2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[jarrodsalas]

New 538 numbers out 10 minutes ago. Slight move Trump's direction. Shocking.

[TOMBB25]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

One odd observation...why did they spend 10 minutes on the birther issue and not one mention of immigration? I know Trump said Holt did a good job, but it just seemed strange that there were questions about the birther issue, tax returns, and Howard Stern, but nary a question about emails, Benghazi, or deplorables.

Calling Trump supporters deplorable = non issue
Calling Rosie fat = bigger issue

There was nothing bipartisan about the debate and I don't think we are gonna see one. Also, I don't believe a moderator can control either of these candidates.

[ArsonCuff]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

He did fine and America agrees with me.

Huh? How would THAT have anything to do with my making fun of "Donald Trump" wasn't ready whining? Donald did fine, American agrees, he needs a pat on the head, goo'bahbee Donald Twump, youse goo'baby, you do good job against crooky politicians.

[mikecamp99]

Originally Posted by Ephland

Politicians are held accountable for the dumb sh!t they say.

And what exactly has Hilary been held accountable for? She is getting the free pass here because no one can stand Trump, which is too bad because there is a lot of sh!t she needs to be held accountable for. But we will brush that too the side.

[zachtruitt]

Well since my parents went to schools that were still segregated in the late 60's and now we have a black President. I would say that things have come a long way. Things aren't perfect and will never be, but things are better now than ever. Some people don't think that's true and long for the good ol' days that never were.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by ArsonCuff

Huh? How would THAT have anything to do with my making fun of "Donald Trump" wasn't ready whining? Donald did fine, American agrees, he needs a pat on the head, goo'bahbee Donald Twump, youse goo'baby, you do good job against crooky politicians.

Your comment was awesome. High five. Anything else you would like to add?

[ArsonCuff]

Originally Posted by TOMBB25

Calling Trump supporters deplorable = non issue
Calling Rosie fat = bigger issue

There was nothing bipartisan about the debate and I don't think we are gonna see one. Also, I don't believe a moderator can control either of these candidates.

Here's the thing about the deplorable that gets me...she should not have attacked voters, ..true...but people taking the word deplorable as a badge of honor lack some comprehension skills....she said HALF of his supporters were deplorable....HALF....and then she described deplorable as racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic...therefore, if one runs with THAT deplorable and is excited to say that they are deplorable, they are literally stating, by definition of the quote they are using, that they are racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic

[tennelson55]

I'm currently taking American politics and we listened to a major lecture today by our professor. He thought Clinton won, but that the moderator favored Clinton as well because the moderator didn't press her as much as they pressed trump.
American history shows that debates don't sway the vote of a voter often, but this could and can be changed.

I thought trump would reveal his true colors and I don't think it's bad if he does. Clinton is about conforming to a standard and that standard is ??????? She's waffling on everything and not being firm, but trump is one of the firmest people you'll meet

[jstephens24]

ArsonCuff I am glad you found this thread. You are bringing a lot of facts to the table

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by CrownCollector

It was a total setup by Clinton, Holt, and Trump was not prepared because he's not a politician. Holt had an agenda and made it clear as day. Just like Sanders, total set up by the Dems and "special interests" because if there's one thing Clinton has proven it's that money talks and she can be bought.

he still should have prepared. his lack of preparation is a failing on his part, by not surrounding himself with advisers that would prepare him properly for what one of these debates would entail.

Originally Posted by CrownCollector

Which means what exactly? Republicans can think for themselves and don't toe the company line because they are Republican? You see, that's the Democratic way, not the Republican way. You need no more proof than Obama and Sanders who endorsed the woman they both can't stand. And why is that? Because they know if they don't endorse the Dem, their privileged lives will be over.

take the blinders off, that's both sides of the establishment, not just the left.

Originally Posted by Onions

People should take the responsibility for their own welfare. The sooner they stop expecting government to do this for them, the better.

not a fair comment. I can take care of my family. if the president drags us into a war, that is literally out of my control.

Originally Posted by ensbergcollecto

by one websites tally, holt interrupted trump 41 times and hillary 7

this is misleading- they are counting the times Holt tried to get both people to move along. Trump kept talking to finish his point. Holt would say "10 seconds to respond before we have to move on" and Trump would get long-winded. so a VERY large majority of the Trump interruptions were "we need to move on" to both candidates.





bottom line, Trump needs to prepare better. It blows my mind that this ended up with a bump for him, but i'm no expert. Imagine how big the bump would be if dude prepared properly.

