Potential Worth of Soccer Cards as Market Grows

[Poncho74]

Originally Posted by Dizz86

top4 without order: Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Pele, Zidane.

Pele- we must accept that he was voted GOAT at the end of a millennium.
3 WCs, 1000+ goals. dedicated life to soccer. But he never played in Europe. In tough English league he would be injured half a season. In defensive Italian league he would not score so much.

Zidane - hell of a player, won it all. 2 goals in WC final 1998. 1 goal in 2006 (Panenka penalty shot in 2nd minute, and then red card for knockouting Materazzi). Crazy winning goal in Champions league overtime agains Leverkusen. First 3 years as a coach he won 3 CL titles. Charizmatic. crazy technique, fun to watch. He could be GOAT, but on the paper other players had more trophies as a players.

Messi - if he wins WC 2022 he will be GOAT without a doubt. He needs win at least Copa America to be GOAT in my eyes. 6 Golden Balls are great, but not much different when you compare it to 5 of Ronaldo. At least 1 or 2 GBs of Messi were controversial. If I had a gun in my head I would choose Messi as a GOAT.

CR7 - Showed his skill in England, Spain and even in Italy. I would not care about the fact he won 5 GBs against 6 GBs of Messi. That system of voting is not very objective. He became real GOAT consideration after he won EURO 2016. If he win another trophy with Portugal, he will be my GOAT.
Hardworking, but his celebrity lifestyle and crybaby style does not help in GOAT consideration. Winning CL with Juve would also help very much.

It is hard to evaluate players I saw only on youtube highlights. (Cruyff, Platini, Beckenbauer, Maradona, Van Basten,...) But we must respect them.

Other phenomenal players deserving top 15, maybe even top7 spot: Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Neuer, Pirlo.

Ronaldinho was most fun to watch player ever. He won it all. Unfortunately he lost motivation. After Barca it was not it anymore. And also before Barca he was great but not considered as best in world. He had very good 3-4 years, but that is not enough.

I totally respect Neuer, for me he is the best keeper ever. Revolutionize GK position. But not really as no big change happened, because no other GK can do the same. Maybe in next years we will see more GKs playing 25-30m outside the 'net'. He won it all. Not as big charisma and leader as Buffon, but in Germany it is about team and not about ego.

Beckham was also fun to watch, many thinks he was marketing product, but that is not true. His long passes to Yorke/Cole were astonishing. Even his last season at Madrid, he was the best player there for last 2-3 months, before going to US.

Don't forget to add the Inaugural Nations League Title on Cristiano Ronaldo's resume of accomplishments.
Portugal beat a stacked Netherlands team for that title.

[fadster]

Personally I put them in the following tiers (not in order within each tier), starred players were before my time but I feel I have watched and read enough to include.

Top tier
Pele* - Nothing to be said did it all
Maradona - dragged his club and country to success, a magician at a time of cynical football
Messi - For me a WC would leapfrog Maradona for sure and maybe Pele too. Copa's won't do anything for his legacy now
C Ronaldo - Same, his Euro is discounted as they basically played like Greece 2004 and did it without him.

2nd Tier (almost but not quite)
Cruyff* - Almost in the top tier, revolutionised the game as a player and manager, 3 consecitive EC, 3 time Balon d'or. Would have him alongside Maradona if they had won in 74 WC
Platini - Creative midfielder who scored for fun, 3 time Balon d'or winner and 3 time Capocanieri when Serie A was easily the strongest league in the world. Euro 84 does add to his legacy as they did it in style on home turf and he was untouchable throughout. However as UEFA boss he has tarnished his legacy and is dropping in peoples eyes.
Di Stefano* - Well before my time but his achievements speak for themselves and the way other talk about him mean something.
Puskas* - Same as Di Stefano, and they even named the award for best goal of the year after him.
Beckenbauer* - Invented his own position. Heart and soul of the for club and country seriously amazing achievements both as a player and manager. If he did what he did as an attacking player he'd be in the top tier.

3rd Tier
Ronaldo - Personally, at his peak the best player I've seen. For a few years he was unplayable. Only injuries stopped him from being higher, the way he came back for Brazil in the 2002 WC and then Madrid after over a year out injured was unreal.
Van Basten - Talking of injuries... When you look at all he achieved it's unbelievable to think he retired at 28. The complete striker, he was like poetry in motion. Legacy enhanced by magical Euro 88
Zidane - The great enigma. I feel like he was the most inconsistent player on this list but when he was on, he was on. He also had enough magical moments to keep the legend going.

Just missing out:
Eusebio* - First African born star did the best with what he had (EC and Balon d'Or with Benfica, 66 WC semi with Portugal) but just a bit short
Best* - no international success possible
Charlton* - great player, great story, just not quite upto the others ahead Garrincha* - carried Brazil to 62 WC after Pele was injured, but soon afterwards alcoholism started at what should have been his peak period
Ronaldinho - amazing peak was too short a period
Zico - first Brazilian star to make the switch to Europe, also the best to never win the world cup

Other personal favourites:
Ruud Gullit - The renaissance man. Part of two iconic teams (that AC Milan team and 88 Holland), could play everywhere and do everything.
Lothar Matthaus - Won everything and the purring engine of some great teams. If he had taken the penalty in WC90 final he'd be higher up.
Paolo Maldini - Best defender I've ever seen, he was unflappable and did it with style. This could easily be Franco Baresi, their names will be remembered together.

