NBA Trade Rumors Thread- I Love this junk

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by jcmel323

Dont know if you guys heard the rumor...
Philly offers nerlens noel, covington and 2 second round picks for millsap (if he agrees for an extension).
AND..
Philly offers Okafor, Ilyasova and a first round pick from this year (probably a 8-11pick) for jimmy butler.

Embiid
Millsap
Saric
Butler
Simmons

I don't think Philly trades their number one pick.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by Ottomatic

In retrospect, I think I agree. Probably should have kept Ibaka. Gay would be a solid option for them. Shouldn't cost a ton, and he's useful.

Yeah I think Gay would be a solid fit, although he is getting on a bit now.

I'm not sure who else could use Dipo. He's very inconsistent.

I also don't think it would be horrible for BOS to go after Milsapp, they have more talent than the Hawks ever had and would improve immediately. He'd probably help Horford also.

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I think OKC should move Dipo. I was never a fan of that trade, completely baffling.

Sactown for Gay would be solid.

I got whip lashes for speaking about how bad this trade was for OKC. Ibaka spread the floor as much as anyone and could defend like the best of players. Sabonis looks like a scrub, even though it's early, and the team is 100% dependent on 1 player doing everything

[chris43]

I'd love to see Anthony Davis end up with the Lakers or Celtics.
I'd also love to see Demarcus Cousins get traded. He's a beast and needs a fresh start.
While we're at it....John Wall to a contender or at least a solid playoff team.

Yes, I'm a huge UK fan.

[Cervantes]

Here's my take on Jimmy Butler.

I read an opinion, or two or three, that there were 10 or so players, most likely, that were better players than Jimmy. I'm pretty good with that. IMO, he's higher than 10, but I can see where there are a handful of players who are better at this moment.

I think, if you're comparing players, you have to take into consideration all of the factors involved.

Here's a few that have been overlooked, imo:

1. His contract. He's the 28th highest player in the league. He signed a team-friendly deal, knowing the cap was going up and the contracts would be inflated. That shows me he wants to be in Chicago.

2. His consistency. He brings it. Every single night. He is the hardest working player on the court, and carries this team on offense, even though he's not supposed to be a very good offense player. That part of his game has improved dramatically, every single year. All of this, when he is guarding the other team's best wing every single night. Do all of the players above him on these lists do that?

3. His leadership. I've read (again) comments about him being a bad teammate, being a problem in the locker room, etc. When we were all killing Rose for not coming back soon enough, and then not coming back at all, and not being vocal, not making his teammates better, and not WINNING games...there was Jimmy, doing it on both ends, as consistently as anyone else in the league, being the man on both ends of the floor for his team. He wanted to be the leader, and that was a problem. I never understood that. We want our best player to be the leader, and to want to be the MAN on the team, right?

4. Jimmy gets rave reviews from his peers around the league, even on the USA team. People see how hard he works, on the court, in the gym, how he prepares. He's committed. IMO, free agents would be a LOT more attracted to that than what we've had to offer in the past few years.

That's where I'm at, right now...I've never felt Jimmy should be moved. I think you build around him. Jimmy's proven a lot of people wrong, and shown that he's still getting better. You cannot get equal value for a player like him, just as you can't for a lot of other players in the league. That's life. Why throw away the best player we've had in years for 1-2 role players and a prospect?

Jimmy may not be a top-tier player, but if not, he's biting at their heels, and I'm happy with that.




QUICK QUESTION: With the current Bulls roster, does Steph Curry have a better record, and does he lead this team further than Jimmy could?

(Asking because of the comments above about the 5 players who could lead this team to the playoffs...)

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by tennelson55

I got whip lashes for speaking about how bad this trade was for OKC. Ibaka spread the floor as much as anyone and could defend like the best of players. Sabonis looks like a scrub, even though it's early, and the team is 100% dependent on 1 player doing everything

Yeah I'm not sure why they thought moving Ibaka was best, maybe they thought they'd re-sign KD and need a scoring guard to match GS?

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I don't think Philly trades their number one pick.

I thought they have multiple first round picks? I could be wrong though.

[Cervantes]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I thought they have multiple first round picks? I could be wrong though.

Sure, if you're Philly, and you have, for example, the 1st and 8th picks, and you can trade Noel, Covington (?), and the number 8, you do it. If you're Chicago, you hang up and have a good laugh.

[Cervantes]

BTW, if Philly gets the number 1 pick, and Ball is the top pick...between him and Simmons, they could make a big trade to bring in an established player, imo.

