2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[chezball]

Originally Posted by burke23

Really? So you post this as some sort of factual news without taking one minute to assess the source? Just keep flinging crap out there until something sticks?

Why check when you guys run to google and do it for me.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by chezball

Do you honestly think I GAF what you or anyone else here thinks. You've been following me around like a little puppy and it's getting creepy.

Unfortunately, you're so far gone from reality, that I truly hope there are still some that actually care about you.

You're not well.

That said, spout insane conspiracy nonsense, quote garbage, post up infantile pictures...get the attention you deserve.

When your mind gets well, I hope you're still able to enjoy the real world.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by chezball

Do you honestly think I GAF what you or anyone else here thinks. You've been following me around like a little puppy and it's getting creepy.

Toldja.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by jdandns

This chezball is a guy who liked to bring up, for years after the fact, that I wasn't allowed to post in the 2016 Political Thread, for something (remarkably minor) that didn't even happen in that thread. He liked pointing it out over and over in this thread, too, and would say that it was matter of time before it happened to me again in the 2020 thread. Well, it didn't happen to me again, because I'd learned my lesson.

It did happen to him, though. But despite being banished from this thread for months, he's now returned having learned nothing. The pure garbage he posts, including that which you highlighted, is even worse than before he got the boot.

The suggestion for him to choose to go was a courtesy, really.
He's well on the road to oblivion, as it is.
Why should the mods be put in the position to have to bounce him again?
Can he do right for once in his life?
I wouldn't bet on it, but here's his chance.
Get lost, chezzy.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

No one needs to leave the thread. Everybody needs to put their big boy/girl pants on and be ok with critical, heated debate in the midst of a completely unprecedented time. Thicker skin is needed both on liberal university campuses and when fact checking conservatives on
the internets. Back either group onto a corner and they go batty. Toughen up.

You mean TDS? No thanks.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by discostu

Unfortunately, you're so far gone from reality, that I truly hope there are still some that actually care about you.

You're not well.

That said, spout insane conspiracy nonsense, quote garbage, post up infantile pictures...get the attention you deserve.

When your mind gets well, I hope you're still able to enjoy the real world.

4:50 is where it gets good.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by rman112

Good thread.

Wait til January.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by quackhead

Wait til January.

Is that when the storm hits?

Another month and a half of stupid lawsuits, people selling themselves as patriots working to disenfranchise millions of voters, holding out hope for a unicorn rumbling through the SCOTUS...

Maybe the GOP can find their soul again.

Maybe both parties can get back to the middle and kick their fringes to the curb.

Maybe that comes in January.

[AK1982]

Originally Posted by discostu

Is that when the storm hits?

Another month and a half of stupid lawsuits, people selling themselves as patriots working to disenfranchise millions of voters, holding out hope for a unicorn rumbling through the SCOTUS...

Maybe the GOP can find their soul again.

Maybe both parties can get back to the middle and kick their fringes to the curb.

Maybe that comes in January.

Trump will win and we'll continue the progress America has made in the last 4 years.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by AK1982

Trump will win and we'll continue the progress America has made in the last 4 years.

America has already given Trump the back of its hand multiple times now. I thought it would get old, but so far it hasn't. It's kinda like watching Wile E Coyote chase the road runner. We all know how it's going to end but it's funny anyway. I look forward to the next scheme his Acme lawyers throw out there.

Maybe we'll get lucky and it'll be a huge finale show. Maybe the coyote comes up with some superduper master scheme and we get to watch the Secret Service deal with him. Ooooh that'd be awesome!

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

I actually have an idea to diffuse tensions a bit and find common ground. We really do need to somehow find a way to de-escalate within the US, myself included for sure.

So since most people have a variety of opinions, how about we try mentioning what pieces of your OWN party's platform and brand you don't agree with? Or ones on the opposite side that you do agree with. Thats tamer than going at each other.

I'll go. As a Ex Republican (Bush 2x) but current Democrat, I dont agree with the green new deal (insane fiscally) gun control (I own one, l&l as needed for protection), over-wokeness (just bad for society), or any march towards actual socialism (the squad). And not a fan of CNN. And Republicans, I like them fiscally (more responsible, generally...), I like their gun control stance (tho not really the militia, automatic rifle thing). Thats probably it right now.

My party elected Trump. Wtf were they thinking?

