Fernando Tatis Jr Suspended 80 Games

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Silent George

You know, it occurs to me that Tatis is young enough he can be the bizzaro Bonds, where there will be a segment who says he was a hall of famer AFTER he got clean.

I really, really, really doubt that guys who get popped just stop cheating afterwards.

[NHRonin]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Many Tatis card stash holders are still in the denial phase, and the conspiracies help to ease their grief. Perhaps the test was a false positive and maybe he really was just a victim of ringworm cream. He'll come back stronger than ever and prove he is a hall of famer without PED use. His cards will be more popular than ever when he leads the Padres to the World Series next year and he is league and WS MVP. This stage may last for days, weeks, and some cases months.

Then, with the change of seasons, they start getting short-tempered and angry. Maybe the Padres choke and miss the playoffs again, and they even start to blame Tatis. Their responses on the message boards become more terse and saltier than ever. They start accusing people of being jealous for missing the boat and claim they still can't win any Tatis auctions, no matter how high they bid.

Now early winter comes, and the season is long over. The Dodgers have won yet again, and Tatis bois start to develop self-doubt. It's been four months since Tatis tested positive and they start wishing that Santa Claus brings Tatis a new brain and new shoulder. They promise not to overpay for Tatis cards ever again as long as the hobby gives him a second chance and forgives his youthful stupidity. They swear to stop bidding on his stuff on ebay as long as they can recover even 50% of their losses.

Then enters the cold dark heart of winter. Tatis bois are watching their stashes gather dust while others are making BANK on their Mahomes, Herberts and Bradys. 2022 Topps chrome baseball is finally out and everyone is having a great time participating in their breaks and pulling Jrods and Witts left and right, while Tatis bois are staring at week old you tube video reruns of the jumbo case last week that yielded a gold Wander refractor auto and a Torkelson red auto, while tightly grasping their empty pant pockets, with not even a coin to spare.

Finally, acceptance that they are flat out of hope. They go to the local show and trade their remaining Tatis stash for a sealed box of 2021 Topps Big League baseball, hoping to pull at least an Ohtani parallel card, but ending up with a Dodger stadium ssp card instead. Dusting off their Mcdonald's uniform, they get ready to return to work, having hoped to have retired off their Tatis stash by now. They sigh as they read in the headlines that Tatis has tested positive yet again, and are glad that they were able to at least have dumped their stash for a 2021 Topps Big League baseball hobby box at a trade value below srp.

They think about the thousands, no tens of thousands, they could have cashed out at back in 2021, but then the sound of the fryer and the smell of the Big Mac special sauce brings them back to reality, and they swear off cards forever, that is, until the MLB Fanatics Mcdonalds packs shipment arrives through the back deliver door in 2026, fueling the moon boi dreams again......

Feel better now?

[BigL7370]

Originally Posted by rman112

I really, really, really doubt that guys who get popped just stop cheating afterwards.

It’s all good as long as they play well but don’t trip up anymore tests.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by rman112

I really, really, really doubt that guys who get popped just stop cheating afterwards.

Unless you have proof then all you have is an assumption which is worthless.

There's a reason we don't see many repeat offenders since testing rules were put in place.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by BigL7370

Why do you hate Tatis Jr. so much? Did he steal your mom or something?

In the public eye, yes.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Unless you have proof then all you have is an assumption which is worthless.

There's a reason we don't see many repeat offenders since testing rules were put in place.

That's the same line of thinking that says only players that test positive are taking PED's.

[cardsin47]

Ok….. it might be a dumb question to most here, but I don’t know what I don’t know.

If taking steroids ( test detectable) increases testosterone….. why not just take testosterone? ( undetectable? )

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by seanbros55

Umm….

Amazing how some players increase size and the amount of power but because they are not classified as users the same argument for performance enhanced is thrown out? 37 and 38 years of age he becomes a solid home run hitter, other players would be scrutinized for such a increase !

Performance enhanced, ummmmmm.

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

Ok….. it might be a dumb question to most here, but I don’t know what I don’t know.

If taking steroids ( test detectable) increases testosterone….. why not just take testosterone? ( undetectable )

Testosterone is very detectable and the first signal to PED use. It's about the levels of testosterone present and the amounts relative to other hormones. There are limits to how much testosterone can naturally be present in the human body.

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Testosterone is very detectable and the first signal to PED use. It's about the levels of testosterone present and the amounts relative to other hormones. There are limits to how much testosterone can naturally be present in the human body.

Nope- the real answer is that carbon 13 isotopes are present in different ratios in synthetic vs. natural testosterone. If enough synthetic testosterone is present in the sample, the test can detect that the C13 ratios are off.

They might also test for relative amount, but that can vary in people naturally. Some people just make more testosterone compared to others. So the only way to nail someone on amount present is to have already done a baseline test (pro cycling does this with their "biological passports").

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by JoshMN

Nope- the real answer is that carbon 13 isotopes are present in different ratios in synthetic vs. natural testosterone. If enough synthetic testosterone is present in the sample, the test can detect that the C13 ratios are off.

