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[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by jstephens24

Anyone find it weird that Obama vetoed the 9/11 bill? And then the senate had to vote to override him?

The 9/11 bill is a big cluster no matter how you slice it.

It's going to allow the families to sue Saudi Arabia. No matter how you feel about this, it set's an absolutely AWFUL precedence and could really upset one of our only allies in the Middle East.

On the other hand, these families have legitimate reasons to sue Saudi Arabia.

It's a tough spot for any President. Do you allow our citizens to sue one of our Middle Eastern Allies and potentially put our troops, citizens, and all the work we've accomplished in the Middle East at jeopardy?

The declassification of Saudi Arabia's involvement during the 9/11 attacks should have been an eye-opener for this country. The Bush administration classified that portion of the 9/11 report and Saudi Arabia's involvement in the attacks. Now that the "cat has been let out the bag" how we proceed as a country could actually change the course of history.

I stand behind the President on this one, as unfortunately the potential loss could be too great.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

The 9/11 bill is a big cluster no matter how you slice it.

It's going to allow the families to sue Saudi Arabia. No matter how you feel about this, it set's an absolutely AWFUL precedence and could really upset one of our only allies in the Middle East.

On the other hand, these families have legitimate reasons to sue Saudi Arabia.

It's a tough spot for any President. Do you allow our citizens to sue one of our Middle Eastern Allies and potentially put our troops, citizens, and all the work we've accomplished in the Middle East at jeopardy?

The declassification of Saudi Arabia's involvement during the 9/11 attacks should have been an eye-opener for this country. The Bush administration classified that portion of the 9/11 report and Saudi Arabia's involvement in the attacks. Now that the "cat has been let out the bag" how we proceed as a country could actually change the course of history.

I stand behind the President on this one, as unfortunately the potential loss could be too great.

I can see either side. What exactly have we accomplished in the middle east,
do tell.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by chezball

I can see either side. What exactly have we accomplished in the middle east,
do tell.

I'm probably just as lost as to what exactly we've "accomplished" as you honestly. I used that as sort of a catch-all phrase.

What I do believe is that now we HAVE to maintain a presence (even if it's through diplomacy with our allies) there as well as diplomatic relations with our allies in the Middle East. The ruling of the 9/11 bill could cause a rippling effect between us and Saudi Arabia for years to come and could potentially make a dangerous situation worse.

It benefits the USA to have some semblance of "law and order" in the Middle East, and Saudi Arabia helps us maintain that. After today's ruling and Congress overturning the President's decision it could potentially be a bad, bad, bad thing and one that's looked back in the history books as an earth-shattering bad decision by the worst Congress in US history.

I know it doesn't really answer your question Chez, but if nothing else we've accomplished a "safer" situation for Israel. Saudi Arabia helps us maintain Israel's safety. Regardless of what you believe on the US/Israeli friendship, we can all agree that destabilizing our Islamic Allies in the region could have bad consequences for not just Israel but the USA.

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by jstephens24

Anyone find it weird that Obama vetoed the 9/11 bill? And then the senate had to vote to override him?

Not really weird since he doesn't have to worry about the optics of "denying 9/11 families restitution" for a re-election campaign like Congress does. They've set a dangerous precedent all in the name of political brownie points. It basically opens the gates for foreigners to file suit against the U.S. for any and all of our international entanglements.

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by HillbillyCletus

If you're voting for Hillary simply to be "part of history" (once again), at least have the fortitude to admit that's the reason you're voting for her.

That's definitely a bonus for voting for Clinton.

Originally Posted by CrownCollector

I again will say Trump is an idiot, however, please tell me what Trump has done that lead to US citizens being tortured and murdered. He didn't pay a contractor every penny, worse then torture and murder? He (unproven yet) didn't pay all of his taxes, worse then torture and murder? He called Rosie a fat pig, worse then torture and murder?

Please, as an ex-officer in the military, tell me how our ex-Secretary of State's actions weren't as bad as what is lurking in the Donald's closet. Hell, forget all that other stuff, you're telling me anything Donald has done or been accused of (still unproven) is worse then Hillary destroying evidence, and your rational behind it is "she's not the first one to do it". Classic Democrat logic there, meh it's not the first time and won't be the last, sweep it under the rug and forget about it.

It's the difference between learning from your mistakes and being so self-absorbed that you can't even admit you've made a mistake.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

The 9/11 bill is a big cluster no matter how you slice it.

It's going to allow the families to sue Saudi Arabia. No matter how you feel about this, it set's an absolutely AWFUL precedence and could really upset one of our only allies in the Middle East.

On the other hand, these families have legitimate reasons to sue Saudi Arabia.

It's a tough spot for any President. Do you allow our citizens to sue one of our Middle Eastern Allies and potentially put our troops, citizens, and all the work we've accomplished in the Middle East at jeopardy?

The declassification of Saudi Arabia's involvement during the 9/11 attacks should have been an eye-opener for this country. The Bush administration classified that portion of the 9/11 report and Saudi Arabia's involvement in the attacks. Now that the "cat has been let out the bag" how we proceed as a country could actually change the course of history.

