2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[Panthersfans]

Originally Posted by Addison

Camel and through the needle? Turn the other cheek? Love the sojourner as you love yourself?

Fascinating stuff.

Yep.....for Jews.

[TheHeel]

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by JohnRyno

People that dwell in subjunctive history still view Nader as a villain.

Truth. Frankly people like Maher and Silverman should be encouraging voters to vote for third party candidates.

[zachtruitt]

Turn the other cheek was straight out the mouth of the dude himself. So was love the poor, give away all your possessions lest you lose your place in heaven.
Jesus was Jewish but that's the foundation of Christianity.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Not to start anything but why is it that the Democrats feel it's okay to call out Johnson and Stein voters and treat them like children? Your candidate is disliked, she hasn't earned people's votes, they are allowed to vote however they want.

Shocking that I don't see this kind of stuff from the GOP too.

Maher, Silverman Scold Bernie Bros Voting for Gary Johnson - Rolling Stone

literally the only thing she has going for her is that she isn't Trump. I have never seen a candidate that acted so entitled to the office as I have with her (incumbent candidates running for re-election don't count).

She has done nothing but surface lipservice to court the far left Bernie supporters (like myself) aside from come across as level-headed and, again, "not trump".

if she were running against ANY other person, she'd lose handily. Cruz might have a hard time too, but i think almost any other Republican candidate could have won this thing in a heartbeat.



now, with regard to the post content- i think the Dems are still seething over the Gore loss where there was a significant amount of Nader voters that definitely stole votes from Gore and cost him dearly.

[coltsnsox07]

Man... Bush, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich etc. are watching this and saying to anyyone who will listen to them, 'I can't believe I lost so badly to this guy'....

[Clarka3]

by the way, that Clinton quote is kind of overblown.

i took it as her saying "these kids got their educations and the jobs they are able to get are not at all what they envisioned, I'd totally be right there with them supporting some sort of political revolution".

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

by the way, that Clinton quote is kind of overblown.

i took it as her saying "these kids got their educations and the jobs they are able to get are not at all what they envisioned, I'd totally be right there with them supporting some sort of political revolution".

So what kind of jobs are they going to take? Starbucks manager? Because face it. She doesn't have an answer for creating jobs...unless you want to go into government.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

So what kind of jobs are they going to take? Starbucks manager? Because face it. She doesn't have an answer for creating jobs...unless you want to go into government.

You have to pay her for those jobs though. ....

[preakness]

I am starting to think politicians are corrupt and that cable news are biased

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

You have to make donations to her foundation for those jobs though. ....

Fixed it for you, it is not "pay"... shh !

[sjscout]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

literally the only thing she has going for her is that she isn't Trump. I have never seen a candidate that acted so entitled to the office as I have with her (incumbent candidates running for re-election don't count).

She has done nothing but surface lipservice to court the far left Bernie supporters (like myself) aside from come across as level-headed and, again, "not trump".

if she were running against ANY other person, she'd lose handily. Cruz might have a hard time too, but i think almost any other Republican candidate could have won this thing in a heartbeat.



now, with regard to the post content- i think the Dems are still seething over the Gore loss where there was a significant amount of Nader voters that definitely stole votes from Gore and cost him dearly.

I would love for you to have a conversation with my wife. She is an American citizen, but born and bred in venezuela. Bernie Sanders, to her is exactly what Chavez was in her country 20 years ago. the same with HRC, but worse.
thank god we do not have children

[JohnRyno]

Originally Posted by zachtruitt

I think Bill Gates would be a good politician. Obvious business savvy, a record of huge charitable donations, dealings in international trade, hopefully above being bought by special interests, high intelligence.

From broke to havin bro-kers my price Range is Rover
Now I'm knockin like Jehovah - let me in now, let me in now
Bill Gates, Donald Trump let me in now
Spin now, I got money to lend my friends now
We in now, candy Benz, Kenwood and 10"s now
I win now (Whoo!) F*ckin lesbian twins now
Seein now, through the pen I make my ends now

[TheHeel]

Analysis: Trump May Have Had the Worst Week in Presidential Campaign History - NBC News

It's just an analysis but ouch. Real ouch.

Analysis: Trump May Have Had the Worst Week in Presidential Campaign History - NBC News

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Analysis: Trump May Have Had the Worst Week in Presidential Campaign History - NBC News

It's just an analysis but ouch. Real ouch.

Analysis: Trump May Have Had the Worst Week in Presidential Campaign History - NBC News

oh no, trump has hurt some peoples feelings again, run with it nbc.... so this illegally obtained tax record has showed that if trump hasnt paid federal taxes that he was well within the law. another non story that is trying to get blown up.

[Nyfancam01]

and there it is..... good ole liar. knew something was up with those taxes!

