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Old 12-13-2020, 11:22 AM   #67576
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You lose me when you try to discredit Trump as a success. Real estate tycoon, billionaire, fornicates with supermodels and playmates, Time Person of the Year, US President, WWE Hall of Fame, best selling author, and many more I’m forgetting or unaware of.

Now you guys list your achievements. You adopted a cat and made honor roll in middle school, and now have a stellar .500 record in forum debates in BO the politics thread. Impressive. Some real winners around here.
Ding ding ding. It's funny to watch people on here or anywhere act like Trump is a failure in life. He's infinitely more successful than anyone on here, yet half the people act like he has never accomplished a thing. Really funny to read.
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Old 12-13-2020, 11:27 AM   #67577
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This isn't on Newsom, or anyone mandating staying home, or masks, etc.

The politicians are following the will of the people here, not the other way around.
If all businesses decided to be fully open for in-person customers tomorrow, movies, concerts, sporting events, clubs, everything, how could any government stop them all? They couldn't.

The problem is the majority of the people out here largely still won't turn out to things in the numbers needed to make opening many of those things worthwhile, and where the people would, indoor restaurants and the like, the increased transmission of the virus between them would just effectively shut down that enterprise, as we've seen time and again, most recently with cruise ships.

Things haven't changed much since late March. It's simple. Once people feel they aren't going to catch it in a crowd, there will be crowds again. No one can force a majority of people to stay away from each other (or conversely gather together). They're mostly deciding what they do on their own.
I present to you BS exhibit A
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Old 12-13-2020, 11:28 AM   #67578
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You do know he has over 500 not-failed businesses, no? It is a better success rate than most entrepreneurs.
When you have TDS you focus on the negatives, TDS 101.
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Old 12-13-2020, 11:28 AM   #67579
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Ding ding ding. It's funny to watch people on here or anywhere act like Trump is a failure in life. He's infinitely more successful than anyone on here, yet half the people act like he has never accomplished a thing. Really funny to read.
Not to mention paving the road to Peace in the Middle East
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Old 12-13-2020, 11:29 AM   #67580
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You lose me when you try to discredit Trump as a success. Real estate tycoon, billionaire, fornicates with supermodels and playmates, Time Person of the Year, US President, WWE Hall of Fame, best selling author, and many more I’m forgetting or unaware of.

Now you guys list your achievements. You adopted a cat and made honor roll in middle school, and now have a stellar .500 record in forum debates in BO the politics thread. Impressive. Some real winners around here.
He had a few successes but it's not that hard when you are given millions of dollars in the 70s and 80s by daddy all while still being in debt to God knows who. Trump worked hard in his privileged life as a grifter and liar, all the while paying off pornstars concurrently cheating on his 3 wives.

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Old 12-13-2020, 11:33 AM   #67581
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Also ... neutral. HAHAHAHAHA.

Apply GOP logic to this...since when do accusations and investigations equal guilt?

Remember Russia? Collusion? Mueller Investigation? Hypocrites...
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Old 12-13-2020, 11:34 AM   #67582
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This is completely hypocritical. You’re telling me that I’m oblivious cause I believe in the man in the sky and with ZERO science you haven’t been able to tell me any evidence why your assessment is right. If anything, I should be skeptical of you. You have made an assertion with ZERO evidence. I never said you should believe me because I have as much evidence as you. But that doesn’t make me oblivious to reality since it’s unproven and it will never be proven.
The bolded is absolutely true. You 100% should be skeptical of me. Why wouldn't you be?

This is one of my favorite quotes of all time:

"Any belief system that can't stand up to scrutiny isn't worth having."

- Carl Sagan

He was talking about the theories of life on other worlds when he said it, but it applies to lots of things. Be skeptical. Please. I wish more people were. There would be a lot less Trumpers if that was the case.

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Old 12-13-2020, 11:34 AM   #67583
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He had a few successes but it's not that hard when you are given millions of dollars in the 70s and 80s by daddy all while still being in debt to God knows who. Trump worked hard in his privileged life as a grifter and liar, all the while paying off pornstars concurrently cheating on his 3 wives.

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Old 12-13-2020, 11:35 AM   #67584
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He had a few successes but it's not that hard when you are given millions of dollars in the 70s and 80s by daddy all while still being in debt to God knows who. Trump worked hard in his privileged life as a grifter and liar, all the while paying off pornstars concurrently cheating on his 3 wives.

