Sketchy things going on during Layton Sports Cards Basketball Breaks???

[mcgahee21nfl]

Originally Posted by LSC

We had no choice but to negate the trade.

No. You did have another choice.. which people have pointed out in multiple posts prior to your post. Compensate Orin W and keep the trade as it was confirmed.

Originally Posted by LSC

What I do not understand is how people think that LSC was up to something.

You keep trying to spin it this way, but people here aren't stupid. They aren't saying that you are up to something. How many people in this thread or elsewhere have said that you are up to something?

It is pretty clear that you are being questioned for cancelling a deal that was confirmed. As a responsible business you should take the loss in this scenario.. Granted, all of this is only clear if you are willing to read what is actually being written. What you've stated is categorically false.

[Steveefranchise]

Great job by LSC in handling the resolution. Sucks things like that happen but LSC made the right move.

[LALeakers]

MAN, cards make people so sketchy....

[bpurnama32]

I am sure about LSC & Rich 100%. A regular customer myself, I am sure people with good integrity will be a gentlemen whether you got hits or not. True what Rich said that LSC gain NOTHING from it. They got sales either way (whoever it is that got the cards, it doesnt matter), but to compensate beyond 'normal', that's ridiculously generous.

I am sure I have more than 10 members from Indonesia (with probably more than hundreds of thousands of dollars spent) that can testify about LSC and its fairness.

I hope you can resolve it soonest, Rich.

Originally Posted by LSC

Just so everyone is aware we have done nothing but try to cooperate with both sides of this for almost a week now to come to a resolution. The "blogger" has become unreasonable and inconsolable. They have called us names and attempted to drag our name and Orin's name through the mud on a social media tirade. The situation was a horrible one to say the least. In over 4 years of business we have never had this big of a problem with something like this. We have no reason to believe that Orin would have made a fake name to make the trade only to back out of it after the break. We could not prove one way or the other. The trade seemed fishy in the first place. If it were me, Rich Layton, breaking I would have caught it. Pistons for Sixers in an Immaculate Case & Flawless Box Mixer would have seemed very odd to me and I would have asked about it. However my 20 year old nephew Brad was breaking on this evening and he was simply going by what he thought was a trade made by "Orin W".

We had no choice but to negate the trade. There was foul play involved on some level and we had no concrete evidence to prove that it was or was not Orin himself other than the fact that is usual user name that he used in the chat was not "Orin W." The pistons original owner, "the blogger", got multiple hits in the break, plus a full refund of over $160 plus a free box of 15-16 Gala NBA. The sixers owner got their card which included a @$400 dual auto of kat/okafor from immaculate and I believe an Iverson auto.

What I do not understand is how people think that LSC was up to something. Why would we do this? What do we have to gain from this? The "blogger" was actually a very good customer of ours and spent alot of money with us which we went to great lengths to make them happy up until this one particular day apparently. Orin did not spend even close to as much money with us as did the "blogger". We had never met Orin or even spoken to him before this day the "trade" took place. We can prove all of this 100% to the letter. It is sad that we should even have to. The only people who have ever questioned our integrity ar ethose with the intent on taking us out or ruining our business. No one with a legitamite gripe has ever come to us with an issue and left without it being resolved or with us at least trying our best to make them happy. We have also tried on many many levels and instances to reach out to this "blogger" to come to a resolution EVEN BEYOND what we have already done for them in order to get them to stop trying to defame our name, but to no avail. On a side note, every single person that has had negative things to say about us pretaining to this or anything else has been welcomed to reach out to us to talk about it. We have not been contacted once from any of them. The only people we have been in contact with about this are the two parties involved.

