Luka Doncic Questionable Autograph Analysis

[theLUCKYshow]

Looking closer (and you guys are going to love this!) at some of the cards already signed in that UD video, several arent so scribbly like his Next Day or early Panini autos. Some (and yes its super grainy) look quite l u l u like.

Were all cards shown signed in front of UD representatives?

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[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Some examples of his sticker autos from 2017-18. Different scale than his Panini sticker autos but not scribbled either. Actually these autos are quite similar to many of his on-card Panini autos.

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Yes, those sticker autos look are his early autos from 2016 where he inscribes the number 7 as well. They are much different from the loopy Lulu autos. Are there any 2018 sticker autos where the L's are not loopy and u looks like n?

[adam711]

Originally Posted by cp312

No, because that's irrelevant. It's faulty logic.

If anything that makes it even more likely to be a different signer. In the videos regardless of speed it doesn't come out remotely like the lulus.

Yes and no. It’s so easy anyone could be signing for him, but it could also just as easily be him signing his first two letters twice because of how simple it is. I would be more worried if it was a distinct signature not easily replicated that’s nowhere near IP autos.

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Yes, those sticker autos look are his early autos from 2016 where he inscribes the number 7 as well. They are much different from the loopy Lulu autos. Are there any 2018 sticker autos where the L's are not loopy and u looks like n?

Ive seen quite a few sticker autos w the downward u:

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[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Ive seen quite a few sticker autos w the downward u:

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All of them have looy L's. The sticker auto that I have also has a loopy L and a clear U

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Looking closer (and you guys are going to love this!) at some of the cards already signed in that UD video, several arent so scribbly like his Next Day or early Panini autos. Some (and yes its super grainy) look quite l u l u like.

Were all cards shown signed in front of UD representatives?

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This is a better pic. Some cards look l u l u, others don't. At the very least the photo below shows how varied Luka's auto can be. Its much more varied than most of his Panini autos per product but this could be explained by how low the signing area on the lace swatches are.
EDIT: Can someone actually get a better quality zoomed in shot of the top left card? Asking for a friend.

This pic has actually restored my faith that Luka signs all of his autos. It was always hard to imagine why Luka would allow this to be filmed if he had indeed staged his own signing just a few months prior.

[rogermaris]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

This pic has actually restored my faith that Luka signs all of his autos. It was always hard to imagine why Luka would allow this to be filmed if he had indeed staged his own signing just a few months prior.

Lucky... c'mon man. I know you've been defending Luka from the start and I know you really don't want it to be true. But this is just willful ignorance at this point.

These autos do not match the questionable loopy lulu autos. They match ALL his witnessed autos. Anyone with eyes can see that. You might as well claim the sky is purple at this point.

EDIT: Also, I know you like posting images (which is great), but can you please start resizing them? It makes the thread very difficult to parse. I've also posted most of these images before and have already resized them if you want to use those -- you can find them in my previous posts.

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

Lucky... c'mon man. I know you've been defending Luka from the start and I know you really don't want it to be true. But this is just willful ignorance at this point.

These autos do not match the questionable loopy lulu autos. They match ALL his witnessed autos. Anyone with eyes can see that. You might as well claim the sky is purple at this point.

EDIT: Also, I know you like posting images (which is great), but can you please start resizing them? It makes the thread very difficult to parse. I've also posted most of these images before and have already resized them if you want to use those -- you can find them in my previous posts.

Cant stop, wont stop...

Sorry about the photos. I post through tapatalk and dont know how to resize.

So rogermaris you really think this doesnt look l u l u like? C'mon man, who's really being willfully ignorant if you dont see it.

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[theleica]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Cant stop, wont stop...

Sorry about the photos. I post through tapatalk and dont know how to resize.

So rogermaris you really think this doesnt look l u l u like? C'mon man, who's really being willfully ignorant if you dont see it.

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No one sees it but you. You are unconvinced. It's fine.

[rogermaris]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

So rogermaris you really think this doesnt look l u l u like? C'mon man, who's really being willfully ignorant if you dont see it.

First of all, neither of us can tell much from that image. Secondly, from what I can see that autograph still looks totally different from the questionable lulu signatures, which are extremely loopy and have completely different zonal proportions.

Ultimately though, your goal seems to be to find one witnessed autograph that resembles one the thousands of unwitnessed questionable signatures. When you do this, you are not acting as a scientist but as a defense lawyer looking to create doubt wherever you can.

I could just as easily claim the telephone pole outside my house is actually tree. I could post a photo of a tree without any branches and claim that it is proof that my telephone pole is also a tree.