They might also test for relative amount, but that can vary in people naturally. Some people just make more testosterone compared to others. So the only way to nail someone on amount present is to have already done a baseline test (pro cycling does this with their "biological passports").

I am on Testosterone to supplement low-T levels found by a Urologist - give myself a shot in the thigh once a week. Are you saying that a test could verify I’m taking these shots / increasing my T levels with real pharmaceutical T?

Before you answer — do we still hate each other from an exchange back and forth in another Thread from last week? — I just can’t remember

I do it all the time - I really only hate closca2323 ( he started it ) — and sometimes I’ll respond to something he said and then realize “wait a minute - I’m supposed to hate that guy!”

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

I am on Testosterone to supplement low-T levels found by a Urologist - give myself a shot in the thigh once a week. Are you saying that a test could verify I’m taking these shots / increasing my T levels with real pharmaceutical T?

Before you answer — do we still hate each other from an exchange back and forth in another Thread from last week? — I just can’t remember

Haha- I don't hate anybody unless they are true a-holes and make it really personal (and I don't think that you qualify). Any arguing I do on these boards is good-natured.

But yeah- if the level of the synthetic T is high enough it can be detected regardless of whether your actual T level is off.

[Randallk34]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

Ok….. it might be a dumb question to most here, but I don’t know what I don’t know.

If taking steroids ( test detectable) increases testosterone….. why not just take testosterone? ( undetectable? )

This looks like a question for Frank Thomas. He not only did roids but is also now pushing testosterone pills

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by Randallk34

This looks like a question for Frank Thomas. He not only did roids but is also now pushing testosterone pills

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[sportzluvr1]

"And she'll like it too"

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by Randallk34

This looks like a question for Frank Thomas. He not only did roids but is also now pushing testosterone pills

Know I shouldn't give any credence to anything you say, but Frank Thomas is at the very top of the list of guys who did NOT take steroids. He was an outspoken advocate for increased testing. He put up all those amazing numbers clean.

[Randallk34]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Know I shouldn't give any credence to anything you say, but Frank Thomas is at the very top of the list of guys who did NOT take steroids. He was an outspoken advocate for increased testing. He put up all those amazing numbers clean.

I know I should treat everything you say like a wet fart but maybe Thomas was clean, his era of cheaters though puts him in the conversation. Sorry just a reality, i don't believe any of these guys, none of them.

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by Randallk34

I know I should treat everything you say like a wet fart but maybe Thomas was clean, his era of cheaters though puts him in the conversation. Sorry just a reality, i don't believe any of these guys, none of them.

So every player took steroids in your book because its impossible to prove something didn't happen? Wonderful logic.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

So every player took steroids in your book because its impossible to prove something didn't happen? Wonderful logic.

You can't prove there weren't alien ghosts at the first thanksgiving.

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by JRX

You can't prove there weren't alien ghosts at the first thanksgiving.

Hell, I can't even prove there weren't alien ghosts at my family Thanksgiving last year!

BTW that's a wonderful example that I will be using going forward to explain this logical fallacy.

[Silent George]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Hell, I can't even prove there weren't alien ghosts at my family Thanksgiving last year!

BTW that's a wonderful example that I will be using going forward to explain this logical fallacy.

I'm fine with the logic of not being able to prove it, yeah, I don't KNOW Griffey wasn't a roider. fine.

I'm not fine with the because it can't be proven we must assume guilt. That crosses an ethical boundary for me.

[johnlocke36]

I think when trying to guess how many people have taken or are taking steroids people fail to accurately assess the pros and cons of taking them.

Cons: people on blowout and twitter may get upset at me
Pros: make 300 million dollars

[pewe]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

I think when trying to guess how many people have taken or are taking steroids people fail to accurately assess the pros and cons of taking them.

Cons: people on blowout and twitter may get upset at me
Pros: make 300 million dollars

What portion of players will make $300MM after taking roids?

What portion of roid users will get caught before making a big pay day? How much earnings will they pass up because their price tanks and they aren't able to work in their favorite sport after retiring?

[JRX]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Hell, I can't even prove there weren't alien ghosts at my family Thanksgiving last year!

BTW that's a wonderful example that I will be using going forward to explain this logical fallacy.

All credit goes to South Park. I believe they were mocking History Channel's ancient aliens at the time, but the logic works in many scenarios.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

So every player took steroids in your book because its impossible to prove something didn't happen? Wonderful logic.

Ok, but here's the problem. And I'm not talking about Thomas or any specific player. You are then pretty much saying the opposite, right? That a cheating player is one that gets suspended for PED's. That's ludicrous.

I count 15 PED suspensions from 2021 and 2022. That's what, a little less than 1.5% of the league during that time? So are those all the players using PED's? And hell, only a few of those 15 are bonafide big leaguers (Tatis, Laureano, Carlos Martinez .. I'll even give you JC Mejia).