2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[chezball]

Originally Posted by cnewby

baby biden in trouble.

and it leads up to the "big guy" AKA nursing home joe.

[NeedChapmans]

Wait a minute.

You mean to tell me Hunter Biden is under current investigation (for two years mind you) for fraud, money laundering and tax evasion, and the narrative from the Media going into the election was that this was a Russian disinformation campaign?

Color me shocked. Shocked I tell you! Why it's almost as if it was a concerted effort not to even bother looking into the story because of what might happen as a result!

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

People are also leaving because of high taxes.....in part to fund dead beat states.

I am not accurate on the numbers but you’ll get the gist...for every $1.50 that NY gives the government, they get back a dollar. For every $.75 that Kentucky gives the government, they get $1.25 back. Can that be defined as.....socialism? Dun dun dunnnnnnn

Leaving because of high state taxes not federal taxes.
Eight states pay more in federal taxes than they receive. Oh, and California isn't one of those states. Most are in the Northeast part of the country. I was surprised that Nebraska was one of the states. Some of the variables of how money is taken and given are social security and Medicare so it's not a shock that some states take more than they give because places like Florida and my state, Iowa, have extremely large elderly percentage of citizens compared to states like New York or California.
Those damn deadbeats.
It's also not a surprise that states with wealthier higher paid citizens are taxed higher and contribute more in federal taxes.
Your $1.50 for every dollar figure is way off by the way. I think the worst is .74 for every dollar and that's not New York. I can't remember off the top of my head but I think it was Connecticut.
Here's a couple links showing as you so eloquently put the deadbeat states hat spend the most on welfare.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/st...ients-by-state

https://www.foxbusiness.com/features...ost-on-welfare

Personally I hate the state by state Red versus Blue comparisons because we don't know what percentage of Red or Blue is using welfare and or foodstamps in any particular state.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Martial law. Trump becomes king. Get your plywood. Haven’t you been paying attention?

Originally Posted by chezball

You forgot the Insurrection Act.

Omg that would be fun! Free TVs!!!! Wooooooo.

I envision a mob of toothless paintballers running down the street, trying to get away from the Crips or Vice Lords or whoever, completely defenseless in the real world and wondering why all that training isn't helping. Maybe they'll be smart enough to stay out in the woods with all their MRE stashes, but probably not.

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[burke23]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Wait a minute.

You mean to tell me Hunter Biden is under current investigation (for two years mind you) for fraud, money laundering and tax evasion, and the narrative from the Media going into the election was that this was a Russian disinformation campaign?

Color me shocked. Shocked I tell you! Why it's almost as if it was a concerted effort not to even bother looking into the story because of what might happen as a result!

Obviously there was an investigation before the laptop popped up that wasn’t known about.. I haven’t heard of that being called out as Russian disinformation, but I don’t read all of the news sources out there. But if you feel like some random computer repair shop guy going straight to Rudy and the FBI with this smoking gun laptop right before the election isn’t a little suspicious not sure what to will you. As far as I read that’s where the media was trying to pump the breaks on just gobbling down that narrative. Haven’t heard anything recently on that as to whether additional verification/ validation has been done.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

While we talk about about the "Biden Crime Family"....



Roger Stone, Trump's longtime friend and adviser, was convicted of lying under oath to lawmakers investigating Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election. A Washington jury in November 2019 convicted Stone on all seven criminal counts of obstruction of a congressional investigation, five counts of making false statements to Congress, and tampering with a witness. The day before Stone was due to report to prison to begin serving a sentence of three years and four months, Trump commuted his sentence.



Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort was found guilty of tax fraud and bank fraud in a jury trial in August 2018. A month later, he pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges related to money laundering, lobbying violations and witness tampering. Prosecutors said he tried to conceal millions of dollars he was paid as a political consultant for pro-Russian Ukrainian politicians. He was sentenced to seven-and-a-half years in prison and in May was released to finish his sentence at home due to the coronavirus pandemic.



Trump's former personal lawyer Michael Cohen is serving a three-year prison sentence at home due to the coronavirus pandemic. He pleaded guilty in August 2018 to crimes including orchestrating 'hush money' payments before the 2016 election to women who had said they had sexual encounters with Trump. Cohen also pleaded guilty in November 2018 to lying to Congress about negotiations concerning a proposed Trump Tower in Moscow, a project that never materialized. He said Trump implicitly directed him to lie about the project.



The retired Army lieutenant general Michael Flynn served as Trump's national security adviser for less than a month in 2017. He pleaded guilty that year to lying to the FBI about his interactions with Russia's ambassador to the United States in the weeks before Trump took office.



The former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulus was sentenced in September 2018 to 14 days in prison after pleading guilty in October 2017 to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials and a Maltese professor who told him the Russians had "dirt" on Clinton.



The former deputy chairman of Trump's campaign Rick Gates pleaded guilty in February 2018 to conspiracy against the United States and lying to investigators. Gates agreed to cooperate with former Special Counsel Robert Mueller on the investigation into Russian interference and testified as a prosecution witness against Manafort, his former business partner, and Stone. Gates was sentenced in December 2019 to 45 days in jail.