I stand behind the President on this one, as unfortunately the potential loss could be too great.

Honestly, I feel like we really do not have any Middle Eastern allies.

As highly as I think of President Obama, he didn't get this one right.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

Not saying people are wrong, but where are people seeing that Trump won the debate? Scientific polls, or just online polls? I saw an article saying Trump is touting unscientific polls, but scientific polls with more representative data/demographics show Clinton getting a bump. Just a random article on Twitter from a source I don't know, so no idea if accurate.


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Not sure how accurate this hand written list is (written yesterday morning), but it is pretty close to what I was seeing on the actual websites listed:




The handwritten list came from this article in the Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ll-endorse-it/


Yes, the polls were unscientific, but Time, CNBC, and CBSNY were pretty surprising.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by quackhead

Not sure how accurate this hand written list is (written yesterday morning), but it is pretty close to what I was seeing on the actual websites listed:




The handwritten list came from this article in the Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ll-endorse-it/


Yes, the polls were unscientific, but Time, CNBC, and CBSNY were pretty surprising.

Finish your 'O's.

[Clarka3]

hahaha Cracked.

Originally Posted by chezball

So the 33k missing e-mails don't bother you? Thirteen blackberries were destroyed and five ipads not to mention everyone taking the 5th except one person when questioned by Congress.

people mad about this but not mad about Tom Brady destroying his phones. Don't act like those people don't exist.

Originally Posted by chezball

The difference is she's running for president, the e-mails were destroyed while under subpoena to turn over all her e-mails. Key word there is "ALL"

Trumps running for Prez, too. I really find it distressing that he's afraid to release his tax returns, as EVERY candidate has done since Nixon. He's hiding something, and it's got to be pretty big to refuse to release them.

Originally Posted by jstephens24

So you don't think Congress would keep him in check?

are they going to put a gag in his mouth when he's not around them? Are htey going to shove their hands up his ass to work him like a puppet?

Look at how EVERYTHING Obama says is scrutinized. I legit don't think Trump's ego could handle it.

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by quackhead

Yes, the polls were unscientific, but Time, CNBC, and CBSNY were pretty surprising.

As surprising as this?


Seriously, online polls are completely useless.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by RossOK

As surprising as this?


Seriously, online polls are completely useless.

Lol! I bet Alex is fuming. In his defense he has a pretty large hostile group that follows him around just to piss him off. If you are a fan of Alex you are not picking Hillary in a poll.

[SanAntonioSpurs]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

people mad about this but not mad about Tom Brady destroying his phones. Don't act like those people don't exist.
.

You really just compared what Brady did to what Hillary did? Huge difference, a text about deflating vs national security? I've heard it all now.

[xbignick]

Originally Posted by xbignick

LOL

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/co...tons_tech_guy/

"Hello all- I may be facing a very interesting situation where I need to strip out a VIP's (VERY VIP) email address from a bunch of archived email that I have both in a live Exchange mailbox, as well as a PST file. Basically, they don't want the VIP's email address exposed to anyone, and want to be able to either strip out or replace the email address in the to/from fields in all of the emails we want to send out.
I am not sure if something like this is possible with PowerShell, or exporting all of the emails to MSG and doing find/replaces with a batch processing program of some sort.
Does anyone have experience with something like this, and/or suggestions on how this might be accomplished?"

House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server | TheHill

Originally Posted by xbignick

Why did it take a user from pol or reddit to find this when there was an 'investigation'?

Originally Posted by Clarka3

I have no reason to doubt that this did happen because i DO think some fishy stuff was hidden, but i'm also dubious until it's picked up and investigated further (if only because it originated on reddit)

On Wednesday, Comey confirmed investigators believe it was Combetta, an IT specialist with Platte River Networks, who authored the posts.

What a joke of an investigation.

Moment where Comey realized Combetta lied while under immunity deal

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c46223...-lied-immunity

[jarrodsalas]

Forbes Welcome

Obamacare continues to be a slow-motion train wreck. An analysis by Charles Gaba (an ACA supporter) shows that average premium increases in the non-group market will average 24% for 2017. Last month’s decision by Aetna AET +0.45% (the nation’s third largest insurer) to dump 80% of its Obamacare subscribers for 2017 came on the heels of the decision by UnitedHealth (the nation’s largest health insurer) to likewise cut back enormously on its participation in the Obamacare exchanges (3 states in 2017 vs. 34 states this year). Yet another of the nation’s “big 5″ health insurers, Humana HUM -0.36%, will offer coverage in just 156 counties in 2017, 88 percent fewer than this year.

So it probably should not be a surprise to learn that last month a survey by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York found that 20.9% of manufacturing firms in the state said they were employing fewer workers because of Obamacare, while 16.8% of respondents in the service sector said the same.

I have felt the effects of this recently.

[Astros19]

I believe this election has changed the way a lot of Americans feel about the media.
Before Fox news came about there was only one sided news, and now people are seeing the differences between ultra conservative news outlets versus ultra liberal news outlets.
A lot of folks are sick of being duped.
In the end, I tend to believe the liberal media may do more damage towards Hillary than help.


