Yordan Alvarez

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

I think he was talking about Yordan.

"If any have come at the third hour, let him with thankfulness keep the feast. If any have arrived at the sixth hour, let him have no misgivings; because he shall in nowise be deprived thereof. If any have delayed until the ninth hour, let him draw near, fearing nothing. If any have tarried even until the eleventh hour, let him, also, be not alarmed at his tardiness, ....... will accept the last even as the first; He gives rest unto him who comes at the eleventh hour, even as unto him who has wrought from the first hour."

- St. John Chrysostom

We will accept the last Yordan fan, even as the first!

That's our new motto.

[Archangel1775]

It's good to see him and his fellow peer in the 2020 rookie class doing so well!

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

So...if its not anything that many have pointed out for years. Tell me...why doesn't Yordan get the hobby love that you all desire? Dont avoid it. Give the answer. This can be put to rest right here, right now, today. Lets hear it.

There are a couple ways to answer this.

First off, people don’t always put their money into cards because they are making wise decisions based on their own critical thinking. They follow the market, or think that five-tool players are where it’s at, or they get all giddy when guys dance in the dugout. They’re not thinking about the fact that the two most important types of players in baseball are 1) the best hitters and 2) the best pitchers.

Secondly, Yordan does receive hobby love. Maybe he hasn’t reached “Soto in ‘21” levels, but his cards aren’t giveaways. His rookie superfractors have been selling for multiple thousands of dollars. His rookie autos and top parallels cost considerable amounts of money. Just because a bunch of people threw pandemic money at J-Rod last year and didn’t spend as much on Yordan, it doesn’t exactly mean that it was the right long-term play or that Yordan is without hobby love. And while some of us appreciate how freaking good he is, it doesn’t mean that others are wise to hold a past knee problem and Carlos Beltran against him.


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[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

It's good to see him and his fellow peer in the 2020 rookie class doing so well!

Haha! I see what you did! Yes, it's good to see Bo, LouBob, and Yordan all playing well!

[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

We will accept the last Yordan fan, even as the first!

That's our new motto.

Exactly!

I never want to hear the term bandwagon with Yordan. Some fans, investors, collectors just have different circumstances and criteria and will join the Yordan club later.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

First off, people don’t always put their money into cards because they are making wise decisions based on their own critical thinking. They follow the market, or think that five-tool players are where it’s at, or they get all giddy when guys dance in the dugout. They’re not thinking about the fact that the two most important types of players in baseball are 1) the best hitters and 2) the best pitchers.

. The market has just been "wrong" on Yordan for years, sure sure. As his cards have tanked despite great performance. Damn that market who doesn't buy exactly based on who is the best hitter or pitcher! They are so stupid! The delusion here is nuts. You can pick up his flagship rookie card for a buck fifty. A dollar and fifty cents. 5 minutes of a Taco Bell shift. He's that cheap for very good reasons(none of which have to do with his bat)

[Archangel1775]

^---- You saved a new member $1.50 from buying a Topps Yordan RC. Congratulations.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by BBases31

. The market has just been "wrong" on Yordan for years, sure sure. As his cards have tanked despite great performance. Damn that market who doesn't buy exactly based on who is the best hitter or pitcher! They are so stupid! The delusion here is nuts. You can pick up his flagship rookie card for a buck fifty. A dollar and fifty cents. 5 minutes of a Taco Bell shift. He's that cheap for very good reasons(none of which have to do with his bat)

WTF are you talking about? Yordan's BCA is up 50% in a market that is down more than 50%. He's one of two or three guys who is up since the 2021 peak.

His 2020 crap is down because it's 2020 crap. Everybody's base PSA 10 RC has been pummeled over the last two years. I'd bet Yordan being only down 50% is one of the better performers in that area as well.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

WTF are you talking about?

To be fair, this isn’t exactly an original thought when dealing with this guy.


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[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Someone asked why no love. I answered. My apologies. Im sorry you're so sensitive.

Someone asked, and you answered...incorrectly. This thread typically responds to Yordan news...to both the good news and the rare occasion where there is bad news. So even if your thoughts on hobby love were true, it's still odd that nobody here posted about his HR.

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

This is where people show how silly they are. I never said the player sucks. He's a really great hitter. I never said anything differently. That's not enough for him to garner hobby love though. Its really simple and very direct. Several Alvarez investors just can't figure it out but dismiss every reason thats been given for years. But here we are again with the same question, that nobody can figure it out. Lol.

I mean I"ve figured it out to the tune of a 50% increase in a market that is down 50%. He's climbing the ranks, from the low 20s in the index to the mid teens as of OD2023.

