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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by irfuji

Can a someone please explain what he meant?

Trump PTSD comments spark emotional debate

As a veteran and someone whose seen a lot of friends come back from combat vastly different I find his comment about people not being able to handle it rather offensive and insensitive.

Journalism ...

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[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Journalism ...



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The headlines seem like an accurate portrayal of what he suggested. Of course, with Trump, he never comes right out and says much of anything. Just a lot of implication. What do you think he meant when he said "military members see the same things you see all the time," followed by "but you're strong, you can handle it... A lot of people can't handle it"... When fielding a question about PTSD?

Note: on phone, don't have the direct quotes in front of me as I type this.


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[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Journalism ...

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Total objectivity there.

Everything is just an attempt to get clicks and ad revenue. Truth be damned.

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

The headlines seem like an accurate portrayal of what he suggested. Of course, with Trump, he never comes right out and says much of anything. Just a lot of implication. What do you think he meant when he said "military members see the same things you see all the time," followed by "but you're strong, you can handle it... A lot of people can't handle it"... When fielding a question about PTSD?

Note: on phone, don't have the direct quotes in front of me as I type this.


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I can see you are the target audience of the headlines. Sigh.

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

I can see you are the target audience of the headlines. Sigh.

Okay, I'll pose the same question to you: what do you think he meant?

Watching his response on video, with no headlines, my response was the same as those headlines: did he really just say that?!


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[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

Okay, I'll pose the same question to you: what do you think he meant?

Watching his response on video, with no headlines, my response was the same as those headlines: did he really just say that?!


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He meant what he said. There are some soldiers that are able to compartmentalize the things they see on the battlefield and function as a normal civilian. Some are not as mentally strong. It's 100% true.

I am hesitant to defend Donald because I think he is an abhorrent individual. However it is necessary to defend him from the, as per the norm,unbelievable media bias.

[trixstar]

It's impossible to decipher what he meant because this is how he talks

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

He meant what he said. There are some soldiers that are able to compartmentalize the things they see on the battlefield and function as a normal civilian. Some are not as mentally strong. It's 100% true.

I am hesitant to defend Donald because I think he is an abhorrent individual. However it is necessary to defend him from the, as per the norm,unbelievable media bias.

You are more eloquent than the Donald. Still, re-phrasing what he said: what you just said doesn't differ in any meaningful way from the headlines, by my reading. Is the distinction you would draw that the headlines suggest he is talking about ALL PTSD sufferers, rather than just some? I think that might not go over quite as poorly, but if that's what he means, he should really stop leaving so much open to interpretation.




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[tke1600]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

You are more eloquent than the Donald. Still, re-phrasing what he said: what you just said doesn't differ in any meaningful way from the headlines, by my reading. Is the distinction you would draw that the headlines suggest he is talking about ALL PTSD sufferers, rather than just some? I think that might not go over quite as poorly, but if that's what he means, he should really stop leaving so much open to interpretation.




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The video you see is spliced down and doesn't even include everything he said when he answered the question of why he thinks vets are suffering from PTSD and committing suicide, etc.

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

You are more eloquent than the Donald. Still, re-phrasing what he said: what you just said doesn't differ in any meaningful way from the headlines, by my reading. Is the distinction you would draw that the headlines suggest he is talking about ALL PTSD sufferers, rather than just some? I think that might not go over quite as poorly, but if that's what he means, he should really stop leaving so much open to interpretation.




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The headlines are obviously phrased out of context for shock value. They are attempting to sway the reader to an opinion before they even read the content of the article.

For example, and this is an outrageous hypothetical so please forgive me... Imagine there is a headline that reads "Police officer shoots civilian in view of hundreds". One would think before even reading the article that the officer probably just murdered a civilian in cold blood in front of a hundred witnesses. However once you get to the meat of the article you find out that the man who was shot was holding a weapon to the head of an 8 year old girl.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

You are more eloquent than the Donald. Still, re-phrasing what he said: what you just said doesn't differ in any meaningful way from the headlines, by my reading. Is the distinction you would draw that the headlines suggest he is talking about ALL PTSD sufferers, rather than just some? I think that might not go over quite as poorly, but if that's what he means, he should really stop leaving so much open to interpretation.