Still no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia much to your disappointment.

https://www.americanbar.org/news/aba...investigation/

From the article linked....

The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”

So much time and tax dollars wasted on that witch hunt.

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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by burke23

Obviously there was an investigation before the laptop popped up that wasn’t known about.. I haven’t heard of that being called out as Russian disinformation, but I don’t read all of the news sources out there. But if you feel like some random computer repair shop guy going straight to Rudy and the FBI with this smoking gun laptop right before the election isn’t a little suspicious not sure what to will you. As far as I read that’s where the media was trying to pump the breaks on just gobbling down that narrative. Haven’t heard anything recently on that as to whether additional verification/ validation has been done.

Well the laptop, if I'm not mistaken, is in the hands of the FBI so I'm assuming we'll learn more as time goes on.
Sure is funny how this news was ignored by most of the MSM until now when the election is over.

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[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Well the laptop, if I'm not mistaken, is in the hands of the FBI so I'm assuming we'll learn more as time goes on.
Sure is funny how this news was ignored by most if the MSM until now when the election is over.

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And it was blown off as Russian Disinformation as NC pointed out

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...disinfo-430276

If you'd like to see more just google

hunter biden russian disinformation

Several more where this came from.

And it was still the narrative that was pushed even after the DOJ said they didn't believe it to be Russian based.

[HeadstrongRSS]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Well the laptop, if I'm not mistaken, is in the hands of the FBI so I'm assuming we'll learn more as time goes on.
Sure is funny how this news was ignored by most if the MSM until now when the election is over.

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I find that fantastic - not letting another Hillary email type of thing happen. Such curious timing on when these stories break, laptops are somehow "found" right before an election. Plan foiled. Biden is your president.

[burke23]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Well the laptop, if I'm not mistaken, is in the hands of the FBI so I'm assuming we'll learn more as time goes on.
Sure is funny how this news was ignored by most if the MSM until now when the election is over.

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Yep - aware the fbi has it, and assume as well more will come out in due time. So is the disappointment that the msm took some precaution here and didn’t just pawn off the laptop and everything on it as factual proof of his illicit activities? Hunter very well may be guilty - I have no idea. But I would be skeptical of someone (staunch Trump reporter at that) giving Rudy a laptop that Hunter just left behind at a repair shop what, months or a year earlier? And the laptop just happened to have all of this random damaging details?

And in the end, wtf cares about Hunter? Still hasn’t seen why he matters.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

I find that fantastic - not letting another Hillary email type of thing happen. Such curious timing on when these stories break, laptops are somehow "found" right before an election. Plan foiled. Biden is your president.

I don't think comparing this and the Hillary emails is a fair comparison. What if the FBI does find more as they are investigating, regardless of the timing if there was something criminal going on and Joe Biden was tied to it, it's absolutely wrong that it was ignored.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by burke23

Yep - aware the fbi has it, and assume as well more will come out in due time. So is the disappointment that the msm took some precaution here and didn’t just pawn off the laptop and everything on it as factual proof of his illicit activities? Hunter very well may be guilty - I have no idea. But I would be skeptical of someone (staunch Trump reporter at that) giving Rudy a laptop that Hunter just left behind at a repair shop what, months or a year earlier? And the laptop just happened to have all of this random damaging details?

And in the end, wtf cares about Hunter? Still hasn’t seen why he matters.

I think the disappointment is that they completely blew it off even though they knew it was being investigated and that the FBI had the computer. Regardless of some of the weird circumstances around it

[thenwhatjk]

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Still no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia much to your disappointment.

https://www.americanbar.org/news/aba...investigation/

From the article linked....

The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”

So much time and tax dollars wasted on that witch hunt.

Why would anybody be disappointed by that now?

The election is over. There is no longer a need to oust Trump. He has been shunned and disgraced by the Real Silent Majority, who came out en masse to flip him the bird. Nothing that happened prior to that remains relevant now.

It'd be like being ticked off about behind behind at halftime even after winning the game. Yet Trumpers still say "but...but...we were ahead at halftime!". Haha yes, yes you were. How'd that work out for ya?

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[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

Ok, show me one conservative outlet pointing to any sort of recognition that the black experience issues being brought up by an entire race of people in the US are real and are valid. Try me.

Originally Posted by Clark

Entire race? I doubt it. I can link video after video that rejects your victimhood narrative.

The woke uproar fizzled out real quick. Never forget: stay outraged.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by burke23

Yep - aware the fbi has it, and assume as well more will come out in due time. So is the disappointment that the msm took some precaution here and didn’t just pawn off the laptop and everything on it as factual proof of his illicit activities? Hunter very well may be guilty - I have no idea. But I would be skeptical of someone (staunch Trump reporter at that) giving Rudy a laptop that Hunter just left behind at a repair shop what, months or a year earlier? And the laptop just happened to have all of this random damaging details?

And in the end, wtf cares about Hunter? Still hasn’t seen why he matters.