[Scottish Punk]

There has been some good comments in this thread mixed in with some obvious swallowing of partisan talking points. We all have our bias and that is ok.

Here my 2-5 cents on the debate.

If I had to pick a "winner" of this debate it would depend on your definition of win. Trying to actually discuss issues and facts - Clinton. Doing the most to help their campaign - Trump. I thought Clinton's performance wasn't sharp, Trump left multiple openings for her to really nail down facts or be the better candidate and she failed. She stuck to scripted politic talk. Asking people to go fact-check later is giving the audience too much credit in following up. I felt like she was ready to pounce than gave a long-winded answer that didn't say much.

Donald didn't come across as bad as most people probably envisioned. Yes, he interrupted more than he should, but he did seem to come in prepared for the questions. Maybe Clinton under-estimated him, I do agree that she seems to be playing "prevent defense" from the get go (even with Bernie) assuming she has the election won. I did chuckle when Trump said he had the temperance to be president while interrupting and saying wrong and making faces like a child.

It did seem Holt was harder on Trump and held him to task much more than Clinton. I would give him a big fail for the night. Between that and letting the candidates go on out of order, he lost control at times.

In the end, I don't think this debate swayed to much voters, but it was a big opportunity lost for Clinton. All she had to do was come across as the informed, experienced, adult in the room. She is just so darn unlikable and her body language reeks of entitlement and hidden agendas it is hard to get on board with what she says. Trump it doesn't matter what he says, it just seems to bounce off and his voters love him even more. This is one crazy election.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

he still should have prepared. his lack of preparation is a failing on his part, by not surrounding himself with advisers that would prepare him properly for what one of these debates would entail.



take the blinders off, that's both sides of the establishment, not just the left.




not a fair comment. I can take care of my family. if the president drags us into a war, that is literally out of my control.




this is misleading- they are counting the times Holt tried to get both people to move along. Trump kept talking to finish his point. Holt would say "10 seconds to respond before we have to move on" and Trump would get long-winded. so a VERY large majority of the Trump interruptions were "we need to move on" to both candidates.





bottom line, Trump needs to prepare better. It blows my mind that this ended up with a bump for him, but i'm no expert. Imagine how big the bump would be if dude prepared properly.

How was he not prepared? For not attacking her on issues he should have? He answered every question... and yes, he did run off course a few times but I don't see how he was not prepared.

[CrownCollector]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

he still should have prepared. his lack of preparation is a failing on his part, by not surrounding himself with advisers that would prepare him properly for what one of these debates would entail

Wow, can't believe there's something we can agree on, high five. This is why he will not be President, if you want to be President you have to know how to play the political game better then your opponent. He doesn't have the experience or chops to argue points with a career politician. She's cold, heartless, and knows how to dismiss the truly important issues, i.e. she's a much better liar, it's what she does for a living.

[GeechQuest]

Not that it matters but I think both actually "won".

Clinton looks more prepared for the job. That is obvious and shouldn't shock anyone and I think most people realize that. She may not be the "best" for the job, but compared to Donald Trump she is obviously more prepared. If you were looking for that, Clinton won the debate. Unfortunate for her, reiterating what people already know to be true won't sway the voters.

Donald Trump didn't blow a fuse which is what people tuned in for. This is a win for him since one of the biggest knocks on Trump is his temperament. He seemed composed for most of the debate. The voters on the fence probably had this take away and I think that would be enough to swing votes his way.

So I'd say both "won", it just really depends what you were looking for.

[CrownCollector]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

How was he not prepared? For not attacking her on issues he should have? He answered every question... and yes, he did run off course a few times but I don't see how he was not prepared.

To be fair, a real Republican (or any other) politician would have chewed her up and made her look bad last night. She opened the door wide which was unintentional on her part but she was flustered, and he failed to take advantage. A real politician would have hammered her in her "mistake" comment, and would have found a way to get in the real issue jabs about her emails, attorneys commiting fraud, Benghazi, immigration, and taking money from countries who support rape and stoning women. So, fact is he was not prepared and if he was, we would have mopped the floor with her because she gave him every opportunity to do so.

