Michael Jordan RC, PSA 10, shatters 100k !!!

[Garrison8]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

How many other GOATs are there? When you want a Jordan RC you don't have Prizm, Optic, Select, Topps, National Treasures, Flawless, Fleer, Upper Deck, etc etc etc

It's the 1986 Fleer #57. That's it! Greatest of all time. 6 time NBA Champion. 6 time NBA Finals MVP. 5 time NBA MVP. 6-0 in Finals. 10 time scoring champion.

This hits the nail on the head. Jordan didn’t have 50 products where every product had 10 high end cards (let’s say numbered to 100 or less). He had one. One that is extremely condition sensitive, not a 9 or 10, 95% of the time.

There is a ton of money to be made in the short term on other products, other players. But that also comes with risk, every single night with young players. One injury, one wrong decision, years of not quite living up to expectation. You have to win multiple championships and be the dominant cog in those championships to have long term high end appeal.

Even if you luck out and the player you invest in turns out to have a career even close to a Malone, or Barkley, or even Olajuwon, who cares? Even those types of careers won’t be enough to sustain the money spent on 99.9% of modern players. I just decided I didn’t want to be the one without a chair, when the music stops on a certain player. They can’t live up to the nostalgia of a Jordan long term.

[kefskala]

Originally Posted by aaronking23

8's aren't 30k because there isn't that much money in the market even today. 10 is the investment grade and just trades hands of really rich people then the trickle down happens and the 9's 8's go up much much slower.

I love jordan and pc him but if I had 10-12k to drop on a card there are much better buys right now than an 8 86f jordan. There's a 97 98 finest embossed atomic gold ref/74 kobe just sitting on ebay right now (like 1 in 25,000 packs)

high end kobe autos (exquisite, impeccable and contenders tribute would all be better buys right now imo

I thought the same why 5 years ago. Looking now at a pop count of 15000 lukas psa 10 and williamson 14000 psa 10 rc, with another 100 parallels to go along i think the jordan card isnt so liquid....These other two players just proves the point of how many new collectors have entered the market. When you can sustain 2000.00 for a luka and have 7 of them selling evey night, i think you are dead wrong about the jordan rc....This is the babe ruth of basketball and at any level people want in..a psa 1 is at 2k...

[aaronking23]

Originally Posted by kefskala

I thought the same why 5 years ago. Looking now at a pop count of 15000 lukas psa 10 and williamson 14000 psa 10 rc, with another 100 parallels to go along i think the jordan card isnt so liquid....These other two players just proves the point of how many new collectors have entered the market. When you can sustain 2000.00 for a luka and have 7 of them selling evey night, i think you are dead wrong about the jordan rc....This is the babe ruth of basketball and at any level people want in..a psa 1 is at 2k...

the entire market has gone up in 5 years

just saying there are better ways to invest 10-12k than a psa 8 #57

an altereted pmg red sells for more/the same as a psa 10 #57 bc of rarity

from an roi perspective there are much better buys of rare cards right now in the current market

10-12k is a LOT of money and could buy you some nice rare jordans/kobes that would appreciate faster than an 8 #57

with all that said though I do love the #57!

[jrfillini]

Back in 2013, when I joined, there was a thread asking people to show off their $1000+ plus cards. Somebody shared a BGS 8.5 rookie, and somebody else asked if they really were going for $1000. I find it funny now that the debate is whether they really are going for ten times that.

I got mine for more than $1000, but well less than $10000, and am happy to have it. Though, at these prices, one (especially one who isn't huge into grading) has to consider selling and buying a well-centered, lower grade copy. Lot of cool stuff you can get for the difference in price between an 8.5 and one that doesn't look that much worse.

[kefskala]

Originally Posted by aaronking23

the entire market has gone up in 5 years

just saying there are better ways to invest 10-12k than a psa 8 #57

an altereted pmg red sells for more than a 10 #57 bc of rarity

from an roi perspective there are much better buys of rare cards right now in the current market

10-12k is a LOT of money and could buy you some nice rare jordans/kobes that would appreciate faster than an 8 #57

roi? the value is obviously what someone is willing to pay. there is no guarantees that any of this will go up or continue to go up. but that said people are paying 10K for psa 8 jordan rc. Is there other cards? of course there are but three months ago a psa 9 was going for 12k and now 33k how is that ROI? again will it last? i have no idea.....but truly fun to watch...cheers keep in mind the psa 10 rc has pulled all of jordans cards up with it..a 1989 psa 10 fleer jordan was going for 100.00 last year now 1200.00....