When people talk about high bars to justify prices just take a look at the guys in the 3rd tier. Just to reach that tier you need multiple Balon D'ors, be the star of an international tournament that your country wins and a very full trophy cabinet. Also international success is a must, it's where so many legends are made, something to beware of with Haaland.

[ThoseBackPages]

you sticker guys crack me up!

[Poncho74]

Originally Posted by fadster

Personally I put them in the following tiers (not in order within each tier), starred players were before my time but I feel I have watched and read enough to include.

Top tier
Pele* - Nothing to be said did it all
Maradona - dragged his club and country to success, a magician at a time of cynical football
Messi - For me a WC would leapfrog Maradona for sure and maybe Pele too. Copa's won't do anything for his legacy now
C Ronaldo - Same, his Euro is discounted as they basically played like Greece 2004 and did it without him.

2nd Tier (almost but not quite)
Cruyff* - Almost in the top tier, revolutionised the game as a player and manager, 3 consecitive EC, 3 time Balon d'or. Would have him alongside Maradona if they had won in 74 WC
Platini - Creative midfielder who scored for fun, 3 time Balon d'or winner and 3 time Capocanieri when Serie A was easily the strongest league in the world. Euro 84 does add to his legacy as they did it in style on home turf and he was untouchable throughout. However as UEFA boss he has tarnished his legacy and is dropping in peoples eyes.
Di Stefano* - Well before my time but his achievements speak for themselves and the way other talk about him mean something.
Puskas* - Same as Di Stefano, and they even named the award for best goal of the year after him.
Beckenbauer* - Invented his own position. Heart and soul of the for club and country seriously amazing achievements both as a player and manager. If he did what he did as an attacking player he'd be in the top tier.

3rd Tier
Ronaldo - Personally, at his peak the best player I've seen. For a few years he was unplayable. Only injuries stopped him from being higher, the way he came back for Brazil in the 2002 WC and then Madrid after over a year out injured was unreal.
Van Basten - Talking of injuries... When you look at all he achieved it's unbelievable to think he retired at 28. The complete striker, he was like poetry in motion. Legacy enhanced by magical Euro 88
Zidane - The great enigma. I feel like he was the most inconsistent player on this list but when he was on, he was on. He also had enough magical moments to keep the legend going.

Just missing out:
Eusebio* - First African born star did the best with what he had (EC and Balon d'Or with Benfica, 66 WC semi with Portugal) but just a bit short
Best* - no international success possible
Charlton* - great player, great story, just not quite upto the others ahead Garrincha* - carried Brazil to 62 WC after Pele was injured, but soon afterwards alcoholism started at what should have been his peak period
Ronaldinho - amazing peak was too short a period
Zico - first Brazilian star to make the switch to Europe, also the best to never win the world cup

Other personal favourites:
Ruud Gullit - The renaissance man. Part of two iconic teams (that AC Milan team and 88 Holland), could play everywhere and do everything.
Lothar Matthaus - Won everything and the purring engine of some great teams. If he had taken the penalty in WC90 final he'd be higher up.
Paolo Maldini - Best defender I've ever seen, he was unflappable and did it with style. This could easily be Franco Baresi, their names will be remembered together.

When people talk about high bars to justify prices just take a look at the guys in the 3rd tier. Just to reach that tier you need multiple Balon D'ors, be the star of an international tournament that your country wins and a very full trophy cabinet. Also international success is a must, it's where so many legends are made, something to beware of with Haaland.

You discount Ronaldo's 2016 Euro Title because he started but got injured, but yet HE got his Country to the final. Which allowed the others to win it for Portuguese Pride and the history books.
Also Ronaldo is a "Rock Star" which is extremely difficult for a Soccer/futebal player.
Messi has had many chances to win something for his country and has won nothing for them! Which is shocking with the Superstar players he plays with.
Messi's only accomplishments come when he is playing for the Yankees! Excuse me I mean Barcelona who has the Cash/Euro's to make sure the Empire will always be at the top every year. There is alot of Politics involved in futebol behind the scenes.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by Poncho74

You discount Ronaldo's 2016 Euro Title because he started but got injured, but yet HE got his Country to the final. Which allowed the others to win it for Portuguese Pride and the history books.

I discount it because it was deathly dull, it was like watching Greece in 2004 and added nothing to his legend. To cap it all off they won without Ronaldo in the final. I can understand it would have been enjoyable if you're Portuguese but for everyone else it was a dire tournament. Aside from Platini in 84 and Holland in 88 the Euros have been largely forgettable and haven't really added to anyone's legacy. Same goes for the Copa America.

