Wander Franco Rookie Card Debate (2021 Bowman's Best vs. 2022 RC logo cards) - Page 267

MiamiMarlinsFan · 03-15-2023, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by whitmm

I never said they've never made mistakes. I have no clue where you came up with that idea.

In this specific situation, I believe Topps screwed up, but I don't believe it was by mistake.

Not trying to put words in your mouth, that’s why I said “if”. Everyone has their own take on this. Anyone one of the possibilities could be true from what we know right now.

StateEx · 03-15-2023, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by whitmm

Which was a really poor decision on their part, at least for Wander. Taking out Fanatics buying them, Topps wasn't losing the license until after the 2022 season, meaning they were going to have Wander's rookie year regardless. And Fanatics buying them happened right at the start of 2022, so the executives should have known what the plan was in terms of knowing that Fanatics was keeping everyone on within Topps. That's not something that you drop as a surprise when the deal is done

There would have been plenty of people at Topps with reason to dislike Fanatics (whether they knew about the acquisition or not) because of the loss of the MLB/MLBPA licenses and the resultant cancellation of the company's attempt to go public.

whitmm · 03-15-2023, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

You'll never convince anyone who's equating 21BB with run-of-the-mill QC issues.

I know. It's almost as good as the people who were trying to say that Topps had to hire a bunch of temp workers, that seemingly were only hired to create this one specific set.

IMO, there's just too many things that had to happen for it to be an "oops."

OhioLawyerF5 · 03-15-2023, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

I can't wait to pick up some Wander "RC" Stadium Club Chrome cards at the end of this month...22 months after his debut.

You should go pick up a Ryne Sandberg rookie. It would fit perfectly in your collection as it came out longer after his debut than the Wander flagship rookie.

towerymt · 03-15-2023, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

I can't wait to pick up some Wander "RC" Stadium Club Chrome cards at the end of this month...22 months after his debut.

Where did we settle on Mike Tauchman RC cards, 2018 Update RC or 2019 Update RC? Debut June 27, 2017. That '19 Update RC is going to be tuff to beat. 27+ months.

SupermanBrandon · 03-15-2023, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by towerymt

Where did we settle on Mike Tauchman RC cards, 2018 Update RC or 2019 Update RC? Debut June 27, 2017. That '19 Update RC is going to be tuff to beat. 27+ months.

It's listed as a RC...rookie card it is

towerymt · 03-15-2023, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

It's listed as a RC...rookie card it is

You can't fight city hall. Whats done is done.

OhioLawyerF5 · 03-15-2023, 01:41 PM

Beckett says Babe Ruth's RC was in 1933 Goudey. That was a little bit after his debut, I think.

https://www.beckett.com/grading/set_match/3552143

But if Beckett says it, it must be true.

MiamiMarlinsFan · 03-15-2023, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

OOOOOhhhh. 23 month after debut "RCs"? Where do I sign up? Topps loves us.

I share your frustration on this, but I do think Topps/Fanatics is forcing to have to view the number in a release, like “2023 Bowman’s Best”, as a numerical sequence rather than the year it was released in. I don’t like it, but they seem incapable of releasing all their annual products within a 12 months calendar year.

towerymt · 03-15-2023, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Beckett says Babe Ruth's RC was in 1933 Goudey. That was a little bit after his debut, I think.

https://www.beckett.com/grading/set_match/3552143

But if Beckett says it, it must be true.

Ah, now this makes sense

https://ebay.com/itm/394511792900

SupermanBrandon · 03-15-2023, 01:52 PM

Which corporations definition should we follow in our hobby?

OhioLawyerF5 · 03-15-2023, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Which corporations definition should we follow in our hobby?

How about none of them?

SupermanBrandon · 03-15-2023, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

How about none of them?

So if I say, Wander BB21 is the rookie...then it is, because nobody can tell me how to collect, what I should collect or how I should feel about cards?

OhioLawyerF5 · 03-15-2023, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

So if I say, Wander BB21 is the rookie...then it is, because nobody can tell me how to collect, what I should collect or how I should feel about cards?

As long as I can say Wander's 2019 Bowman is his rookie card and no one can tell me how to collect or how I should feel about cards. I absolutely agree with that.

ThoseBackPages · 03-15-2023, 02:06 PM

ban the RC Logo

towerymt · 03-15-2023, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

ban the RC Logo

Commissioning a piece from Tim Carroll as we speak....Topps RC logo made from cut RC logos only. No shortage of them these days

ThoseBackPages · 03-15-2023, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by towerymt

Commissioning a piece from Tim Carroll as we speak....Topps RC logo made from cut RC logos only. No shortage of them these days

oh poop. that is genius

Pacmeyer · 03-15-2023, 04:03 PM

Genius would be Topps making RC-fractor... instant sell out at $500 per one pack box

ThoseBackPages · 03-15-2023, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

Genius would be Topps making RC-fractor... instant sell out at $500 per one pack box

haha #ThanksTopps

MiamiMarlinsFan · 03-15-2023, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

Genius would be Topps making RC-fractor... instant sell out at $500 per one pack box

You just got some Topps intern promoted…

cardsin47 · 03-15-2023, 04:57 PM

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zworykin · 03-15-2023, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cardsin47

Maybe I’m still not getting it? Who here says the card without the RC logo from 2021 (top Card ) is the Rookie Card, and the card with RC logo from 2022 isn’t the Rookie Card????
( and why / how )

Lots of people, and it's pretty ridiculous to ask for people to rehash the argument because you can't be bothered to go back and read for yourself.

The Beckett article lays it out pretty succinctly, though.

cardsin47 · 03-15-2023, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by zworykin

ridiculous to ask for people to rehash the argument because you can't be bothered

Question deleted - your name added to my growing list of A-holes on BO. Happy now?

Pacmeyer · 03-15-2023, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

You just got some Topps intern promoted…

Already slated as a reward for indentured slaves to Fanatics co-branded cc

eastbayak · 03-15-2023, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cardsin47

Question deleted - your name added to my growing list of A-holes on BO. Happy now?

LOL!

Not everyone can be happy, some members are just always miserable.

View Poll Results: Which Wander Franco "RC" are you planning to pick up?!
2021 Bowman's Best only	160	15.53%
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Both	175	16.99%
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03-15-2023, 01:41 PM	#6658
OhioLawyerF5 Member Join Date: Feb 2022 Posts: 7,114	Beckett says Babe Ruth's RC was in 1933 Goudey. That was a little bit after his debut, I think. https://www.beckett.com/grading/set_match/3552143 But if Beckett says it, it must be true.

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