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Nyfancam01

and there it is..... good ole liar. knew something was up with those taxes!

Liar how? He declared a handful of bankruptcies and an absolutely awesome ONE BILLION dollar loss. Can you imagine filing that return ... holy cow.

And here I am complaining about Taveras and Fernandez.

[Addison]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Liar how? He declared a handful of bankruptcies and an absolutely awesome ONE BILLION dollar loss. Can you imagine filing that return ... holy cow.

And here I am complaining about Taveras and Fernandez.

Because his whole brand is built on success, wealth, being the best. Successful people do not have billion-dollar tax losses. Some large corporations might, but not individuals unless they are themselves poor investors.

In reality, he hasn't been successful in any of his ventures; it's all a facade. He started with hundreds of millions and has bungled it ever since.

He doesn't build anything or make anything anymore, he just lends his name to give the property/product credibility.

That is the sole reason he vehemently defends himself as being uber successful. If that association of wealth is diminished, his brand is devalued and worthless.

Steaks, airlines, water, vodka, casinos, online travel sites, Trump mortgage, Trump magazine, trump university, and so on. Failures. Which supposed billionaire do you know has had more business failures?

Everything he touches is a train wreck which is why most banks will not lend to him to anymore. Which is crazy because they'll lend to almost anyone.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Addison

Because his whole brand is built on success, wealth, being the best. Successful people do not have billion-dollar tax losses. Some large corporations might, but not individuals unless they are themselves poor investors.

In reality, he hasn't been successful in any of his ventures; it's all a facade. He started with hundreds of millions and has bungled it ever since.

He doesn't build anything or make anything anymore, he just lends his name to give the property/product credibility.

That is the sole reason he vehemently defends himself as being uber successful. If that association of wealth is diminished, his brand is devalued and worthless.

Steaks, airlines, water, vodka, casinos, online travel sites, Trump mortgage, Trump magazine, trump university, and so on. Failures. Which supposed billionaire do you know has had more business failures?

Everything he touches is a train wreck which is why most banks will not lend to him to anymore. Which is crazy because they'll lend to almost anyone.

Really? Trump Water, Trump Steaks ... and you're gonna compare that to this?

Trump Real Estate Portfolio: Donald J Trump Organization Luxury Residential Resort Hotel Golf Commercial Office Retail Property

He's failed, and he's failed plenty. But to suggest that he's fake wealthy, and then look at the monster he just opened up on Pennsylvania Avenue doesn't make much sense to me. The man reported a billion dollar loss 20 years ago, and here is today as a primary candidate to run for US president w/ tens of millions of voters voting for him.

I don't care what you or anyone says, that's damn impressive.

[Ray27Ray52]

First let me be clear that I think Donald Trump is a buffoon and has absolutely no business running for the highest office in the land. That being said, if I were voting, I would vote for Trump over that lying treasonous POS Hillary in a heartbeat.

All of that being said, honestly, who gives a #@#@#@#@ about Donald's tax returns? Do you care because it is honestly something important to you? Or do you only care because the media tells you it is important? The guy has made and lost millions in a undeniably overall successful business career. That he may have found loopholes to avoid paying taxes is patently irrelevant in his competency as President. He did what all rich people do. That's why they are rich.

[irfuji]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

First let me be clear that I think Donald Trump is a buffoon and has absolutely no business running for the highest office in the land. That being said, if I were voting, I would vote for Trump over that lying treasonous POS Hillary in a heartbeat.

All of that being said, honestly, who gives a #@#@#@#@ about Donald's tax returns? Do you care because it is honestly something important to you? Or do you only care because the media tells you it is important? The guy has made and lost millions in a undeniably overall successful business career. That he may have found loopholes to avoid paying taxes is patently irrelevant in his competency as President. He did what all rich people do. That's why they are rich.

Couple of things.

1- Donald Trump Would Be Richer If He Had Invested in Index Funds

Trump would be worth an estimated $13B, which is more than his own $10B estimate now, if he had just invested in index funds; and this article was written in 2015. Article also compares how the wealth of Bill Gates (not the best comparison) and Warren Buffet (a much better comparison) rose in the same time frame. So if he's such a great businessman he should be beating index funds or at least having the equivalent rise in net worth.

2- It really doesn't matter to me what he pays in taxes. He should just release them and say, as a businessman I take advantage of all avenues to reduce my tax liability to as little as possible. I would 100% be OK with that. But OWN it fully. Release the tax returns.

I want to see his tax returns because he doesn't know what a blind trust is, think's turning over the business dealings to his son and daughter is the equivalent of a blind trust, and we would see whether the financial issues, Cuba embargo issues and more importantly the ties his personnel have with Russia have any merit.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by Addison

Because his whole brand is built on success, wealth, being the best. Successful people do not have billion-dollar tax losses. Some large corporations might, but not individuals unless they are themselves poor investors.

