Topps Living Set

[tdubs1010]

is anyone grading these with PSA, if so I will buy a Votto 10 for sure, just let me know!

[RaysUp]

Two errors on back of Votto...

Past year was 106 runs not 162 and .997 fielding % not .977.

Didn't check Bote or Story.

[astrotrevor]

Degrom: 5302
Robles: 6104
Lowrie: 4348

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by astrotrevor

Degrom: 5302
Robles: 6104
Lowrie: 4348

Another top 10 lowest PR.

The popularity of this set might be waning just a bit.

[mokena]

The Votto card looks so good. Really great picture

[bigsmooth]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Another top 10 lowest PR.

The popularity of this set might be waning just a bit.

That or more pre-sellers are dropping out?

[astrotrevor]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Another top 10 lowest PR.

The popularity of this set might be waning just a bit.

Hopefully just bulk orders decreasing. I think the set is still attracting set builders.

[mlbexpert]

Originally Posted by astrotrevor

Hopefully just bulk orders decreasing. I think the set is still attracting set builders.

This is me. Cut back from 3 sets a week to 1 set a week for PC.
Will get all previous cards graded and try to make some $$ back next year (hoping more people get into LS).

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Originally Posted by mlbexpert

This is me. Cut back from 3 sets a week to 1 set a week for PC.
Will get all previous cards graded and try to make some $$ back next year (hoping more people get into LS).

I am still at 3 sets a week and may stick it out until at least 100, after that I am not sure what I will do.

[epatmythes]

Well, I bought a 10 pack of Bote today. First time I've bought more than a 5 pack of anybody. Go Cubs Go!

On a related note. Am I losing my mind... I thought a 5 pack used to be cheaper than $27.99. That is what I was going to buy, but I bought the 10 pack because the value seemed better at $44.99. I've only bought a few 5 packs this year (Judge, Hoskins, Ohtani, Sandberg & Clemente), outside of the weekly set bundle, but I could swear they used to be $24.99 ($5 a card vs. $4.50 per 10 pack).

[mlbexpert]

Originally Posted by mlbexpert

Cheapest options via bulk ordering:
$3.75/card @ 20 cards individually
$4.50/card @ 10 cards individually

$5/card (if ordered as part of 3 card bundle)

$5.60/card @ 5 card individually

So either buy the bundle, 10 cards or 20 cards to get a decent discount.

I think the prices are the same. This was the breakdown i did when they first launched.

[Rhys Phillies]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Another top 10 lowest PR.

The popularity of this set might be waning just a bit.

They sold 15k cards for the week. Compare that to other weeks. If it prints like week 2, then the popularity has fallen off. 4300 is a lower print. A nice SP.

[Rhys Phillies]

Lowrie already selling for 14.99 and 19.99. Jake just sold out 15 cards@ 19.99.

[jdandns]

So Jed Lowrie has the lowest PR since way back at #15 with AJ Pollock (4221).
This knocks last week's Avisail Garcia out of the top ten to number 11.
Victor Robles is the highest printed rookie since #53 Buehler (whose values could take a jump with a sharp outing tonight versus Colorado. All 4 active Living Set Dodgers just had a great week).

[VinnyH]

Originally Posted by astrotrevor

Degrom: 5302
Robles: 6104
Lowrie: 4348

Happy to get 20 Robles, lowest pr of a 5-tool LS rookie. He should be starting next year when Harper leaves.

Fingers crossed,
Vinny

[Fsegaud]

Originally Posted by VinnyH

Happy to get 20 Robles, lowest pr of a 5-tool LS rookie. He should be starting next year when Harper leaves.

Fingers crossed,
Vinny

Robles doesn't seem to get much love for being a top prospect that hasn't had much of a chance. Make or break next year?

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by mlbexpert

This is me. Cut back from 3 sets a week to 1 set a week for PC.
Will get all previous cards graded and try to make some $$ back next year (hoping more people get into LS).

Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

I am still at 3 sets a week and may stick it out until at least 100, after that I am not sure what I will do.

I'm currently at 3 a week as well. I went heavy early ...20-25 of the first 7 and cut it down to 15 for 8-24. And did 5 of 25-59 and 3 60-now... likely to 99 and might go down to 2 from 100 on

Once I saw the big sets weren't selling nearly as well as weeks 1-5 indiviually... figured I didn't need 10 extra of weeks 9 on up

[BH34]

Originally Posted by astrotrevor

Degrom: 5302
Robles: 6104
Lowrie: 4348

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Another top 10 lowest PR.