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by trendy26

Very well said man, I’m in complete agreement. The hype will not continue at the rate it has, then the supply will increase and the undercutting will begin. I think the Jordan #57 is THE card to own in a collection, but at the prices they’re at today, I’m fine sitting on the sideline

All the naysayers of course don’t own the Jordan! What have you been doing all these years?! Are you new to the hobby? If so it’s understandable.

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

How many other GOATs are there? When you want a Jordan RC you don't have Prizm, Optic, Select, Topps, National Treasures, Flawless, Fleer, Upper Deck, etc etc etc

It's the 1986 Fleer #57. That's it! Greatest of all time. 6 time NBA Champion. 6 time NBA Finals MVP. 5 time NBA MVP. 6-0 in Finals. 10 time scoring champion.

In my mind you have the Star Jordan 101 and Star 117 which was made a year before the Fleer. Talk about room to grow the 117! I have a BGS 9 but you’re right 3 cards to me are all that matter in the rookie card chase.

[vintg]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

This is a hobbyist view point. There is appeal to rare cards for collectors to be sure. But #57 is bigger than basketball and bigger than the card collecting hobby. Maybe on the shortlist with t206 Wagner and 52 mantle as the few cards that are truly sought by non collectors and collectors alike. With full confidence I believe the mantle becomes less in demand as the years go on. It’ll always be a big one and always valuable but #57 is going to be the king of cards. We’re there already quite frankly. The split of focus leaving baseball to basketball is very real. The loss of interest in post war baseball cards is real. It’s going to continue to shift as boomers die off and the 40 year olds seek their nostalgia.

Some random card from 1998 that is nearly impossible to find and very few people even know about will never be more liquid and more desirable than #57. All Jordan’s are collectible and have a place. But it’s simply not a better buy.

I came back to the hobby 5-6 years ago and fell in love with vintage baseball,
primarily Mantle and Banks. (with some aaron, clemente, j. robinson, koufax, t.williams, mays)

this spring I got hooked on the Jordan. I'm born and bred Chicago, how could I not be ???

ive struggled for about a year or so with the elderly demographics of baseball card collectors (although baseball has and will always be my first love) vs. the younger generation of basketball card collectors.

with covid (people at home, not a whole lot of other places to spend disposable income) AND the perfect storm of the youtube/social media guys with all their followers really getting in to sportcards as investments, well, here we are.

last, I am THRILLED for the folks who have the Jordan RC in their collections and seen its value skyrocket, congratulations to you !!

for those who can't afford the Jordan RC, their are other opportunities with MJ
cards that still offer a lot of upside.

[Brent72]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

In my mind you have the Star Jordan 101 and Star 117 which was made a year before the Fleer. Talk about room to grow the 117! I have a BGS 9 but you’re right 3 cards to me are all that matter in the rookie card chase.

Agree 100% on the Star cards. They're criminally undervalued IMHO. If PSA ever starts grading them again they will go through the roof!

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

In my mind you have the Star Jordan 101 and Star 117 which was made a year before the Fleer. Talk about room to grow the 117! I have a BGS 9 but you’re right 3 cards to me are all that matter in the rookie card chase.

Originally Posted by Brent72

Agree 100% on the Star cards. They're criminally undervalued IMHO. If PSA ever starts grading them again they will go through the roof!

I thought about Star. Jordan is the only reason people even consider it an option. I don't think Ewing, Barkley or Olajuwon could keep them in the hobby...they'd just be another card from a company that only last a couple years. Not being pack issued hurts as well. PSA not grading them is what will keep them from ever having a chance to catch #57. People see PSA jordan is king... PSA Bron is king... PSA Tiger is king.... Etc.... Not having PSA Star being an option will always hurt. Maybe the new owners will change it up and Star will catch up. Time will tell.

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

I thought about Star. Jordan is the only reason people even consider it an option. I don't think Ewing, Barkley or Olajuwon could keep them in the hobby...they'd just be another card from a company that only last a couple years. Not being pack issued hurts as well. PSA not grading them is what will keep them from ever having a chance to catch #57. People see PSA jordan is king... PSA Bron is king... PSA Tiger is king.... Etc.... Not having PSA Star being an option will always hurt. Maybe the new owners will change it up and Star will catch up. Time will tell.

Agreed 100% until PSA jumps in Star cards will be held back.

[KB81]

I know its MJ all day err day in here but have an inquiry

What do you guys think the effect of a LeBron "Last Dance type" documentary will have on his cards?

Should that doc air right after he retires or a few years after, if few years after, how long after? 5yrs? 10 yrs? 20yrs?

[rainmaker]

People will realize Lebron is not mj in any way if a 10 episode documentary were to be produced. Will the attention bring increased interest? probably. But, like, how entertaining would it even be? Mj had a level of celebrity that was/is so much bigger than Lebron. I’m no Lebron hater at all. He’s just not all that interesting. Great basketball player but that’s about it.

