 years ago someone was trimming cards to submit to a PSA or BGS that didn't exist. Ten years after that they were weighing those junk wax packs in the 80's that all weighed the same or making fake cards of Michael Jordan that had just released in 1986. They were also not opening up packs after they got a case hit or autographs or numbered card that didn't exist either.

It's important for people to be aware of these things as they are rampant in other hobbies and I for one am not aware of one fake Ronaldo or Messi rookie but you can bet it's coming. Scandals of trimmed cards getting through PSA/BGS or a Black Labels being given to cards with flaws does happen.

[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by k13

Talking about 5-10 years??

People forget Rooney was was rated higher and more popular than Messi/Ronaldo at a time. No one cares about Rooney now.

Lacazette scored 28 goals in 30 games in that sorry ass league and that's playing for Lyon.

Ronaldo can't even be leading scorer in Serie A and he's this legend. That's how leagues work. Scoring is easy in La Liga.

If Mbappe goes EPL it will be all over for him after the initial hoopala wears off.

People will have moved on to the next prospect/hype.
That's how this hobby works.

Stephan Curry was on top of the hobby just recently already forgotten about.

Nicer cards of rooney are hard to get. Yup people forgot about him, its because of his lack of international trophies. He is regarded as a legend with manchester united. He is still the highest goal scorer for united and england.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by k13

Stephan Curry was on top of the hobby just recently already forgotten about.

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this forgotten player's 2009 TC Refractor PSA 10 sell for $19k two nights ago!

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

I'll decide what is for me.

I never said that it was new and was merely pointing out the pitfalls of other hobbies and these things have not been going on for 50 years so yes, in point a fact a lot of these things are fairly new.

I'm sure 50 years ago someone was trimming cards to submit to a PSA or BGS that didn't exist.

No, they were just trimming to sell raw

Ten years after that they were weighing those junk wax packs in the 80's that all weighed the same or making fake cards of Michael Jordan that had just released in 1986. They were also not opening up packs after they got a case hit or autographs or numbered card that didn't exist either.

No, they were just resealing them

It's important for people to be aware of these things as they are rampant in other hobbies and I for one am not aware of one fake Ronaldo or Messi rookie but you can bet it's coming. Scandals of trimmed cards getting through PSA/BGS or a Black Labels being given to cards with flaws does happen.

thank you for being the spokesperson for the hobby!

[fadster]

Fakes have always been around the last big incident was a couple of years ago from Italy. They faked rookies of Platini, Cruyff, Mike Tyson and Zlatan. I know some of the Platini's and Zlatans got past the graders, unfortunately they might not have had as much exposure to soccer and couldn't spot the bad ones.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=269040
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=14675326
https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...ighlight=fakes

[Ianhatcher]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

thank you for being the spokesperson for the hobby!

Not a problem, I'll be here all week. Wonder if I can change my username to that...Spokesman for the Hobby, I like that but probably too long.

Apples and oranges those examples of what dishonest people were doing back then compared to today. Yes, fraud has always existed in the hobbies not not like it is today and just saying you should accept that or cards are not for you is a laughable statement.

Sad you seems to have a problem with people educating others as to the fraud and dishonest practices in the sports card hobbies that exist today. With so many International collectors they might not be aware of these things.

Got some loose packs you are trying to sell or something?

[Jeff1970Red]

Everything gets faked, it actual makes things a little more interesting imo. If something gets past me, sure I’ll be upset...at myself & then I’ll try to up my game. Thus is life. There are many decent people in this hobby.

[Jeff1970Red]

And that’s a pretty poor trim on the right lower corner, when PSA goes down there are going to be a lot of great cards available at reasonable prices.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

Not a problem, I'll be here all week. Wonder if I can change my username to that...Spokesman for the Hobby, I like that but probably too long.

Apples and oranges those examples of what dishonest people were doing back then compared to today. Yes, fraud has always existed in the hobbies not not like it is today and just saying you should accept that or cards are not for you is a laughable statement.

Sad you seems to have a problem with people educating others as to the fraud and dishonest practices in the sports card hobbies that exist today. With so many International collectors they might not be aware of these things.

Got some loose packs you are trying to sell or something?

Eric has been in the hobby longer than almost anyone here. He is the most versatile and knowledgeable poster on the board. He is a true collector. Never sells anything. He was only pointing out the fallacies in your beliefs.

All that bad stuff you mentioned us already been going on.

People were altering cards before grading companies existed.

People have been messing with packs for decades.

[k13]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this forgotten player's 2009 TC Refractor PSA 10 sell for $19k two nights ago!

Zach Lavine NT /99 sold for $5k+ and his time in the hobby is done. I'm sure top Blake Griffin cards still sell for something does not mean his hype is not over.

Curry cards were fire now its barely $10 for his silver prizm like he's just another star.

Fabianski blue shimmer prizm sold over $100 this week while Mbappe prizm base is only like $50...
Rare/top cards still sell no matter who it is

What were Curry Topps rc base raw at peak to now?