Seriously, what has Trump accomplished? Daddy left him some money and a bunch of lucrative properties and venture opportunities...he ran most of them into the ground, has had multiple failed marriages, and will go down as one of the worst presidents in US history...some accomplishments, LOL
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Old 12-13-2020, 11:36 AM   #67585
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Apply GOP logic to this...since when do accusations and investigations equal guilt?

Remember Russia? Collusion? Mueller Investigation? Hypocrites...
Guilt, no. But here we have 100x more evidence and proof than we had in the Russia investigation, most of which provided by Hunter Biden and his associates. On the record interviews, tax statements, money transferred between China and Biden, etc.

To claim the allegations are baseless is PR. They're very based.
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Old 12-13-2020, 11:37 AM   #67586
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There you have it folks, act three. So you two options:
1) grab your popcorn and enjoy the show or
2) grab your binky and find a nice warm corner to curl into and think "I can't believe chezball was right"
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Old 12-13-2020, 11:39 AM   #67587
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He had a few successes but it's not that hard when you are given millions of dollars in the 70s and 80s by daddy all while still being in debt to God knows who. Trump worked hard in his privileged life as a grifter and liar, all the while paying off pornstars concurrently cheating on his 3 wives.

Let’s see your resume.
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Day 40 and she hasn't given up her seat.
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Guilt, no. But here we have 100x more evidence and proof than we had in the Russia investigation, most of which provided by Hunter Biden and his associates. On the record interviews, tax statements, money transferred between China and Biden, etc.



To claim the allegations are baseless is PR. They're very based.
Not looking good for Hunter, but I'll reserve judgement until I've seen more and he's had a chance to defend himself.

Personally, I don't see it as particularly relevant unless Daddy can be tied to it. That would be a problem.

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Let’s see your resume.
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Old 12-13-2020, 11:42 AM   #67591
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Watch out guys, that storm is taking like two years to get here. Better watch out. Like, for real.
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Old 12-13-2020, 11:43 AM   #67592
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Not looking good for Hunter, but I'll reserve judgement until I've seen more and he's had a chance to defend himself.

Personally, I don't see it as particularly relevant unless Daddy can be tied to it. That would be a problem.

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Should the investigation yield a charge; you don't believe the son of the Vice President getting indicted for money laundering w/ China while Dad was US #2 is relevant?

No biggie? LOL.
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right after your beatoff 20x a day?
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Old 12-13-2020, 11:45 AM   #67594
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Let's check Merriam Webster!







Hmmm. I don't see anything that helps you here; are you suggesting that every lawsuit filed is an attack? Like these dudes at MW need to update their synonym list for lawsuit with "attack"?



"The recent attack filed in Clark County NV is asking the court to consider ..."
There is a reason the party being sued is referred to as the defendant, his attorney is the defense attorney, and they present a defense.

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Old 12-13-2020, 11:48 AM   #67595
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Should the investigation yield a charge; you don't believe the son of the Vice President getting indicted for money laundering w/ China while Dad was US #2 is relevant?

No biggie? LOL.
Well it's relevant to Hunter, sure. If Joe was part of it, fry the mfer. If he wasn't, it shouldn't affect his presidency. More likely it will remain unclear whether he was involved or if he knew and looked the other way. That could be a problem as well.

But to answer the direct question, if Joe wasn't involved then yeah, no big deal.

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There you have it folks, act three. So you two options:
1) grab your popcorn and enjoy the show or
2) grab your binky and find a nice warm corner to curl into and think "I can't believe chezball was right"
Wait, what was Act Three?
And what was Act One and Act Two?
Can I get an extra Playbill?
And do you validate parking?

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Day 40 and she hasn't given up her seat.
She'll do that a couple of days before she's sworn in as Vice President, just like the last couple of Senators to become VP.

Less than 40 days until you deactivate your account.
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right after your beatoff 20x a day?
What are we children?
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Well it's relevant to Hunter, sure. If Joe was part of it, fry the mfer. If he wasn't, it shouldn't affect his presidency. More likely it will remain unclear whether he was involved or if he knew and looked the other way. That could be a problem as well.

But to answer the direct question, if Joe wasn't involved then yeah, no big deal.

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Bobulinski fella laid it out.

MSM ran cover and colluded to help Joe get over the finish line.
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What are we children?
You do tend to display traits of someone living in a fantasy world...
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Wait, what was Act Three?
And what was Act One and Act Two?
Can I get an extra Playbill?
And do you validate parking?



She'll do that a couple of days before she's sworn in as Vice President, just like the last couple of Senators to become VP.

Less than 40 days until you deactivate your account.
I miss you already.
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