I stand by our decision to do what we thought was right. If someone logged in under your name unknowingly and made a trade without your permission, what would you do? Just take it? Oh well I guess thats what happens? No. You would reach out to us and explain what you thought was foul play and expect us to negate the trade or try to come to some sort of resolution. Which is exactly what we did. We have since changed our policies to prevent this from ever happening again. We always used a sort of honor system when making trades but that has now been ruined. We have pleased thousands of customers over our time in business. We have always prided ourselves on being 100% honest with everyone and always willing to go above and beyond for our customers whenever they have an issue. Almost to a fault. This issue has been exhausting on myself and my family. We have spent so much time, energy and emotion dealing with this only to have people jump to conclusions without even seeing the facts. We will continue to bring nothing but the best in online breaks and customer service to the industry. We have nothing but love for everyone in our hobby.

Thanks
Rich Layton

[bowlinbob]

CollectiblesFourMySons: Response to Blowout Card Forums

ZiggySportsCards reached out to me on twitter and said this is his response to LSC.. Houdini if this is not allowed please send me an IM and it won't happen again..

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by bowlinbob

CollectiblesFourMySons: Response to Blowout Card Forums

ZiggySportsCards reached out to me on twitter and said this is his response to LSC.. Houdini if this is not allowed please send me an IM and it won't happen again..

After reading that, I can 100% say without a doubt I would never do another break with Layton.
Why did Layton claim he went out of the way to take care of someone when he didn't? Seems like a shady character to me.

[BlueSunday1287]

So if I make a trade and lose out on some nice cards, I can create a fake screen name and pretend I didn't make the trade?! What a joke. Orin fella is a turd.

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by LSC

What I do not understand is how people think that LSC was up to something. Why would we do this? What do we have to gain from this?

No dog in the fight but I can't tell you how MANY times I have seen this line by people who ended up being guilty as charged.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

What a huge mess.

[WaiverWire]

Hey Rich Layton, did you actually send the OP a box of gala or were you just saying you did? Like, was it an invisible box of Gala? Surely you have an email you could post so you don't look like you are making this up?

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by mcgahee21nfl

No. You did have another choice.. which people have pointed out in multiple posts prior to your post. Compensate Orin W and keep the trade as it was confirmed.



You keep trying to spin it this way, but people here aren't stupid. They aren't saying that you are up to something. How many people in this thread or elsewhere have said that you are up to something?

It is pretty clear that you are being questioned for cancelling a deal that was confirmed. As a responsible business you should take the loss in this scenario.. Granted, all of this is only clear if you are willing to read what is actually being written. What you've stated is categorically false.

Title of the thread states otherwise, does it not?

They did take the loss. He gave the Pistons buyer a full refund, all the Piston's hits, and another box of product. What else would you like them to do to "take the loss"?

No matter what decision is made someone isn't happy. LSC made an adjustment to their trading to try and avoid this in the future.

[Kobe101]

I have no dog in the race and don't do group breaks but it seems like the LCS makes good money doing group breaks....

With that being said I don't think they would do something stupid to jeopardize their reputation but just cancelling the trade based off only hearing the one side of the story probably wasn't the smartest move...

The reality is most "collectors" are greedy and sooner or later someone is going to be upset about something.

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by indyguy

Title of the thread states otherwise, does it not?

They did take the loss. He gave the Pistons buyer a full refund, all the Piston's hits, and another box of product. What else would you like them to do to "take the loss"?

No matter what decision is made someone isn't happy. LSC made an adjustment to their trading to try and avoid this in the future.

Actually that was a lie, he didn't take care of the Pistons buyer like he stated.
Go back and read the link someone provided above to the Pistons buyer's response to that claim.

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

Actually that was a lie, he didn't take care of the Pistons buyer like he stated.
Go back and read the link someone provided above to the Pistons buyer's response to that claim.

I'll take Rich's word over ziggy's and leave it at that.

[WaiverWire]

Originally Posted by indyguy

I'll take Rich's word over ziggy's and leave it at that.