Ahahahahaha

I was told by the media that a republican president urinated on models in a Russian hotel room. "Precaution" exists only when it needs to for your team.

Red team has people familiar with thinking of ex girlfriends brothers son-in-law dropping weekly bombshells.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by burke23

Yep - aware the fbi has it, and assume as well more will come out in due time. So is the disappointment that the msm took some precaution here and didn’t just pawn off the laptop and everything on it as factual proof of his illicit activities? Hunter very well may be guilty - I have no idea. But I would be skeptical of someone (staunch Trump reporter at that) giving Rudy a laptop that Hunter just left behind at a repair shop what, months or a year earlier? And the laptop just happened to have all of this random damaging details?



And in the end, wtf cares about Hunter? Still hasn’t seen why he matters.

Oh come on. If you switched the name Donald Trump Jr. For Hunter Biden you'd be singing a different tune.
Something tells me you know very little about Hunter Biden, his past, and his dealings with Ukraine and China.
If you did and you still feel like "who the F cares" then there's no point in continuing this conversation as it would be obvious your blinded by partisan politics.

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[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Wait a minute.

You mean to tell me Hunter Biden is under current investigation (for two years mind you) for fraud, money laundering and tax evasion, and the narrative from the Media going into the election was that this was a Russian disinformation campaign?

Color me shocked. Shocked I tell you! Why it's almost as if it was a concerted effort not to even bother looking into the story because of what might happen as a result!

Oh wait, Trump was up for impeachment due to foreign affairs mid term? Oh, tell me more. Bribery, High crimes, money laundering. Majority of the high ranking officials can be grouped together at this point

https://www.npr.org/2020/02/08/80380...dministered-it

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Why would anybody be disappointed by that now?

The election is over. There is no longer a need to oust Trump. He has been shunned and disgraced by the Real Silent Majority, who came out en masse to flip him the bird. Nothing that happened prior to that remains relevant now.

It'd be like being ticked off about behind behind at halftime even after winning the game. Yet Trumpers still say "but...but...we were ahead at halftime!". Haha yes, yes you were. How'd that work out for ya?

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Well the reason the poster I quoted would be disappointed is because more than once he's insinuated that collusion was proven and he's wrong.
Most people are disappointed when proven wrong. I understand this concept is foreign to someone like you who rarely, if ever, admits to being wrong even after being proven wrong so many times.

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by tennelson55

Oh wait, Trump was up for impeachment due to foreign affairs mid term? Oh, tell me more. Bribery, High crimes, money laundering. Majority of the high ranking officials can be grouped together at this point

https://www.npr.org/2020/02/08/80380...dministered-it

You didnt know this? I dont understand.

[thenwhatjk]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Oh come on. If you switched the name Donald Trump Jr. For Hunter Biden you'd be singing a different tune.
Something tells me you know very little about Hunter Biden, his past, and his dealings with Ukraine and China.
If you did and you still feel like "who the F cares" then there's no point in continuing this conversation as it would be obvious your blinded by partisan politics.

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Unlike Astros19 who definitely would be singing the exact same tune in the exact same key at the exact same tempo with the exact same instrumentation if it were trump jr or hunter

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Wait a minute.

You mean to tell me Hunter Biden is under current investigation (for two years mind you) for fraud, money laundering and tax evasion, and the narrative from the Media going into the election was that this was a Russian disinformation campaign?

Color me shocked. Shocked I tell you! Why it's almost as if it was a concerted effort not to even bother looking into the story because of what might happen as a result!

Well, yeah. That's the policy of the FBI. They went into covert mode during the election. That's how they do things. The FBI isn't supposed to influence elections by openly conducting investigations during an election into a family member of a candidate. It's not that they weren't investigating, it's that they made a concerted effort to keep it from the public, as they should.



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[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You didnt know this? I dont understand.

I just can't move past the egotism Trump shows in front of others with no brain behind the decision he makes. He throws people under the bus; but for what point, I don't know.

My point is Trump lost the election and he's stalling it out. Just take it like a man, have some composure like any other president has showed, and walk out.
Trump can't do it and it's shown during his presidential term.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

Unlike Astros19 who definitely would be singing the exact same tune in the exact same key at the exact same tempo with the exact same instrumentation if it were trump jr or hunter

There is no doubt that both left and right wing have their PR teams working round the clock to minimize/maximize the damage done from media reports, stories, investigations etc. But the issue here is that the media only feeds us the information they want to; not the truth. And theres a reason 98% of political donations end up in Dems hands from this institution.

There was a time when information was presented, with a slant depending where it came from. Today, the information is being supressed and were being told what a class of people think we should know.

Thats terrible.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by tennelson55

I just can't move past the egotism Trump shows in front of others with no brain behind the decision he makes. He throws people under the bus; but for what point, I don't know.

My point is Trump lost the election and he's stalling it out. Just take it like a man, have some composure like any other president has showed, and walk out.
Trump can't do it and it's shown during his presidential term.

I agree w/ u that Trump is a big fat baby sore loser but Im not sure how that ties into the Hunter point.