It could be very fun.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Griffin might be better without cp as well. Unless things really come together for this team by the deadline, I think one of those two main clippers gets traded.

So much could happen between now and the deadline.

You might be right.

Griffin was incredible a couple of seasons ago when Paul was out injured for time. But he was really poor down the stretch in the playoffs, like really bad.

I wonder what they could get for him?

I still think they do nothing, this team was looking great before the injuries, they just can't beat GS, they'd need somebody else to that for them.

[bkcardcollector]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

You might be right.

Griffin was incredible a couple of seasons ago when Paul was out injured for time. But he was really poor down the stretch in the playoffs, like really bad.

I wonder what they could get for him?

I still think they do nothing, this team was looking great before the injuries, they just can't beat GS, they'd need somebody else to that for them.

Nobody is taking Griffin anyways. He is damaged goods and a FA after the year and Clips will be asking a lot to back. Milsap is the more attractive and more gettable rental PF. As far as a Milsap for Griffin trade, that make no sense. They give you the exact same thing and have almost identical contracts. It would be a sideways trade and I don't see why the Clips would mess with chemistry half way through the season. Also Atl is not just trying to "shake it up" the reason they want to trade Milsap is to get rid of expiring contracts for something to move forward with.

Toronto or Sacto might take Grif but the clips would not be getting anything back that could help them this year more than Griffin would. They could probably get something like Tross and Patrick Patterson or Collison and Gay.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by bkcardcollector

Nobody is taking Griffin anyways. He is damaged goods and a FA after the year and Clips will be asking a lot to back. Milsap is the more attractive and more gettable rental PF. As far as a Milsap for Griffin trade, that make no sense. They give you the exact same thing and have almost identical contracts. It would be a sideways trade and I don't see why the Clips would mess with chemistry half way through the season. Also Atl is not just trying to "shake it up" the reason they want to trade Milsap is to get rid of expiring contracts for something to move forward with.

Toronto or Sacto might take Grif but the clips would not be getting anything back that could help them this year more than Griffin would. They could probably get something like Tross and Patrick Patterson or Collison and Gay.

Not that it's gonna happen but do you seriously believe that Millsapp wouldn't enjoy playing alongside Chris Paul?

I disagree that Griffin is damaged goods, he's just had a clean up procedure, he was looking pretty awesome for a guy fresh off last year's injury.

I really only want Griff off the Clips because Chris Paul is amazing in fantasy basketball without him. And they still win.

[drobfan8]

I should add, I forgot Griff was a FA after this season. That changes everything. He wouldn't re-sign with ATL.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

Sure, if you're Philly, and you have, for example, the 1st and 8th picks, and you can trade Noel, Covington (?), and the number 8, you do it. If you're Chicago, you hang up and have a good laugh.

This right here. If it's any pick after the 3rd, there's no way GarPax does it. If it's the number 1 or 2 pick, I don't think Philly does it.

[SteveO21]

With the Hawks dangling Millsap and Sefolosha as trade bait I'd love to see the Pacers acquire Thabo but I'm unsure of what ATL would want. They're trying to get younger and the Pacers don't have assets (that they'd want to trade) that would meet Sefolosha's value. Thabo could be a really valuable piece to a team like the Pacers though, where he could just be relied on to play defense out on the perimeter and let PG get a bit of a break on that end of the court.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Yeah I'm not sure why they thought moving Ibaka was best, maybe they thought they'd re-sign KD and need a scoring guard to match GS?

That trade was made in mind that KD was staying. They even got KD's blessing for it. They felt Dipo would be that 3rd scoring option to lessen the load. I was all for the trade at the time I thought KD was staying.

[Ottomatic]

Wizards probably can't keep both Porter and a PF long term (unless one or both take discounts, unlikely), but Wall/Beal/Porter/Griffin or Milsap/Gortat would be insane.

[avjp87]

noel, two first rd picks for mccollum

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by avjp87

noel, two first rd picks for mccollum

I think that's way too much for a volume scorer.

[Steveefranchise]

If this were to happen I think it would make the original Oladipo/Ibaka trade a top-10 in modern league history. Imo it was already lopsided for the Thunder - short term flipping Milsap for Sabonis would make it even more so.

Originally Posted by sportzluvr1

I eat this stuff up

-All the speculation of big trades that usually never happen.

-Finding out which front offices really believe their team has the nuts to compete with the big boys in the post-season and teams who are just good enough to not have a shot at a deep run or lottery pick and therefore have to make a move to tip the scales either way (Atlanta, I'm looking at you).