But when you look at a group of trees together and a group of telephone poles, it becomes immediately clear that they are not the same thing. The same is true when you look at ANY group of Luka's witnessed signatures and compare them to ANY group of unwitnessed signatures from Panini

[KhalDrogo]

Amazing that even video proof isn’t enough evidence for some people.

[rogermaris]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Amazing that even video proof isn’t enough evidence for some people.

Some people also believe the world is flat. The refusal to acknowledge and accept the evidence is very similar.

And to be fair, I had a feeling Lucky would be the last holdout. I'm sure pgisback would be posting right along side him were it not for his ban...

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Amazing that even video proof isn’t enough evidence for some people.

So you also think this:looks more like this:than this?

And people are saying Im in denial. WAKE UP PEOPLE!! Either his mom (or someone else) signed one card and then Luka signed the next one considering the card to the right is scribbly style... or he signs all of his autos. That simple.



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[theleica]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

So you also think this:looks more like this:than this?

And people are saying Im in denial. WAKE UP PEOPLE!! Either his mom signed one card and then Luka signed the next one or he signs all of his autos. That simple.



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The top 2 match. The bottom one doesn't.

[pcptrade]

This is my card. To me this does not look like his IP auto based on the clear U despite the long and non-loopy L. This auto looks different than the sticker auto. Are there two people other than Luka signing his cards

2018-19 LUKA DONCIC PANINI CONTENDERS VARIATIONS RC# 122 FINALS TICKET #21 of 25 BGS 9 AUTO 10 by pcp trade, on Flickr

[Deadshot]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Looking closer ...

[rogermaris]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

And people are saying Im in denial. WAKE UP PEOPLE!! Either his mom signed one card and then Luka signed the next one considering the card to the right is scribbly style... or he signs all of his autos. That simple.

Top two have similar slant and zonal proportions. Bottom one is written by a different hand. You are seeing what you want to see.

You're also cherry picking the evidence to find some kernels of plausible deniability while simultaneously ignoring the Everest-sized mountain of evidence looming over you.

This is a classic psychological response to something true that you just don't want to accept.

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

Lol i deserved that one. I did post a better shot.

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[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

This is a classic psychological response to something true that you just don't want to accept.

I feel the exact same way towards you right now. I still have respect for you though.

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[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

Top two have similar slant and zonal proportions. Bottom one is written by a different hand. You are seeing what you want to see.

You're also cherry picking the evidence to find some kernels of plausible deniability while simultaneously ignoring the Everest-sized mountain of evidence looming over you.

This is a classic psychological response to something true that you just don't want to accept.

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

I feel the exact same way towards you right now. I still have respect for you though.

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Confirmation bias

[rogermaris]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

This is my card. To me this does not look like his IP auto based on the clear U despite the long and non-loopy L. This auto looks different than the sticker auto. Are there two people other than Luka signing his cards

The zonal proportions and slant on that card are basically identical to all the other questionable autographs that are done on card.

The questionable sticker autos are slightly different than the on card autos in that they are scrunched a little to fit the sticker. They still match the handwriting of the questionable on card autographs, however.

[theLUCKYshow]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Confirmation bias

True. Superdan should come in here and make a ruling.

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[fitch123]

Pretty girly signature IMO


Not saying the Luka's are real, but some of the ridiculous/irrational "proof" in here is a bit much.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

The zonal proportions and slant on that card are basically identical to all the other questionable autographs that are done on card.

The questionable sticker autos are slightly different than the on card autos in that they are scrunched a little to fit the sticker. They still match the handwriting of the questionable on card autographs, however.

I have few of his 2018 Panini Contenders On-card Autos. Yes, zonal proportion (and may be non-loopy L) match his IP auto but none of those 2018 Panini Contenders Autos have a "u" similar to his IP auto where u looks like n or i.

Also this one has an auto with an upward slant

2018 Luka Doncic Panini Dominion RC #159 Jersey Auto Gold #02/10 by pcp trade, on Flickr


This one has a downward slant

2018-19 Luka Doncic Panini Contenders RC #122 Playoff Ticket #36 of 65 by pcp trade, on Flickr

2018-19 Luka Doncic Donruss Optic Signature Series RC Black Gold Prizm Auto #6/8 by pcp trade, on Flickr

Appears it is the same person who signed both. Now I have to find a 2018 Sticker auto with an upward slant

[tier1dc]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Cant stop, wont stop...

Sorry about the photos. I post through tapatalk and dont know how to resize.

So rogermaris you really think this doesnt look l u l u like? C'mon man, who's really being willfully ignorant if you dont see it.

you.

you're just gaslighting yourself at this point. whatever makes you feel better.

And people are saying Im in denial. WAKE UP PEOPLE!! Either his mom signed one card and then Luka signed the next one considering the card to the right is scribbly style... or he signs all of his autos. That simple.

no