[ArsonCuff]

During the debate I laughed pretty hard on two occassions:

1. Trump's 400lb hacker, ha ha ha ha oh, how I laughed assuming the Tweets and memes to follow were going to be hilarious.

2. Gary Johnson following along with the debate and Tweeting his answers and comments...at one point he Tweeted: I just left to go to the bathroom, came back, didn't miss a thing.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Trump is a business man running for President. I feel like people forget that. He used the laws to his advantage to turn a profit. There is nothing wrong with that. If you feel the laws are flawed, blame the politicians including Clinton and her husband.

Why is that when Donald Trump finds a way to evade taxes we call him a smart business man using his savy skills. But just a few pages ago, one of the arguments was that mexans evade taxes and send money to Mexico and we need to stop that? How are the 2 different?

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Why is that when Donald Trump finds a way to evade taxes we call him a smart business man using his savy skills. But just a few pages ago, one of the arguments was that mexans evade taxes and send money to Mexico and we need to stop that? How are the 2 different?

The tax revenue from the Trump Organization is huge for the US. Let's put that to rest please.

I think it was touched on last night but he said he followed laws that benefited him

[Burks]

Trump was more worried about not being a hot head and being composed he missed some golden opportunities. I think he was trying to show he doesn't always have to be the over the top guys.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Why is that when Donald Trump finds a way to evade taxes we call him a smart business man using his savy skills. But just a few pages ago, one of the arguments was that mexans evade taxes and send money to Mexico and we need to stop that? How are the 2 different?

Illegal immigrants, who shouldn't be here, cheat their taxes to avoid paying a dime. They also drain our economy, health care, and schools.

Trump, by following the law, is able to reduce his tax bill.

Lawfully and unlawfully mean 2 different things.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

How was he not prepared? For not attacking her on issues he should have? He answered every question... and yes, he did run off course a few times but I don't see how he was not prepared.

He answered every question? So why is it he won't make his taxes public? I'm pretty sure that was a big question that was asked.

[irfuji]

Originally Posted by CrownCollector

To be fair, a real Republican (or any other) politician would have chewed her up and made her look bad last night. She opened the door wide which was unintentional on her part but she was flustered, and he failed to take advantage. A real politician would have hammered her in her "mistake" comment, and would have found a way to get in the real issue jabs about her emails, attorneys commiting fraud, Benghazi, immigration, and taking money from countries who support rape and stoning women. So, fact is he was not prepared and if he was, we would have mopped the floor with her because she gave him every opportunity to do so.

I would agree with this.

I think Hillary won, but she certainly did not impress me with her performance. Donald didn't win, but at the same time the massive implosion everyone thought was imminent didn't happen either.

Hillary is a horrendous politician. Much more obvious about her loyalties and I strongly disagree with a vast number of her decisions, policies, and viewpoint on pretty much everything besides the general Democratic viewpoint of race and the LGBT community.

Trump still scares me 100x more than Hillary though. He takes everything I think people knock Hillary on (lying, able to be bought, corrupt, etc.) and magnifies those qualities tremendously. His thin skin shows he can be easily manipulated and his comments about economics, military policy, worldwide policy, and nuclear policy concern me. If he wins I don't think it will make America great again, it will make HIM greater and everyone else weaker.

Look at what happened when Congress didn't want to raise the debt ceiling. Just the mere uncertainty that the US Treasury would default on its debt resulted in a 600+ point drop in the Dow. Uncertainty causes panic and has monstrous repercussions. Now imagine what would happen with Donald Trump at the helm spouting off insane nonsense borne of a massive lack of understanding and willingness to listen to expert advice.

[ArsonCuff]

After all the Stop and Frisk talk, I can't wait for Mike Pence at the VP debate to unveil the Warrantless Bedroom Peepshow Initiative.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by ArsonCuff

After all the Stop and Frisk talk, I can't wait for Mike Pence at the VP debate to unveil the Warrantless Bedroom Peepshow Initiative.

That was lovely. Stop and Frisk is, in my opinion, horrendous. I would have to be arrested before I would be frisked for no reason.

[jarrodsalas]

Quite a crowd waiting on Trump's plane in Melbourne Florida.