In reality, he hasn't been successful in any of his ventures; it's all a facade. He started with hundreds of millions and has bungled it ever since.

He doesn't build anything or make anything anymore, he just lends his name to give the property/product credibility.

That is the sole reason he vehemently defends himself as being uber successful. If that association of wealth is diminished, his brand is devalued and worthless.

Steaks, airlines, water, vodka, casinos, online travel sites, Trump mortgage, Trump magazine, trump university, and so on. Failures. Which supposed billionaire do you know has had more business failures?

Everything he touches is a train wreck which is why most banks will not lend to him to anymore. Which is crazy because they'll lend to almost anyone.

So a successful businessman has struck out at times while amassing a fortune worth billions. You ride him for this?

I want to he clear. You ride the guy for employing thousands and losing some money. BUT....you want to allow college graduates AND dropouts to back out of their student loans and all be forgiven? You want to give handouts to non working poor that are of absolutely no value to this country. You want to spend millions/billions on programs to "help" addicts that will ultimately relapse and abuse system.

Talk about a fairy tale.

Doesn't work that way.

[Addison]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Really? Trump Water, Trump Steaks ... and you're gonna compare that to this?

Trump Real Estate Portfolio: Donald J Trump Organization Luxury Residential Resort Hotel Golf Commercial Office Retail Property

He's failed, and he's failed plenty. But to suggest that he's fake wealthy, and then look at the monster he just opened up on Pennsylvania Avenue doesn't make much sense to me. The man reported a billion dollar loss 20 years ago, and here is today as a primary candidate to run for US president w/ tens of millions of voters voting for him.

I don't care what you or anyo.ne says, that's damn impressive.

I didn't say he isn't rich or own real estate. He owns plenty, but just because the building says "Trump" on it doesn't mean he owns it. Like with most of his dealings he'll license his name to the property and manage it but but he's no builder. Hasn't been in a while. And he's not as rich and successful as he tries to present himself to be. $10B? Hilarious.

Again which billionaire is shunned by banks?

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

So a successful businessman has struck out at times while amassing a fortune worth billions. You ride him for this?

I want to he clear. You ride the guy for employing thousands and losing some money. BUT....you want to allow college graduates AND dropouts to back out of their student loans and all be forgiven? You want to give handouts to non working poor that are of absolutely no value to this country. You want to spend millions/billions on programs to "help" addicts that will ultimately relapse and abuse system.

Talk about a fairy tale.

Doesn't work that way.

Yeesh a lot of rambling, straw men, and non sequiturs in here that I will try to unpack here.

1. Sure he's hired people. But he's known more for firing people. Which has been the case countless times when all his ventures failed. I would hate to be a blackjack dealer employed by Trump. "He has received at least 3,500 official complaints for failing to pay employees, contractors, and other business affiliates money owed". You want to know what the consequence is for stiffing not just his own employees but his contractors as well? Small businesses suffer and jobs are lost. Trump Accused of Routinely Stiffing His Own Employees | Vanity Fair

2. I have said on a purely economic basis, it is logical to significantly reduce student loan debt. You have a generation that needs sophisticated education and skills to compete with the rest of the world who are subsidizing their colleges. If we don't have skilled labor, our county suffers. Couple that with the fact the these students with thousands in debt can't buy cars/homes/etc. because of debt, the economy suffers. Small businesses suffer. So yes, subsidizing STEM and trade degrees is completely rational. I do not support paying for English/History/Etc. degrees.

3. Supporting non working people that are no value to this country...Dog whistle aside, I never have said that and there are millions of children, disabled, end elderly you include in that. I do feel like if you are able to work, you should and the benefits should be a supplement. I also support an enormous public works investment which should hire people in the community to fix infrastructure and give people marketable skills. Trump says he's for this and I agree with him.

4. I know you have said here that you would like to ban all alcohol/tobacco/drugs. You and Rodrigo Duterte would be good friends. And yes I do support helping addicts get clean. Would I rather spend a billion helping people get clean or spend a billion locking people in cages, I would go with the former every single time.

[natbornkiller]

[JohnRyno]

Originally Posted by Addison

3. Supporting non working people that are no value to this country...Dog whistle aside, I never have said that and there are millions of children, disabled, end elderly you include in that. I do feel like if you are able to work, you should and the benefits should be a supplement. I also support an enormous public works investment which should hire people in the community to fix infrastructure and give people marketable skills. Trump says he's for this and I agree with him.

It's a good thing cruiser doesn't chair the House Committee on Veteran's Affairs.

"Thanks for your service, and tough break on the leg you had blown off in Fukmenistan, but we don't give handouts to the poor, unemployed, or people with no current value to the country."