Seriously though, Pubs have lost me, I think. They've lost their way. Fiscal responsibility used to be important to them, or so they said. But we have only had one fiscally responsible (kind of) president in the last several decades and he was a democrat. No Pub president has shown fiscal responsibility in my lifetime.

I still think the Pub platform is better than the Dems, but truly both are disgusting to me.

In order to name a presidential election in which I was happy about the outcome, I have to go all the way back to 1984, when I was happy Reagan was reelected. All the other Pubs since then have simply been the lesser of two evils.

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[TheHeel]

Biden just won Nevada. Again.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by AK1982

Trump will win and we'll continue the progress America has made in the last 4 years.

Win what?

Tanning contests at Mar A Lago?

If you actually believe that Trump will somehow win an election that he very clearly lost, you've been had. And that's troubling.

It's troubling because of the source.

It's troubling because you'd be witnessing (and apparently hoping for) a coup.

It's troubling because of the unknown effect on believers once January 20, 2021 rolls around and the pillow cases are no longer stained at the White House.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by quackhead

Wait til January.

For the first time in...well, ever, I hope Trump doesn't go away. This has been too funny. I would love to see more of his antics, screaming about how impossible it is that he lost. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

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[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

I actually have an idea to diffuse tensions a bit and find common ground. We really do need to somehow find a way to de-escalate within the US, myself included for sure.

So since most people have a variety of opinions, how about we try mentioning what pieces of your OWN party's platform and brand you don't agree with? Or ones on the opposite side that you do agree with. Thats tamer than going at each other.

I'll go. As a Ex Republican (Bush 2x) but current Democrat, I dont agree with the green new deal (insane fiscally) gun control (I own one, l&l as needed for protection), over-wokeness (just bad for society), or any march towards actual socialism (the squad). And not a fan of CNN. And Republicans, I like them fiscally (more responsible, generally...), I like their gun control stance (tho not really the militia, automatic rifle thing). Thats probably it right now.

As I stated in previous posts, I was an Independent turned registered Democrat a few days after the 2016 election.

I agreed with the former (pre-Trump) Republican Party's Patriotism and take charge attitude. I am fine with the 2nd Amendment to the point of not having military style weapons in the hands of civilians. Any militia that is formed will not be able to compete on any level with our military.

In regards to the current day Democrats, some want change too quickly and is too far left. I believe in helping people but they also need to be given opportunity as well as working to get that help. If you're able-bodied, you need to get to work for benefits. Biden will be a solid leader because he will not go too far left but hover around the left-leaning middle, imho.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by burke23

Really? So you post this as some sort of factual news without taking one minute to assess the source? Just keep flinging crap out there until something sticks?

Drink bleach
Fine people
Covid hoax
Etc.

Context / source are irrelevant in political discussion.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

I actually have an idea to diffuse tensions a bit and find common ground. We really do need to somehow find a way to de-escalate within the US, myself included for sure.

So since most people have a variety of opinions, how about we try mentioning what pieces of your OWN party's platform and brand you don't agree with? Or ones on the opposite side that you do agree with. Thats tamer than going at each other.

I'll go. As a Ex Republican (Bush 2x) but current Democrat, I dont agree with the green new deal (insane fiscally) gun control (I own one, l&l as needed for protection), over-wokeness (just bad for society), or any march towards actual socialism (the squad). And not a fan of CNN. And Republicans, I like them fiscally (more responsible, generally...), I like their gun control stance (tho not really the militia, automatic rifle thing). Thats probably it right now.

I am not to far off. I consider myself more of an independent. Left leaning on some things ,right on other. My voting history would label me as a Democrat, really only because the Republican candidates have been really bad. I did vote for McCain in the primary back in 2000, but went Gore in the main. I also went 3rd party in 2016 (regretfully looking back even though I just couldn't pull the trigger for Hilary).

The Dems lose me with the wokeness/cancel culture and free college for everybody. I am ok with the Green New Deal in piece meal, I don't think we can break the bank and do it all at once.
The Republicans lose me with the over zealous religion, tax cuts for the wealthy, and their hate culture.

I am pro gun with a cutoff for high caliber/damage military style weapons (I am open to debate on that cut off exactly), pro military spending - give our boys the best stuff, pro universal health care, against free college, keep religion out of the government, and we do need to do stress policies for climate change like yesterday.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

I am not to far off. I consider myself more of an independent. Left leaning on some things ,right on other. My voting history would label me as a Democrat, really only because the Republican candidates have been really bad. I did vote for McCain in the primary back in 2000, but went Gore in the main. I also went 3rd party in 2016 (regretfully looking back even though I just couldn't pull the trigger for Hilary).