[KB81]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

People will realize Lebron is not mj in any way if a 10 episode documentary were to be produced. Will the attention bring increased interest? probably. But, like, how entertaining would it even be? Mj had a level of celebrity that was/is so much bigger than Lebron. I’m no Lebron hater at all. He’s just not all that interesting. Great basketball player but that’s about it.

He is a dominant force in the league and for many many years. Kudos to him and his game IQ.

For me MJ will always be GOAT because I lived through his rise and the impact he had on not only the sport but society. Bron has done a lot too, I really don't want to come off as someone who does not acknowledge his greatness in any way but he isn't the only player to keep an eye on during his playing years. Back when MJ was making his mark, he was THE ONLY player to keep an eye on.

Both are great but to me MJ will always be greaterererer x1000

[ThoseBackPages]

no wrong time to own a Jordan RC

[Brent72]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

Not having PSA Star being an option will always hurt. Maybe the new owners will change it up and Star will catch up. Time will tell.

That's what I'm thinking. If new owners come in and PSA starts grading that card again all the copies graded by both them and BGS will soar in value. Even if that doesn't happen, however, I'm still confident that high graded BGS copies will continue to appreciate.

[kefskala]

Originally Posted by KB81

I know its MJ all day err day in here but have an inquiry

What do you guys think the effect of a LeBron "Last Dance type" documentary will have on his cards?

Should that doc air right after he retires or a few years after, if few years after, how long after? 5yrs? 10 yrs? 20yrs?

lebron will always play second fiddle to his eminence...there are people who think he is the GOAT but sorry not here....to much to write just read the article....then compare him to mj.....

https://huntnewsnu.com/43146/sports/...-by-teammates/

[Garrison8]

Originally Posted by kefskala

lebron will always play second fiddle to his eminence...there are people who think he is the GOAT but sorry not here....to much to write just read the article....then compare him to mj.....

https://huntnewsnu.com/43146/sports/...-by-teammates/

Lebron is an amazing, fabulous player. I would put Lebron up there with anyone, besides MJ. Maybe if Lebron was in that era, he could have had a huge impact on pop culture and the development of the league, but he wasn’t. MJ made basketball international and must see. He had the big shots and knew when to let his supporting cast help. And he was cocky as hell, in a good way, while still being humble with his time. He backed up the cockiness, with his play, that made the greats all shake their heads. He was a superstar on the floor, but his marketing IQ and like-ability is what can’t be matched in today’s era. It can only be furthered.

Now you guys have me thinking about those star cards. 101 and 117. I may have to go there.

[Brent72]

Originally Posted by Garrison8

Now you guys have me thinking about those star cards. 101 and 117. I may have to go there.

Both of them have been steadily rising this year. Not as crazy as the 86 Fleer, but prices are definitely a lot higher than they were at the start of 2020.

[pokerkeith]

I never owned on and always fantasized about owning a jordan rc. Maybe on day. As for the lebron vs mj debate there is no debate who was the better player and cultural icon imo. The nba was much bigger in the usa during the jordan hey day. NBA is lucky it has the internationl interest to keep the dollars up. Jordan went 6 for 6 in the nba finals. Lebron did make more finals and i give him no grief for failing in his first cleveland finals i think in his 2nd year but losing vs dirk and the gang when they had the miami trio forever stains lebrons legacy imo. I do think lebron never had a great as no 2 as jordan had but maybe that is selling prime wade short. I suppose if lebron and davis went on a 3 year run with 3 straight titles maybe he could overtake jordan but to me jordan has always been the more fascinating character with his gambling, his dad dying, etc.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by Brent72

Agree 100% on the Star cards. They're criminally undervalued IMHO. If PSA ever starts grading them again they will go through the roof!

The “unlicensed” factor is a HUGE factor ..... it creates the “but”
Star Jordan cards are great, “but”........

[mc1]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

The “unlicensed” factor is a HUGE factor ..... it creates the “but”
Star Jordan cards are great, “but”........

Star cards werent unlicensed.

The issue with them is that they werent issued in packs or boxes and theres urban legends about counterfeits and reprints.

[rainmaker]

If you don’t know fir certain what you are talking about please don’t post on star cards. Such a misunderstood era...

[mc1]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

If you don’t know fir certain what you are talking about please don’t post on star cards. Such a misunderstood era...

Please quote the offenders.

Do us all a favor.

[cowboyzqna]

I dont generally experience "FoMo" but man do I wish I would have bought a clean mid grade copy of this card at some point.


If they keep trending up I may just be SOL. Not even sure when I could chip up to having enough to buy a decent copy now unless I did a huge purge.


Congrats to every one who was smarter than me and secured themselves a copy of this card.