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This is his direct quote ... “When you talk about the mental health problems, when people come back from war and combat, they see things that maybe a lot of folks in this room have seen many times over. And you’re strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people can’t handle it,” “And they see horror stories, they see events that you couldn’t see in a movie – nobody would believe it.”

The outrage! Calling a room of veterans strong and suggesting that some veterans can't handle what they've seen. Gimme a break.

Non-stop Trump coverage, WaPo already w/ 17 articles up about the quote, probably another 50 in the hopper.

[NeilCO]

Fair enough. Taking into account everything you guys are saying, I still think it's a fairly insensitive thing to say. But I also won't deny that I often find the media pretty obnoxious in the lengths they'll go to get clicks, and that part of the reason these headlines don't bother me is likely that I already find Trump repulsive.


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[tke1600]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

Fair enough. Taking into account everything you guys are saying, I still think it's a fairly insensitive thing to say. But I also won't deny that I often find the media pretty obnoxious in the lengths they'll go to get clicks, and that part of the reason these headlines don't bother me is likely that I already find Trump repulsive.


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Totally understand. The MSM has done a good job of creating headlines from anything he has done or said in the past 20 years to try and fully ingrain him as a bad person to people that already don't like his tone and take on things.

The reason I get so worked up about all of the MSM bias is that they are doing it to manipulate and distract from some real Clinton issues like the DNC leaks, Clinton foundation pay to play, FBI server cover up, Benghazi, Bill Clinton sex crimes, etc, that should be covered equally so everyone can really decide with all the facts if Hillary is the right person to have even more power than she had when all these scandals were taking place.

[ajlaxmn]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

This is his direct quote ... “When you talk about the mental health problems, when people come back from war and combat, they see things that maybe a lot of folks in this room have seen many times over. And you’re strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people can’t handle it,” “And they see horror stories, they see events that you couldn’t see in a movie – nobody would believe it.”

The outrage! Calling a room of veterans strong and suggesting that some veterans can't handle what they've seen. Gimme a break.

Non-stop Trump coverage, WaPo already w/ 17 articles up about the quote, probably another 50 in the hopper.

The CNN headline was something like "Trump: Vets with PTSD are weak", or something to that effect. I HATE stupid click bait articles. I have no respect for MSM "journalists" or "reporters". They're nothing but glorified drama queens and gossipers.

I can respect someone who goes into harms way to report on a civil war or other crisis where there life could be at risk, but that's it.

[irfuji]

Originally Posted by tke1600

Totally understand. The MSM has done a good job of creating headlines from anything he has done or said in the past 20 years to try and fully ingrain him as a bad person to people that already don't like his tone and take on things.

The reason I get so worked up about all of the MSM bias is that they are doing it to manipulate and distract from some real Clinton issues like the DNC leaks, Clinton foundation pay to play, FBI server cover up, Benghazi, Bill Clinton sex crimes, etc, that should be covered equally so everyone can really decide with all the facts if Hillary is the right person to have even more power than she had when all these scandals were taking place.

I'm desperately trying to put my bias to side on this and here's the best I can do.

If Trump didn't have a habit of saying inflammatory and incendiary things I would give him the benefit of the doubt.

I read the entire quote prior to posting and wanted an honest opinion. I think he probably did mean that some people can handle it and some people cannot. The way it is phrased is incredibly insensitive however. Focus on the fact that mental issues in our returning service men and women are a problem. There is no need to point out that a significant amount of people come back with issues due to what they've seen. As someone whose seen it first hand I am willing to admit that I may also be more sensitive to the issue than most.

[irfuji]

What Trump gets wrong on veterans' suicide, PTSD - CNN.com

this article does a fantastic job of explaining why Trump's comments, phrased the way they were, are dangerous.