The popularity of this set might be waning just a bit.

Originally Posted by bigsmooth

That or more pre-sellers are dropping out?

Originally Posted by astrotrevor

Hopefully just bulk orders decreasing. I think the set is still attracting set builders.

Originally Posted by Rhys Phillies

Lowrie already selling for 14.99 and 19.99. Jake just sold out 15 cards@ 19.99.

Is it just me, or does the path of TLS feel like it's running similarly with Topps Now?
What I'm referring to, is the SP chasing, and the idea/perspective of the 'detractors' of TN who say that a low print run should not (though it could) lead to higher prices, kinda applies to TLS also.

When a TN card PR is released, and it is "surprisingly" low, all the available copies on ebay are gobbled up, and the prices increase. The 'flippers' for TN are fewer than TLS (for now), so those who bought the low PR TN cards can price them high, with little/no undercutting, and hope for a few nibbles.
With TLS, it feels like the same thing is beginning to happen, doesn't it?
(A low PR isn't indicative of value, it's indicative of the interest for that card.)

Except there is a big difference between a PR of 100 being low, and a PR of 4000 being 'low'. My prediction is that though Lowrie's prices are high right now, they will still settle under $10 once people have them in hand, and the big buyers sell off the non-gems, etc.

I think the set builders are in, meaning they are buying weekly, and are 'pot committed' for the most part.
The new set builders, and new semi/partial collectors of the set all have an abundance of options for purchase, both for past, present, and future TLS offerings.
I think the high ROI investment portion of TLS is over, with the exceptions of 'scrubs' who become major stars, again a card driven by performance and not simply because of whatever the PR may have been (though that will be a factor in where the price settles).

To mwheelers point, I agree.
But again, I think we need to first recognize the various ways 'popularity' can be defined --
-Defined by print run? Yes, you can't dispute the numbers.
-Defined by actual total amount of collectors and overall visibility? This one is tougher.
-Defined by collector sentiment? Anecdotal, but based on the lineup selections, and lack of posts both here and fb, I'd say yes for this one also.

It's difficult to do, but to those who love TLS, it shouldn't be about the ROI, though it's hard to dispute that it was nice while it lasted.
TLS, so far, is living up to what it promised to be.
That's enough for me.

[mwheeler27]

I believe raw cards of all of these will be plentiful for a long time.

I also believe there are a ton of these back-logged in grading right now. As minimum grades aren't met, more raw examples will surface, and prices will stay low, and in some cases, go lower.

A graded set will be where it's at, in my opinion. And too, that will be plentiful.

[ToppsNowFan]

I cannot wait until we hit the sub 4000 and maybe even 3000 level cc's during the off season... I think that is when things start getting good again, to be honest...

[TwinsJake]

Originally Posted by ToppsNowFan

I cannot wait until we hit the sub 4000 and maybe even 3000 level cc's during the off season... I think that is when things start getting good again, to be honest...

What I was thinking. How about the print run Christmas week when no one is thinking about MLB as much, the 3 other other major sports will be going. Really makes you wonder what that sort of scenario could do.


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[ToppsNowFan]

Originally Posted by TwinsJake

What I was thinking. How about the print run Christmas week when no one is thinking about MLB as much, the 3 other other major sports will be going. Really makes you wonder what that sort of scenario could do.


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Yes Sir EEEEE

You know there is going to be that one week where it goes LOWWWWWW

[Monty]

Originally Posted by TwinsJake

What I was thinking. How about the print run Christmas week when no one is thinking about MLB as much, the 3 other other major sports will be going. Really makes you wonder what that sort of scenario could do.


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Originally Posted by ToppsNowFan

Yes Sir EEEEE

You know there is going to be that one week where it goes LOWWWWWW

I would imagine that Topps has a plan for those weeks. Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, etc.

[ToppsNowFan]

Originally Posted by Monty

I would imagine that Topps has a plan for those weeks. Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, etc.

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face...

I always loved that Mike Tyson quote haha

I don't think Topps will get punched in the face, per se, and I actually think a few low count weeks would benefit them... What I am thinking though is that they may have that plan, BUT, they still have to get the traffic to the site during those down times in the offseason... That is a lot harder to do on January 6th with no Awards being announced, and no winter meetings going on, than during the season or right after it... If their 3rd weaker card each week consistently hit 4500-5K range I would be VERY surprised...

Will be interesting to say the least.

[Lawmaker]

Do they offer the Living Set when the baseball season is over?

Blanking...........