One big proposal: If I'm the Thunder, I'm seeing if I can dangle Sabonis out there in front of the Hawks as the centerpiece for a Millsap trade. Now I wouldn't give up much more than that, as I believe Sabonis is going to be a real player for a long time, but it looks like that's about what it's going to take for the Hawks to give him up.
For OKC, a starting 5 of Westbrook-Oladipo-roberson-Millsap-Adams can do some things in the playoffs. Aside from shooting, he's exactly what they need as a big that can add some scoring at the 4. And if you're Atlanta, you've already indicated you're going more toward the rebuilding stages rather than trying to compete. With Schroeder, Prince, Sabonis, and the high pick they bring in next year, you have a solid core of young, skilled players that can help guide the organization toward the future. Hey, maybe they're taking the ole' Magic model when they made Dwight the nucleus of the offense and put pieces around him?

What moves do you guys want to see happen?

[Steveefranchise]

+1 vote to all. Even though the chances of the first happening are nonexistent. Bill Simmons wrote a good take on it awhile back. Any team in the league would trade any player for Davis except the Bucks for the Greek. Pelicans are well aware what they have there and won't move him for anything. Sucks for all of us but it's true.

Originally Posted by chris43

I'd love to see Anthony Davis end up with the Lakers or Celtics.
I'd also love to see Demarcus Cousins get traded. He's a beast and needs a fresh start.
While we're at it....John Wall to a contender or at least a solid playoff team.

Yes, I'm a huge UK fan.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

Here's my take on Jimmy Butler.

I read an opinion, or two or three, that there were 10 or so players, most likely, that were better players than Jimmy. I'm pretty good with that. IMO, he's higher than 10, but I can see where there are a handful of players who are better at this moment.

I think, if you're comparing players, you have to take into consideration all of the factors involved.

Here's a few that have been overlooked, imo:

1. His contract. He's the 28th highest player in the league. He signed a team-friendly deal, knowing the cap was going up and the contracts would be inflated. That shows me he wants to be in Chicago.

2. His consistency. He brings it. Every single night. He is the hardest working player on the court, and carries this team on offense, even though he's not supposed to be a very good offense player. That part of his game has improved dramatically, every single year. All of this, when he is guarding the other team's best wing every single night. Do all of the players above him on these lists do that?

3. His leadership. I've read (again) comments about him being a bad teammate, being a problem in the locker room, etc. When we were all killing Rose for not coming back soon enough, and then not coming back at all, and not being vocal, not making his teammates better, and not WINNING games...there was Jimmy, doing it on both ends, as consistently as anyone else in the league, being the man on both ends of the floor for his team. He wanted to be the leader, and that was a problem. I never understood that. We want our best player to be the leader, and to want to be the MAN on the team, right?

4. Jimmy gets rave reviews from his peers around the league, even on the USA team. People see how hard he works, on the court, in the gym, how he prepares. He's committed. IMO, free agents would be a LOT more attracted to that than what we've had to offer in the past few years.

That's where I'm at, right now...I've never felt Jimmy should be moved. I think you build around him. Jimmy's proven a lot of people wrong, and shown that he's still getting better. You cannot get equal value for a player like him, just as you can't for a lot of other players in the league. That's life. Why throw away the best player we've had in years for 1-2 role players and a prospect?

Jimmy may not be a top-tier player, but if not, he's biting at their heels, and I'm happy with that.




QUICK QUESTION: With the current Bulls roster, does Steph Curry have a better record, and does he lead this team further than Jimmy could?

(Asking because of the comments above about the 5 players who could lead this team to the playoffs...)

Just found this interesting.

"Unfortunately for Butler, a little known provision in the CBA left him unable to pursue a shorter contract in restricted agency. That's because the Bulls gave Butler the max qualifying offer, making it mandatory any offer sheet from another team might be at least three years"

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/1...ee-agency-2015

[Andy5]

Adrian Wojnarowski
‏@WojVerticalNBA
Sources: Atlanta GM Wes Wilcox has started informing teams today that Paul Millsap is no longer on the trade market.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Andy5

Adrian Wojnarowski
‏@WojVerticalNBA
Sources: Atlanta GM Wes Wilcox has started informing teams today that Paul Millsap is no longer on the trade market.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 8m8 minutes ago
For now, the Hawks are determined to compete in the Eastern Conference and Millsap decision signals a shift away from unloading assets.

[Andy5]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 8m8 minutes ago
For now, the Hawks are determined to compete in the Eastern Conference and Millsap decision signals a shift away from unloading assets.

Funny how they want to compete when they just helped the best team in the conference get better.