Yes it is in CNN. It is an opinion piece though.

here's the editors note; Craig Bryan is a board-certified clinical psychologist and Executive Director of the National Center for Veterans Studies at the University of Utah. He deployed to Iraq in 2009, and separated from military service soon after his return. He currently researches suicidal behaviors and suicide prevention strategies, and is a national expert on military and veteran suicide. The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of the author.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

You are more eloquent than the Donald. Still, re-phrasing what he said: what you just said doesn't differ in any meaningful way from the headlines, by my reading. Is the distinction you would draw that the headlines suggest he is talking about ALL PTSD sufferers, rather than just some? I think that might not go over quite as poorly, but if that's what he means, he should really stop leaving so much open to interpretation.




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As someone who was in the military and was diagnosed with PTSD. It makes no difference what Trump, Clinton or anyone says about it. There are programs helping people deal with it. You are either weak minded and can't handle or you have a strong mind and can overcome it. This is a nonissue for voters in my mind and I suffer from PTSD.

[cardsrus1]

Surprised so many did not see this coming from the media. This was set in motion over a year ago! They planned from the beginning to give the nomination to Trump as he was the easiest one to target just before the election. You have rats coming out of the woodwork with phony stories now! It will only get worse as the days go by. The democrats could get away with murder right now and nothing would change, or should I say another murder...

The Gruberite's will likely decide yet another election! It is good to see Anti-semite George Soro's money being well spent buying this election.

[cardsrus1]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

for somebody trying to tout his business acumen as to why he should be fit to lead the country, he certainly doesn't want to release his tax returns to show us how successful he is.


i think most americans would understand if he didn't pay taxes because he used the system in place to do so. I thought it was silly that he made a tweet about Obama only paying 20% on a sub 1 million dollar fiscal year when Trump has likely not been paying taxes, but w/e. that's all posturing.

I want to see the taxes to see how well this guy runs his companies.


btw- that TruePundit link about the drone strike comment? Come on, guys. Unproven so far.

To Silence Wikileaks, Hillary Clinton Proposed Drone Strike on Julian Assange? : snopes.com

Contradict yourself much?

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

As someone who was in the military and was diagnosed with PTSD. It makes no difference what Trump, Clinton or anyone says about it. There are programs helping people deal with it. You are either weak minded and can't handle or you have a strong mind and can overcome it. This is a nonissue for voters in my mind and I suffer from PTSD.

I am glad you seem to be handling it well, and that you didn't feel personally attacked by Trump. I think you are correct that these particular statements won't sway many voters.


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[tke1600]

Originally Posted by irfuji

I'm desperately trying to put my bias to side on this and here's the best I can do.

If Trump didn't have a habit of saying inflammatory and incendiary things I would give him the benefit of the doubt.

I read the entire quote prior to posting and wanted an honest opinion. I think he probably did mean that some people can handle it and some people cannot. The way it is phrased is incredibly insensitive however. Focus on the fact that mental issues in our returning service men and women are a problem. There is no need to point out that a significant amount of people come back with issues due to what they've seen. As someone whose seen it first hand I am willing to admit that I may also be more sensitive to the issue than most.

I hold both candidates accountable and try to see things the way they are. I've seen Trump and Clinton both speak at their rallies and press conferences many, many times.

The biggest issue Trump has when he speaks publicly is that he literally says things from the cuff as he sees it. He has his main talking points which he articulates well, but when he is asked a question about something, he is not scripted and always answers the question without skipping it, even if he doesn't have a perfect answer ready. What ends up happening is that he says stuff out of order because he will think of something else to say before finishing his point about a question.

The quote about PTSD is where we see this happening, so when you take snippets of it out of context and it is not 100% clear about which soldiers are "strong" and how many he means when he says "a lot" can't handle PTSD and fall into addiction or commit suicide, you can make any headline you want.

[Gurds]

Trump 'executes' Clinton on Indiana parade float

[trixstar]

Donald Trump used foundation money to set the stage for election campaign | McClatchy DC

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...s_suggest.html

[NeedChapmans]

Guccifer just hacked The Clinton Foundation ... holy cow.

https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016...on-foundation/

This. Is. Incredible. WOW.

[cardsrus1]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Guccifer just hacked The Clinton Foundation ... holy cow.

https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016...on-foundation/

This. Is. Incredible. WOW.

If lady liberty had a backbone, this would be the official end of the Clinton's. But we know how this will end, Billy and Loretta in another "private" meeting coming soon.