Just to clarify my tiers were football related not hobby related, obviously a whole different kettle of fish.

[fadster]

Just a friendly tip for anyone who is thinking of bidding on this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/143584004354?nordt=true

It doesn't explicitly say but this is an Mbappe 2nd year (17/18) sticker, not even his home league "foot 17/18" but the more common champions league set. I'm comfortable with stickers and love seeing him in a Monaco kit but I don't think this makes much sense for 17/18 given the superior card choices available that season. I can only think people don't realise it's a sticker.

[cruiserdaddy7]

17/18 chrome sealed product took another jump. His rookies continue to go up as well from Chrome. Seems obvious where the money is going.

[ThoseBackPages]

Glorious!

[IndySportsCards]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

17/18 chrome sealed product took another jump. His rookies continue to go up as well from Chrome. Seems obvious where the money is going.

Holy Kamoley! 3K a case ON SALE!

[GrangerCollectr]

Originally Posted by IndySportsCards

Holy Kamoley! 3K a case ON SALE!

Can you believe it? All those boxes we were busting over and over and over at $50-$60 per. Crazy times!

[peterose4hof]

Originally Posted by bloomie6

I have:
19, 30, 42, 45, 51, 61, 87, 99, 101, 130, 142, 147, 166, and 170

Pm me

Thanks,
Adam

PM sent. Thanks!

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by IndySportsCards

Holy Kamoley! 3K a case ON SALE!

All things considered still reasonable price. Most cases will have around 7 or 8 Mbappe base, and a refractor. That's 800-900 back for sure. Then if you hit a blue that's another 800-900. To gamble for gold or better with a 99 card set....it's not terrible odds of doing well still.

[flashinitup]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

All things considered still reasonable price. Most cases will have around 7 or 8 Mbappe base, and a refractor. That's 800-900 back for sure. Then if you hit a blue that's another 800-900. To gamble for gold or better with a 99 card set....it's not terrible odds of doing well still.

Honestly, it still sounds like a pretty good deal when you factor in if even 2-3 of those Base would get PSA 10's and could be sold for $300 or so each and continue to go up in price and you hit any color of him and can get that graded as well. Add on Color from Messi and Ronaldo and you aren't in a bad position to come out ahead.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by flashinitup

Honestly, it still sounds like a pretty good deal when you factor in if even 2-3 of those Base would get PSA 10's and could be sold for $300 or so each and continue to go up in price and you hit any color of him and can get that graded as well. Add on Color from Messi and Ronaldo and you aren't in a bad position to come out ahead.

Exactly. I truly feel the cases are underpriced right now but they won’t last long. People just need to do the match

[GrangerCollectr]

Originally Posted by flashinitup

Honestly, it still sounds like a pretty good deal when you factor in if even 2-3 of those Base would get PSA 10's and could be sold for $300 or so each and continue to go up in price and you hit any color of him and can get that graded as well. Add on Color from Messi and Ronaldo and you aren't in a bad position to come out ahead.

Yep, lots of value in 17/18 Chrome boxes and even color of Pulisic and Salah are selling well. Can't forget about Trent Alexander-Arnold rookies in this as they are picking up steam too

[bloomie6]

I think I may be buying more Jumbo donruss boxes... I see a lot of value still in them... vs $200 for hobby...

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by bloomie6

I think I may be buying more Jumbo donruss boxes... I see a lot of value still in them... vs $200 for hobby...

The Donruss at 200 is a terrible value. I'd be pumping my money into 17/18 chrome at 250 long before Is buy Donruss Hobby at 200

[ColoradoSkiGuy]

Originally Posted by GrangerCollectr

Yep, lots of value in 17/18 Chrome boxes and even color of Pulisic and Salah are selling well. Can't forget about Trent Alexander-Arnold rookies in this as they are picking up steam too

Yeah, I opened a box a few months ago and got a sweet #/50 TAA auto.

[Akphillips86]

There’s benefits to both Donruss and Topps Chrome to be fair. Chrome has chances for bigger hits with Mbappe. Also you have Messi and Ronaldo refractors (17-18 refractors are doing very well as of late especially color), but the hits are definitely less plentiful.

Donruss has ALOT of quality prospects in it with Sancho being foremost. Holos and Velocities of all the prospects have been selling well. Your odds of some good hits in Donruss are very very good, but no monster hits.


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[ThoseBackPages]

this is AWSOME!!!

[patchgenie]

are there any valuable base cards in 2015 donruss soccer?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by patchgenie

are there any valuable base cards in 2015 donruss soccer?

yes, messi & CR7 color

[IndySportsCards]

This kid is electric. For your quarantine viewing pleasure.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by IndySportsCards

This kid is electric. For your quarantine viewing pleasure.

Vinicius! One of my favorite youngsters. Kid has potential


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[IndySportsCards]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Vinicius! One of my favorite youngsters. Kid has potential

I agree. I was looking at some of the new talent and compared to say Phil Foden, this guy is so much better in this 2019 footage. I think Foden has talent, but not near as much as Vinicius IMHO.