Even though he's flat this year, he's still gaining ground because the big guns are still coming down. Wander is having a huge year (for him) and his cards have barely budged. Acuna is having a huge year and his prices might even be down! Vlad is flat (at best). Soto is down. I'm not sure (yet) about Tatis and Judge, but they sure is heck aren't exploding. Bo Bichette is down since OD and WAY DOWN from his offseason peak (albeit up slightly since November) and he got off to a huge start.

So yeah, the Yordan "gets no hobby love" trope is as false as ever.

[Twalk1975]

My favorite Yordan RC is the Series 1 SP. Think I paid $30 for mine in 2021, and thinking I'd overpaid at that time. I believe they go for about $45-$50 now. I don't understand using his flagship base RC as some sort of barometer for how he's doing. Why would anyone be buying those?

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by Twalk1975

My favorite Yordan RC is the Series 1 SP. Think I paid $30 for mine in 2021, and thinking I'd overpaid at that time. I believe they go for about $45-$50 now. I don't understand using his flagship base RC as some sort of barometer for how he's doing. Why would anyone be buying those?

People do that in the Wander thread too. It’s silly.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by BBases31

. The market has just been "wrong" on Yordan for years, sure sure. As his cards have tanked despite great performance. Damn that market who doesn't buy exactly based on who is the best hitter or pitcher! They are so stupid! The delusion here is nuts. You can pick up his flagship rookie card for a buck fifty. A dollar and fifty cents. 5 minutes of a Taco Bell shift. He's that cheap for very good reasons(none of which have to do with his bat)

Is there anyone since 2019 whose base paper rookie card is over $5?

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by atk825

Is there anyone since 2019 whose base paper rookie card is over $5?

Here you go. Last year’s hobby darling went for $5.75 and cheap shipping. But of course, it’s Update, so no additional factory-set flooding.




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[SupermanBrandon]

bass

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by Twalk1975

I don't understand using his flagship base RC as some sort of barometer for how he's doing. Why would anyone be buying those?

Why do people in this thread get so bothered when the price of his flagship rookie is mentioned?

[atk825]

Originally Posted by Twalk1975

My favorite Yordan RC is the Series 1 SP. Think I paid $30 for mine in 2021, and thinking I'd overpaid at that time. I believe they go for about $45-$50 now. I don't understand using his flagship base RC as some sort of barometer for how he's doing. Why would anyone be buying those?

I believe I have two regular and two mini versions of this card. I paid $40 in late 2021 then was able to snag one via auction for like $14 last offseason. Weird to see how much it has shot back up since then.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Why do people in this thread get so bothered when the price of his flagship rookie is mentioned?

Because no cares about mass overproduced base rookies regardless of the player.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Here you go. Last year’s hobby darling went for $5.75 and cheap shipping. But of course, it’s Update, so no additional factory-set flooding.




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thats not a bad sale for the seller for his third Flagship release!

[atk825]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

thats not a bad sale for the seller for his third Flagship release!

I honestly can't even keep track of which card is the it card for JRod. I guess it's the gatorade bath. It really seems like they got carried away last year. The golden mirror is a nice add because it streamlines photo variations to some extent.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by atk825

I honestly can't even keep track of which card is the it card for JRod. I guess it's the gatorade bath. It really seems like they got carried away last year. The golden mirror is a nice add because it streamlines photo variations to some extent.

yea, its pretty wild!

his First Flagship is in S2, Second in The Factory Set, then the Update is Third.

then you have the Monty Stamp Factory Set, the Update Gatorade Bath and the SSSP with Ichiro

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Why do people in this thread get so bothered when the price of his flagship rookie is mentioned?

For the same reason people don't stand behind horses and cows?

[atk825]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

yea, its pretty wild!

his First Flagship is in S2, Second in The Factory Set, then the Update is Third.

then you have the Monty Stamp Factory Set, the Update Gatorade Bath and the SSSP with Ichiro

Oh. The Ichiro is the one that will age the best. Obviously it being SSSP helps but any card with Ichiro like Ohtani's second year chrome SP really sell well.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Because no cares about mass overproduced base rookies regardless of the player.

You mean, like, it’s not relevant to everyone here who collects parallels, photo variations, autos, and other cards with some actual scarcity?


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[BBases31]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Because no cares about mass overproduced base rookies regardless of the player.

If no one cared, then they shouldn't get so bothered when someone mentions the price . But yea, no one cares about the first flagship rookie on a card forum! Good one!