The Dems lose me with the wokeness/cancel culture and free college for everybody. I am ok with the Green New Deal in piece meal, I don't think we can break the bank and do it all at once.
The Republicans lose me with the over zealous religion, tax cuts for the wealthy, and their hate culture.

I am pro gun with a cutoff for high caliber/damage military style weapons (I am open to debate on that cut off exactly), pro military spending - give our boys the best stuff, pro universal health care, against free college, keep religion out of the government, and we do need to do stress policies for climate change like yesterday.

Good summary, mostly applies to me as well. Though I'm on board with free college (but only if there are strict caps/guidelines that proves someone deserves it e.g. minimum GPA, etc.) and less military spending. I'm far from abolishing military, but I'd guess that there's a LOT of fat that can be trimmed.

But man I sure am in lockstep with you about keeping religion out of government.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by mattglet

Good summary, mostly applies to me as well. Though I'm on board with free college (but only if there are strict caps/guidelines that proves someone deserves it e.g. minimum GPA, etc.) and less military spending. I'm far from abolishing military, but I'd guess that there's a LOT of fat that can be trimmed.

But man I sure am in lockstep with you about keeping religion out of government.

I could agree with free college with some of your guidelines and based on a quota system. Free college for majors that are needed like STEM majors slotted by projected shortfalls. I don't want to pay for a flood of History, Fine Arts, and Criminal Justice degrees.

[burke23]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

I could agree with free college with some of your guidelines and based on a quota system. Free college for majors that are needed like STEM majors slotted by projected shortfalls. I don't want to pay for a flood of History, Fine Arts, and Criminal Justice degrees.

As a history major I’m on board with this. The whole secondary education framework needs an overhaul. If you want to be an art major or history major that’s fine, but when someone has a focused major I don’t agree with forcing them to take all of these unrelated required courses. If they are going to require unrelated courses have them being more life-skills based. How to do personal finance, getting into things like insurance (of all sorts), learning skills like work place (not just business) communication, ethics, etc. Not a full years worth or anything but enough to hopefully push out graduates more prepped for the “real world”.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by mattglet

But man I sure am in lockstep with you about keeping religion out of government.

I've fallen into the conservative category in this thread and don't really fight it, although I consider myself more of a libertarian than anything. Religion is one area where I deviate from most conservatives. I'm 0% religious. I don't believe in spirits, afterlife, a creator, or anything of the like. I don't have any alternative theories, but also don't feel I need one. I'm comfortable living with unknowns, and if sufficient evidence of something is provided (whatever the context), then I consider it.

Anyway, is there really a problem with religion and government at this point? While I agree that the two should be separate, where do religion and government mix today in a way that needs to be corrected?

[Clark]

A message of political unity from Michigan

[NeedChapmans]

PSA.

Do not normalize authoritarianism. Do not normalize China. Do not think for one second that this could not happen here because it has happened here and there is no reason why something like this cannot happen again. When you see wrong in the world, don't be afraid to stand up and call it out; even if it does not effect you or your "class/gender/race/sex/other dumb ideological reason"

There is no such thing as thinking wrong and anyone who tells you otherwise should be laughed off the face of the earth. The 50 seconds you spend watching and feeling the video below is well worth it IMHO.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Clark

A message of political unity from Michigan

[youtube]ISXbB9pPmVw[youtube]

Is anyone here on board with this? Anyone even know what it means? What happened to the 'peace and love myaaaannn' party?

[HeadstrongRSS]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

I've fallen into the conservative category in this thread and don't really fight it, although I consider myself more of a libertarian than anything. Religion is one area where I deviate from most conservatives. I'm 0% religious. I don't believe in spirits, afterlife, a creator, or anything of the like. I don't have any alternative theories, but also don't feel I need one. I'm comfortable living with unknowns, and if sufficient evidence of something is provided (whatever the context), then I consider it.

Anyway, is there really a problem with religion and government at this point? While I agree that the two should be separate, where do religion and government mix today in a way that needs to be corrected?

I think there is a problem with religious exemptions. Meaning, if a lockdown occurs, I'm sorry - but belief in some man in the sky doesn't cut it when actions are taken that endanger the public. And republican governments can get overreaching in Christian policies like making abortion impossible for those that need it, defending planned parenthood, etc. Messing with other people's lives by making laws based on the "word of god" is quite simply, wrong.