2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Not back on track.
Still on track, only now for victory laps.

I don't know why I'm doing this but I'm curious.

JD, is there something you want out of the next four years policy wise? Or is the lap simply getting rid of Trump and that's all you were in for?

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I don't know why I'm doing this but I'm curious.

JD, is there something you want out of the next four years policy wise? Or is the lap simply getting rid of Trump and that's all you were in for?

I think he left... Was hoping to see the answer to Firerunner and this one too

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

I think he left... Was hoping to see the answer to Firerunner and this one too

I know some people don't care about policy as much as I do; still I'm curious to know from the posters here that are on the left, what single policy they hope Joe Biden will enact/change in his tenure.

Haven't really herd much about that.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Is this just spite or do you have a reason? Do you think they prevent competition by owning them?

I don't care too much about the stain that is social media as a whole. I'm of the belief that we're all better off without it.

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I'm starting to get the feeling that you simply want to see people reduced to ash.

You're feelings clearly are important. To me.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I know some people don't care about policy as much as I do; still I'm curious to know from the posters here that are on the left, what single policy they hope Joe Biden will enact/change in his tenure.

Haven't really herd much about that.

I am very curious also. It doesn't get talked about enough IMO, seems like mostly what I hear is not Trump, he says things that are nice or at least not yelling or degrading, etc. but what not much about policy.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Firerunner4

Can you please show me where I disparaged anyone who committed suicide or talked badly about mental health? I will wait

No crocodile tears from me, I’m simply stating something that I’ve directly experienced as a by product from these pathetic lockdowns. They’re doing far more harm than good. That is all I’m saying

You are correct, I’ve worked for 13 years in this job, and 17 years overall in emergency services because I don’t like helping people. You got me. I’ve been inconvenienced for almost two decades because I’m so selfish.

So you say, but you'd rather people get sick and die in mass amounts rather than taking effective temporary precautionary measures, as evidenced here by your spiteful dismissal of them.
Whatever.

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Sorry to hear it. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone brought up me taking a couple day time out from the thread...

What can I say?
I'm a gifted mimic.

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I don't know why I'm doing this but I'm curious.

JD, is there something you want out of the next four years policy wise? Or is the lap simply getting rid of Trump and that's all you were in for?

Obviously, every single decree Trump made should be undone on Biden's day one. Joe owes 81 million people that much just to begin with. After that, what should follow is the renewal, continuation, and expansion of virtually every Obama era policy. If that wasn't what the large and clear majority of the electorate wanted, Biden wouldn't have won. Among the easiest things in the politics to do in this country is to re-elect an incumbent President.

Donald Trump, a singularly terrible person by any measure, had a real opportunity to be the worst President in American history. He succeeded beyond our wildest nightmares, and thanks to his coda being an extraordinary display of sore loser-ism (naturally), the malady lingers ever on.

[chezball]

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by chezball

All that from one Trump fart?
What'd he eat?

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

I think he left... Was hoping to see the answer to Firerunner and this one too

I aim to please, and my aim is true.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by jdandns

So you say, but you'd rather people get sick and die in mass amounts rather than taking effective temporary precautionary measures, as evidenced here by your spiteful dismissal of them.
Whatever.



What can I say?
I'm a gifted mimic.



Obviously, every single decree Trump made should be undone on Biden's day one. Joe owes 81 million people that much just to begin with. After that, what should follow is the renewal, continuation, and expansion of virtually every Obama era policy. If that wasn't what the large and clear majority of the electorate wanted, Biden wouldn't have won. Among the easiest things in the politics to do in this country is to re-elect an incumbent President.

Donald Trump, a singularly terrible person by any measure, had a real opportunity to be the worst President in American history. He succeeded beyond our wildest nightmares, and thanks to his coda being an extraordinary display of sore loser-ism (naturally), the malady lingers ever on.

Who is dismissing the ones that have/are suffering with Covid? Is there something we are missing here??

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Obviously, every single decree Trump made should be undone on Biden's day one. Joe owes 81 million people that much just to begin with. After that, what should follow is the renewal, continuation, and expansion of virtually every Obama era policy. If that wasn't what the large and clear majority of the electorate wanted, Biden wouldn't have won. Among the easiest things in the politics to do in this country is to re-elect an incumbent President.