Plus everything in basketball is schilled and manipulated all day. I have lot of friends who sell on ebay who get their cards hit for Bins and sales that never get paid by people who want to pop up fake sales for their own cards.

[Ianhatcher]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Eric has been in the hobby longer than almost anyone here. He is the most versatile and knowledgeable poster on the board. He is a true collector. Never sells anything. He was only pointing out the fallacies in your beliefs.

All that bad stuff you mentioned us already been going on.

People were altering cards before grading companies existed.

People have been messing with packs for decades.

There are no fallacies in what I said.

People DO weigh packs
People DO alter cards
People DO open packs till they get a hit and sell the remaining packs
People DO make fake cards

The fact that a lot of these in one shape or form have been happening for a long time doesn't matter because I never claimed they weren't.

You are arguing a point I never said as I never claimed there were new things that are happening only that people should be aware they exist.

To give an analogy it would be like me saying "Hey, watch walking around in Baltimore in the East/West parts because people get killed over there" and someone's response to that was "Meh, people have been getting killed over there for 50 years".

I'm sure you both have a wealth of knowledge and I too have been collecting for over 30 years but if someone claims I said something I didn't I'm going to correct them.

And of course it was a joke about the loose packs.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by k13

Zach Lavine NT /99 sold for $5k+ and his time in the hobby is done. I'm sure top Blake Griffin cards still sell for something does not mean his hype is not over.

Curry cards were fire now its barely $10 for his silver prizm like he's just another star.

Fabianski blue shimmer prizm sold over $100 this week while Mbappe prizm base is only like $50...
Rare/top cards still sell no matter who it is

What were Curry Topps rc base raw at peak to now?

Plus everything in basketball is schilled and manipulated all day. I have lot of friends who sell on ebay who get their cards hit for Bins and sales that never get paid by people who want to pop up fake sales for their own cards.

I don’t know what the peak was for raw. PSA 10s are now above the 2016 peak. TC PSA 10 are double the spring 2019 prices, and double the 2016 peak prices.

You are too black and white man. Yes, Curry has slumped some in the hobby. Pretty natural when your team falls apart and you played 5 games this year. He still has better hobby value than almost anyone active not named LeBron.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by k13

Zach Lavine NT /99 sold for $5k+ and his time in the hobby is done. I'm sure top Blake Griffin cards still sell for something does not mean his hype is not over.

Curry cards were fire now its barely $10 for his silver prizm like he's just another star.

Fabianski blue shimmer prizm sold over $100 this week while Mbappe prizm base is only like $50...
Rare/top cards still sell no matter who it is

What were Curry Topps rc base raw at peak to now?

Plus everything in basketball is schilled and manipulated all day. I have lot of friends who sell on ebay who get their cards hit for Bins and sales that never get paid by people who want to pop up fake sales for their own cards.

I'll bite. The greatest shooter of all time, completely changed the game, and cemented a massive hobby following. That Curry was a $10k card last year, $6k a couple of years further back. There's some Jordan documentary bump priced in but they are going to be fine . I agree not every promising player delivers and that Mbappe prices are getting ahead of where he is, but those Curry TC refractors are a blue chip commodity in the hobby, no comparison.

[IndySportsCards]

I just sold a Messi Red Mosiac Ref from 2018 World Cup for $35 which 6 month ago I could barely sell for $5, things are picking up

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by IndySportsCards

I just sold a Messi Red Mosiac Ref from 2018 World Cup for $35 which 6 month ago I could barely sell for $5, things are picking up

why wasnt it listed 3 months ago?

[thekiddfan]

Can u bring ur perpetual negativity elsewhere? Almost everything u say in the soccer threads reeks negativity

Curry aint forgotten at all. Check out his earlier year prizm silvers and flawless autos. I sold a psa10 2012 silver for 1k and it was BIN
3 minutes. I probably undersold it. I dont even need to go to his rookie stuff. But your casual "know it all" comment on Curry triggered me

Mbappe being nobody in 5 years? To be fair, no one can predict
But thats as negative as anyone can possibly be dude

And the lame comparison to Rooney? Lacazette? Wow. I would love to go point by point but i dont think it will change your point of view by 1%

Really look forward to see something positive coming out from you for once man. The world is already in a sad situation now :-)

Meanwhile, great thread TS!

Originally Posted by k13

Talking about 5-10 years??

People forget Rooney was was rated higher and more popular than Messi/Ronaldo at a time. No one cares about Rooney now.

Lacazette scored 28 goals in 30 games in that sorry ass league and that's playing for Lyon.

Ronaldo can't even be leading scorer in Serie A and he's this legend. That's how leagues work. Scoring is easy in La Liga.

If Mbappe goes EPL it will be all over for him after the initial hoopala wears off.

People will have moved on to the next prospect/hype.
That's how this hobby works.

Stephan Curry was on top of the hobby just recently already forgotten about.

[IndySportsCards]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

why wasnt it listed 3 months ago?

LOL.. I just found it in a box. I have oodles of Soccer sitting in boxes.