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[Panthersfans]

Originally Posted by rman112

That one is fairly easy. This year's election is more about the established way of politics vs. a newcomer that threatens how things are done than it is Republican vs. Democrat. The media puts out Trump hit piece after Trump hit piece, and they're moving so fast to churn them out they trip over their own feet. Why do you think mostly everything against Trump from the MSM is a personal jab?.

This guy gets it. Screw both parties. Sick of the Washington good ole boys club.

[CrownCollector]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

Forbes Welcome

Obamacare continues to be a slow-motion train wreck. An analysis by Charles Gaba (an ACA supporter) shows that average premium increases in the non-group market will average 24% for 2017. Last month’s decision by Aetna AET +0.45% (the nation’s third largest insurer) to dump 80% of its Obamacare subscribers for 2017 came on the heels of the decision by UnitedHealth (the nation’s largest health insurer) to likewise cut back enormously on its participation in the Obamacare exchanges (3 states in 2017 vs. 34 states this year). Yet another of the nation’s “big 5″ health insurers, Humana HUM -0.36%, will offer coverage in just 156 counties in 2017, 88 percent fewer than this year.

So it probably should not be a surprise to learn that last month a survey by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York found that 20.9% of manufacturing firms in the state said they were employing fewer workers because of Obamacare, while 16.8% of respondents in the service sector said the same.

I have felt the effects of this recently.

Only a few more months and he will be gone forever and so will this horse crap he forced down everyone's throat. No matter who gets elected, one of the first things they will do is flush this in the crapper where it belongs.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by CrownCollector

Only a few more months and he will be gone forever and so will this horse crap he forced down everyone's throat. No matter who gets elected, one of the first things they will do is flush this in the crapper where it belongs.

She defends the ACA and has said she wants to "fix" it and "go further" with it.

[GoBeavs]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

Forbes Welcome

Obamacare continues to be a slow-motion train wreck. An analysis by Charles Gaba (an ACA supporter) shows that average premium increases in the non-group market will average 24% for 2017. Last month’s decision by Aetna AET +0.45% (the nation’s third largest insurer) to dump 80% of its Obamacare subscribers for 2017 came on the heels of the decision by UnitedHealth (the nation’s largest health insurer) to likewise cut back enormously on its participation in the Obamacare exchanges (3 states in 2017 vs. 34 states this year). Yet another of the nation’s “big 5″ health insurers, Humana HUM -0.36%, will offer coverage in just 156 counties in 2017, 88 percent fewer than this year.

So it probably should not be a surprise to learn that last month a survey by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York found that 20.9% of manufacturing firms in the state said they were employing fewer workers because of Obamacare, while 16.8% of respondents in the service sector said the same.

I have felt the effects of this recently.

What's so sad is he had a ton of political goodwill after his election/inauguration that he could have pushed through any number of great bills that would help the country.

Yet this is what he spent it on.

[pac213up]

PredictWise – PredictWise is for Informational Purposes only.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by pac213up

Trump's polling numbers continue to be horrific across the board.

RealClearPolitics - Opinion, News, Analysis, Video and Polls

Originally Posted by pac213up

PredictWise – PredictWise is for Informational Purposes only.

Do you only pick a poll that satisfies you at the moment?

What about 538? You give up one that one also?

Crafty.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

Forbes Welcome

Obamacare continues to be a slow-motion train wreck. An analysis by Charles Gaba (an ACA supporter) shows that average premium increases in the non-group market will average 24% for 2017. Last month’s decision by Aetna AET +0.45% (the nation’s third largest insurer) to dump 80% of its Obamacare subscribers for 2017 came on the heels of the decision by UnitedHealth (the nation’s largest health insurer) to likewise cut back enormously on its participation in the Obamacare exchanges (3 states in 2017 vs. 34 states this year). Yet another of the nation’s “big 5″ health insurers, Humana HUM -0.36%, will offer coverage in just 156 counties in 2017, 88 percent fewer than this year.

So it probably should not be a surprise to learn that last month a survey by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York found that 20.9% of manufacturing firms in the state said they were employing fewer workers because of Obamacare, while 16.8% of respondents in the service sector said the same.

I have felt the effects of this recently.

The ACA will be done in two years, there goes his so called legacy. Anyone with a brain knew this was a job killer.

[chezball]

[QUOTE=Clarka3;11448706]hahaha Cracked.






people mad about this but not mad about Tom Brady destroying his phones. Don't act like those people don't exist.


HTF does brady's phone get into the thread?




Trumps running for Prez, too. I really find it distressing that he's afraid to release his tax returns, as EVERY candidate has done since Nixon. He's hiding something, and it's got to be pretty big to refuse to release them.

E-mails destroyed while under subpoena and you're worried about tax returns
This e-mail thing isn't going away, so if you vote for her you better like kaine because he probably be the pres. before her term is over.
Also can't wait until Pence destroys him in the debate.

[Nicnac]

[CrownCollector]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

She defends the ACA and has said she wants to "fix" it and "go further" with it.

You actually believe her? Everyone knows this was one of the worst things ever put into place by a President, if elected she will flush it and start over.