That's ironic because Obama and Trump's border policies are fairly similar and same with oil dependency. It's funny because if Trump went around saying he supported a green deal and open borders, you wouldn't believe it. But we seem to forget that didn't happen in an Obama administration either.

[rman112]

I love this. Guy that works as a 911 operator gets chided for not caring about people.

[Firerunner4]

Originally Posted by jdandns

So you say, but you'd rather people get sick and die in mass amounts rather than taking effective temporary precautionary measures, as evidenced here by your spiteful dismissal of them.
Whatever.

You have failed to answer or acknowledge any of my points raised about your prior accusations regarding me, instead you just change the subject again and once again assume things

You are ridiculous

[chezball]

Originally Posted by Firerunner4

You have failed to answer or acknowledge any of my points raised about your prior accusations regarding me, instead you just change the subject again and once again assume things

You are ridiculous

Put him on ignore and be done with the clown.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by rman112

I love this. Guy that works as a 911 operator gets chided for not caring about people.

Ive seen some interesting posts and attacks but i think this one is over the top. And anytime asked about by the accused or anyone else there is no answer or dodging with some smart comment. Really has a bad look if you ask me

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Ive seen some interesting posts and attacks but i think this one is over the top. And anytime asked about by the accused or anyone else there is no answer or dodging with some smart comment. Really has a bad look if you ask me

You're sticking up for a guy who couldn't go one post without saying something that revealed mere inconvenience to him is worse than the increased deaths that would occur without these temporary preventative measures being put in place. He's unsuited for his job, hopefully just burned out, and not that way from the start.

Speaking of which:

Originally Posted by mike1498

That's ironic because Obama and Trump's border policies are fairly similar and same with oil dependency. It's funny because if Trump went around saying he supported a green deal and open borders, you wouldn't believe it. But we seem to forget that didn't happen in an Obama administration either.

Nor will it happen with Biden. He's not Progressive, but he won't be openly hostile to the ideas within the GND, and will absolutely work to adopt some. There also won't be any of that "Defund The Police" stuff from Biden either, just a lot of reforms, which he's promised, and already made hires towards. Trump knew nothing, and knows nothing. Trump's border policy was crafted by Stephen Miller, a wretched sadist. It won't be anymore. Win, win, whatever the new policy is. Grotesquely unqualified profiteer Betsy DeVos will no longer have any say in how children are educated. Biden's choice for the job will be popular and effective.

Originally Posted by chezball

Put him on ignore and be done with the clown.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by jdandns

You're sticking up for a guy who couldn't go one post without saying something that revealed mere inconvenience to him is worse than the increased deaths that would occur without these temporary preventative measures being put in place. He's unsuited for his job, hopefully just burned out, and not that way from the start.

Speaking of which:



Nor will it happen with Biden. He's not Progressive, but he won't be openly hostile to the ideas within the GND, and will absolutely work to adopt some. There also won't be any of that "Defund The Police" stuff from Biden either, just a lot of reforms, which he's promised, and already made hires towards. Trump's border policy was crafted by Stephen Miller, a wretched sadist. It won't be anymore. Win, win, whatever the new policy is. Grotesquely unqualified profiteer Betsy DeVos will no longer have any say in how children are educated. Biden's choice for the job will be popular and effective.

Again you wont answer any questions where did he say anything about inconvenience to him or anything? Why won't you answer him directly? What's your beef? Im sorry until you can answer questions or something i am going to say it just looks like a petty attack for some unknown reason.

[Firerunner4]

Originally Posted by jdandns

You're sticking up for a guy who couldn't go one post without saying something that revealed mere inconvenience to him is worse than the increased deaths that would occur without these temporary preventative measures being put in place. He's unsuited for his job, hopefully just burned out, and not that way from the start.

What are you talking about? What’s an inconvenience to me?

I truly have no idea where you’re going with this

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Firerunner4

What are you talking about? What’s an inconvenience to me?

I truly have no idea where you’re going with this

Don't worry he wont answer he will make fun of me for sticking up for you or something like that.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Again you wont answer any questions where did he say anything about inconvenience to him or anything? Why won't you answer him directly? What's your beef? Im sorry until you can answer questions or something i am going to say it just looks like a petty attack for some unknown reason.

I keep answering and you keep saying I'm not answering.
It's not a "beef" per se, but our differences were woven into his answer tonight, specifically, and throughout his posts over the years. I'm not attacking anyone. It's my opinion of him. I could be wrong.