I believe you Indyguy. I also believe
Barry Bonds
OJ Simpson
Lance Armstrong &
Wells Fargo

[RandyB]

Hopefully this mess sets a precedent for group break trade procedure in the future. I join a lot of group breaks and never trade, luckily. I always thought the way trades were made and verified were way too simplistic. Anyone can start a fake account and either troll or claim trolling. I have broken many times with LSC in the past. I have never had any problems with them. I must admit however, that after reading both sides of the story, I am somewhat disappointed in the way the situation was handled. I do believe that Rich did what he thought was best, but that does not mean he did the right thing. In my opinion, he should have immediately corresponded with both parties, in an attempt to come to a fair and agreed upon conclusion. Hind sight is 20/20. What I do believe, having broken with LSC plenty of times, is that Rich is a stand-up guy. We all have slip-ups once in awhile. The fact that the blogger has a screenshot of LSC verifying the trade, is proof that a trade was confirmed. The timing of OW in the house entering the room shortly after the random of the dual auto, asking questions he already knew the answers to, certainly raises suspicion. I also find it hard to believe that someone would go out of their way to troll Orin, in an attempt to trade away his premium team. Wouldn't this troll run the risk of Orin being in the room at the same time, especially considering it was a break Orin bought into? Then, ironically, OW in the house pops up out of nowhere shortly after the KAT random. Again, this would raise suspicion to anyone, especially the person who acquired the Sixers in the trade. Like I stated, I don't think Rich was sketchy at all. I do believe he tried to do the right thing, though I disagree with how he did it. The blogger is the innocent victim in this. Orin is either an innocent victim as well, or the complete opposite. Unfortunately, we will probably never know. If any good has come of this, it is that Rich can now set a proper protocol in reguards to trades... something which will benefit both breakers and their customers for years to come!

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by WaiverWire

I believe you Indyguy. I also believe
Barry Bonds
OJ Simpson
Lance Armstrong &
Wells Fargo

Ha, fair enough!

None of us really know though. Not even the people involved!

[jbarnett83]

Wish Ziggy would have videotaped the opening of his package from Layton. We will never know for sure what was sent and who is telling the truth. I feel bad for both sides (but not for Orin shady @$$). From the story being told I feel the breaker could've handled this better by either selling all pistons/76ers hits and dividing the profits or maybe refunding Orin instead of Ziggy...

[bowlinbob]

Originally Posted by indyguy

Title of the thread states otherwise, does it not?

They did take the loss. He gave the Pistons buyer a full refund, all the Piston's hits, and another box of product. What else would you like them to do to "take the loss"?

No matter what decision is made someone isn't happy. LSC made an adjustment to their trading to try and avoid this in the future.

I titled the thread.. What Orin did was shady and it was in a Basketball Break at Layton Sports Cards.. Seems like it's cut and dry..

[TWard]

Well damn. This is gonna get good...


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[jcardstore]

I think we can all agree that Orin is the real problem here.

[Jin]

I don't know what to believe anymore, I'm going back and forth

[RandyB]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I think we can all agree that Orin is the real problem here.

IMO, there's not enough factual evidence to incriminate anyone involved.

[Orangejello727]

Its true someone has to eat the loss here. Unfortunately the person eating the loss is ziggy. It should be Layton. The trade took place. The trade was confirmed by the breaker. Deal is done. You can't just go back on it after confirmation and breaking the product. Those cards belong to ziggy. Now if Orin claims he never made that trade and someone acting to be him did, that still falls on layton for their error in judgement by confirming the trade.

What should have been done was the cards still end up with ziggy. Orin and Layton figure out compensation for the error on the part of the breaker.

[WE_GOT_THAT_TOO]

This right here!!!

Trade was made - done!

What happens afterwards to settle the "hacking" situation needs to be resolved separately.

Issue is Layton treated the situation as one instead of dealing with them as two individual issues. Even then I don't think he made the right decision.

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Its true someone has to eat the loss here. Unfortunately the person eating the loss is ziggy. It should be Layton. The trade took place. The trade was confirmed by the breaker. Deal is done. You can't just go back on it after confirmation and breaking the product. Those cards belong to ziggy. Now if Orin claims he never made that trade and someone acting to be him did, that still falls on layton for their error in judgement by confirming the trade.

What should have been done was the cards still end up with ziggy. Orin and Layton figure out compensation for the error on the part of the breaker.