Even earlier, with Chapmans, I understand we disagree fundamentally on a great many things. I don't expect to find much common ground with him, and we normally both go about our business, without much to say to each other.

I operate on a "I do the best I can to know for sure, but understand I won't always be certain" basis whereas he's so sure he's right about the first thing that pops into his head, he'll simply post it, emphatically, even though some of these declarative statements, uttered with great panache and certainty, can be easily proven objectively incorrect. At that point, we may clash some, as outright falsehoods delivered in a blowhard manner are a pet peeve of mine, but hopefully, both of us learn to be more precise and accurate with our posts where those things are called for, so the exchange will have been worth it, even if no "minds are changed".

I have a high regard for people who try to communicate their ideas with scrupulous veracity, using carefully-chosen words so as to not hinder translation. It's an art form, slowly vanishing, so I try to nurture it where I see it. Believe me, if I'm talking to you, even if it's not particularly pleasant, I don't hate you. We just disagree, but my mind can change with new information added or old information updated. It happens all the time.

I offer a resource for those who will use it. If you can argue something contrary to my own beliefs and I'm unable to say anything back, you're on the right track.

[Firerunner4]

Originally Posted by jdandns

I keep answering and you keep saying I'm not answering.
It's not a "beef" per se, but our differences were woven into his answer tonight, specifically, and throughout his posts over the years. I'm not attacking anyone. It's my opinion of him. I could be wrong.

You literally have not answered anything?

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Firerunner4

You literally have not answered anything?

I answered, you just don't like the answer.
Here it is again.

Originally Posted by Firerunner4

Can you please show me where I disparaged anyone who committed suicide or talked badly about mental health? I will wait

No crocodile tears from me, I’m simply stating something that I’ve directly experienced as a by product from these pathetic lockdowns. They’re doing far more harm than good. That is all I’m saying

You are correct, I’ve worked for 13 years in this job, and 17 years overall in emergency services because I don’t like helping people. You got me. I’ve been inconvenienced for almost two decades because I’m so selfish.

The bolded above is a particularly disturbing opinion formed by someone who works in emergency services, ostensibly to help people as you claim.

As far as examples of you callously disparaging "weakness", I'm not crawling through your wreckage of an account to find them. Anyone who cares (not likely, anyway) can just take my word for it. The total disassembly of Chapmans' lie you all witnessed earlier should vouch well enough for me that one can safely do so.

[rman112]

Lmao!

[Firerunner4]

Originally Posted by jdandns

I answered, you just don't like the answer.
Here it is again.



The bolded above is a particularly disturbing opinion formed by someone who works in emergency services, ostensibly to help people as you claim.

As far as examples of you callously disparaging "weakness", I'm not crawling through your wreckage of an account to find them. Anyone who cares (not likely, anyway) can just take my word for it. The total disassembly of Chapmans' lie you all witnessed earlier should vouch well enough for me that one can safely do so.

I think you have me confused for someone else. I only have 25 posts in this thread since it was created and nothing Ive ever posted “callously disparages weakness” like you say. Out of my 25 posts, before tonight only 1 of them was about COVID. I honestly have no idea what you are referring to in regards to my “callous disparage of weakness”.

I stated my opinion, formed by experiences I have every single night at work. Yes, I do think lockdowns are doing more harm than good, and yes I do think another lockdown is pathetic. That opinion has absolutely nothing to do with me helping people or the care I provide to people I interact with on a nightly basis.

Shutting entire industries down, putting people out of work with almost no assistance or recourse to help themselves or their families, making rules for some that don’t apply to others. THAT is pathetic

You either take care of people and pay them to stay home so they could provide for their families and do a real lockdown, or you open everything back up and let it be a personal choice if you want to go out, etc. This in between teetering is detrimental to society

You can sit in your nice cushy home, in the morning I go home to my house and my family that I’m fortunate to have. People like us are lucky, it’s very easy for us to be okay with lockdowns like you are. However, unless you interact with people from the communities that are being crippled because they’re not as fortunate as you and I, don’t tell me my opinion isn’t valid, or that it is disturbing.

You know nothing about me, or my work ethic, or my empathy for people I deal with every single day.

[Firerunner4]

And no, you never answered

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by jdandns

That's it! I'm done. I'm quitting the thread! For good, too!
I mean it!

You seriously should after being called out by NeedChapmans and Firerunner4.